What drums w/4.5 bolt circle?

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Longgone

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If you do the axle swap on an A-body that`s originally a 4" bolt pattern in order to get the 4.5 in. bolt pattern, what drums do you use? Can you redrill the existing drums? Can you buy a later year/model drum and install it right out of the box? What about the backing plates, can they stay?
 
Keith Mopar said:
longgone are you talking about an 8 3/4 rear?

Yeah, 1968 -8 3/4, sorry I forgot to mention that! LOL! Are the later model year drums with the 4.5" bc also deeper than the 72 and earlier drums w/4" bc?
 
Yup, they can be redrilled. Here is a picture of mine. You can get a new set of drums from rockauto.com. If you are getting new axles, have them made for the different b body spacing and get a wider set of 10" or 11" drums and backing plates, these drums are easier to find. the 10" x 1 3/4" drums are almost impossible to find. Luckily, my drums had enough meat on them to be able to turned down one last time.

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Longgone said:
Yeah, 1968 -8 3/4, sorry I forgot to mention that! LOL! Are the later model year drums with the 4.5" bc also deeper than the 72 and earlier drums w/4" bc?
Yea the other 8 3/4 drums from other cars other than A body's have a different offset. Even drums froma 8 1/4 rear wont fit. However if you go for after market axles, they have the 2.36 offset. Then you can get drums from all the 4.5 cars.
 
Keith Mopar said:
Yea the other 8 3/4 drums from other cars other than A body's have a different offset. Even drums froma 8 1/4 rear wont fit. However if you go for after market axles, they have the 2.36 offset. Then you can get drums from all the 4.5 cars.

So for example the Yukon axles would have the proper offset to use with your everyday, over the counter, 74 Duster drum? Does this mean that you must use the wider shoes from an early B or the later model A`s? Do you still have to do anything with the backing plates? Before I spend money on axles I`m trying to find out if I`m opening a can of worms. Sorry for all the questions ,but I want to do it right the first time.
 
Longgone said:
So for example the Yukon axles would have the proper offset to use with your everyday, over the counter, 74 Duster drum? Does this mean that you must use the wider shoes from an early B or the later model A`s? Do you still have to do anything with the backing plates? Before I spend money on axles I`m trying to find out if I`m opening a can of worms. Sorry for all the questions ,but I want to do it right the first time.

To put it as simply as possible:

No matter what drums you use, 10 x 2", 10 x 2.5", or 11", you must use the corresponding backing plates and parking brake levers for that size of brake.

The narrow 10" x 1 3/4" drums and plates were used on ALL A-body 8 3/4 rears. They used special small bolt (4") drums and axles, also these axles have a different space from the back of the axle flange to the backing plate than any other 8 3/4 rear. These also used the small 7/16" studs and had special parking brake levers that cleared the axles. These rears were made from 1967 to 1972, but never made in the big 4 1/2" bolt pattern.

Option 1
Other 8 3/4 axles from B & E bodies had 10" x 2 1/2" or 11" x 2 1/2" brakes. These rears used the bigger 4 1/2" bolt pattern and wider brakes, but they have a wider spring pad spacing and the rears are wider also. You can use these rears, but have to use much more backspacing in your wheels to fit within the fenders, you also have to cut the spring perches off and weld on some new ones 1/2" inboard. A soulution, but not a good one.

Option 2 the one on my Dart
You can take the 8 3/4 axle and weld the 7/16" bolt holes closed and have a machine shop redrill them for 1/2" studs in a 4 1/2" bolt pattern. Also have them drill our drums for the bigger pattern. The bad part is that these drums are getting VERY hard to find anymore. Although most people don't drive their a-bodies enough to wear out a set of drums. You can also buy a set of stronger aftermarket axles instead of having yours welded and redrilled.

Option 3
Get a set of new aftermarket axles, or have a set of b-body axles cut shorter and re-splined. Now get a set of wide 10" or 11" drums, backing plates, and parking brake levers, this would be a bolt on option. But the bad thng is, you are going to end up about an inch wider, which on some a-bodies will eat up precious fender clearance. (except Dusters, lucky bastards)

Option 4
Rear disc brakes. This will be custom, and you will need new axles because the a-body axles have a smaller center register than all other 8 3/4 axles. Your best bet would be to call SSB or Wilwood and talk to they so they can help you put together a kit that will fit.

Option 5
Chuck it all out the window and do mini-tubs, relocate the springs, and have a custom narrowed rear built.
 
Longgone, I went with the Yukon Axles and the wilwood rear disc kit with e brake. But once you have the Yukon axles you can go with every day 75 Duster rear brakes, along with matching backing plates as flyboy says.

Good work on the option chart flyboy. :thumbup:

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They even look better behind the wheels. I bolted the wheels on from my wifes Avenger for a trial fit on the front and back. The rims are 16 X 7 and have 225 50r16's on them and to my surprise they fit like a glove. I'm hoping to put 17 X 7 , on the front and 17 X 8.5 on the rear. Looks like it'll fit without a problem! No cutting and no rubbing! My car is a 65 Cuda.

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I ordered the Yukon axles w/green bearings that are cut down and resplined B- body axles. I haven`t had a chance to do anything with them yet (weather`s been crappy) but plan to this weekend. Do these axles have a different spacing from the backing plate to the back of the axle, as compared to an A-body? I`d like to use my existing drums, just have them drilled for the 4.5 bc.
 
Longgone said:
Do these axles have a different spacing from the backing plate to the back of the axle, as compared to an A-body? I`d like to use my existing drums, just have them drilled for the 4.5 bc.

You can't use your A body Drums and backing plates. You will have to use the B Body drums or drums from a 8 1/4. with the appropriate backing plates.
 
Okay, I`ve found drums and backing plates from a 68 Charger. Now, do I need the shoes and parking brake levers as well?
 
Is this what they call the snowball effect? Lol! Thanks Joe!.............Anybody have the parking brake levers for 10" B- body rear drums for sale?
 
After lots of investigation I decided the easiest and cheapest thing was to send my axles and drums to Moser Engineering where they redrilled the drums and axles and installed new 1/2 x 2" studs. Oh,.. and new bearings too. I can`t say enough about the customer service of Moser. Two thumbs way up!
 
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