mullinax95
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Ok... I'll remember to do that.
What the heck!
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Ok... I'll remember to do that.
mullinax95
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Well to update everyone I fired up the motor Tuesday. I must have done something right because there isn't one drop of oil on the floor. Drove it around the block and brought it back home. I've been checking under the car every other day and no oil... nothing.
I learned something through this. Sometimes things don't seem like what they really are. LOL
I learned something through this. Sometimes things don't seem like what they really are. LOL
fishy68
Tyr Fryr's Inc.
Good deal Mully. It's nice when it works out good like that.
waggin
moving on ain't easy if you drive a Ford :p
Glad it worked out good for ya......I knew ya could do it....
clifftt
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Right on! Good thread!
redfastback
Don't ask me... my garage is empty
:cheers::cheers::cheers: All that matters is that it is leak free and a job well done....Good job man.
mullinax95
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Thanks guys!
It feels good to accomplish something like that but I couldn't have done it without your help.
It feels good to accomplish something like that but I couldn't have done it without your help.
340 Dart
I don't know ****.
Thanks for letting us know the final outcome.
Glad it all worked out for you. 8)
Glad it all worked out for you. 8)
mullinax95
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I ran the motor for a decent time Friday night. I set the timing, adjusted the carb and the motor seems to be running much better than it ever has. The motor reached the 190 temperature another words. Moper has been helping me with getting it fine tuned and all has went well in a positive direction. I don't believe I ever had the timing and carb set as well as I do now.
But Saturday I go out and look underneath the car and there is oil on the floor. So it was fun while it lasted. I really don't know what to say. :angry7:
I pulled the dip stick that Friday night while the motor was running and could feel a fair amount of air being pushed out the dip stick tube. I have a PVC system with a breather on both valve covers. I'm just wondering if my motor is blowing out the rear main seal. The oil is coming from the rear main or oil pan seal area again. It is running down the bell housing and then dripping on the floor. I can't win with this oil leak deal at all.
But Saturday I go out and look underneath the car and there is oil on the floor. So it was fun while it lasted. I really don't know what to say. :angry7:
I pulled the dip stick that Friday night while the motor was running and could feel a fair amount of air being pushed out the dip stick tube. I have a PVC system with a breather on both valve covers. I'm just wondering if my motor is blowing out the rear main seal. The oil is coming from the rear main or oil pan seal area again. It is running down the bell housing and then dripping on the floor. I can't win with this oil leak deal at all.
clifftt
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Sorry to hear Mully, I read this thread with interest and pulling for you. I'm sure you're frustrated beyond belief.
lhearold
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Check the fitting where the oil pressure sender screws into the back of the block. Check the rear of the intake and rear of both valve covers. Always look for the simple stuff first. You say you have a PCV system with breathers in both valve covers? Should be PCV in one, breather in the other. If you are getting a lot of crankcase pressure its usually an indication of worn rings, cracked piston, etc., anything that causes the combustion gases to get from above the piston to the crankcase. With no actual PCV valve (or one set up incorrectly) you will feel some pressure in the crankcase since air is displaced by the pistons on the down stroke. But crankcase pressure will normally cause leaks while running, not when stopped.
Larry
Larry
redfastback
Don't ask me... my garage is empty
Yep check the simple stuff. Even try the dye so you can trace the leak since you have a black block and its hard to see any oil.
mullinax95
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I definitely know 100% that it isn't the intake, oil pressure sending unit and valve covers. I just reinstalled the intake before I fired the motor and used silicone on the front and back seal. Installed new valve cover gaskets (Fel pro premium type). Installed new distributor o-ring and gasket also. I see nothing but a clean block (it's actually dusty) back there and no puddling on the block contours. It is only wet around the seal area with oil running down the bell housing cover.
Only thing I know to do is to re-torque the oil pan bolts to spec and see if it tightens anymore to prevent the leak.
I just had one breather on my valve cover on the opposite side of the engine from the PVC and was told to run two. ????
It doesn't leak while the motor is running.... only after it sits over night it will leak on the floor.
I am going to let my friend/ mechanic have a go at it. He has helped me along the away with it. I haven't told him it still leaks yet but he has a lift, patience, time and I got the money to pay him. He will find it and fix it ..... or I will keep taking it back until it's fixed. LOL But seriously it will most likely be a joint effort.
I'm a little to frustrated with it right now. So the best thing I need to do is stay away from it for awhile.
I am going to buy a 96 Kawasaki ZX-6R (600cc crotch rocket) from a friend of mine. That will relieve a lot of stress from the mopar. LOL
66dartman
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Great thread, sorry she's still leaking. I have gone through the same issues and the damn thing still leaks. It's coming out over the winter and I am going to try to find a way to seal it up. Maybe it's the Milodon pans? Don't try the expensive ($60) one piece pan gasket, it didn't fix mine. Hacks me off because I too hate leaks and I see plenty of 360's that don't. Let's get this thing figured out!
fishy68
Tyr Fryr's Inc.
Also check the oil filter adapter real good. With clean oil it's hard to see where it's coming from easily. When I first put my engine together a few yrs. ago it developed a leak that look for sure like it was coming from the rear main area but after close examination I found it was running down from the oil filter adapter onto the pan in a small stream making it look like it was coming from the pan. Also whoever told you to run a breather on each side don't know what he was talking about. You always run a pcv valve on one side and one breather on the other. Nothing else. That way the pcv valve pulls a vacuum through the crankcase from one side to the other.
mullinax95
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OK!
Thanks for the motivation!
I haven't got back under there yet but when I do I will check around where the filter mounts to the block. It doesn't have a adapter unless you are talking about the oil filter plate which has a gasket behind it. I had a hard time to get that to seal. When it leaked it leaked pretty good. Right on the header. It would heat the oil up and smoke. It's not doing that. Gosh that might be the problem however .... I just can't tell with headers and other stuff in the way.
I'll chunk the other breather.
Thanks guys.
lhearold
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Is it oil or tranny fluid? You said that you ran it and didn't see any leaks for a day or two then all of a sudeen its pissing oil on the floor just sitting there (like a new Harley). A rear main seal will not leak just sitting, neither will an oil pan gasket unless you have so much oil in it that its over the rail of the pan. Plus you say its running out of the front dust cover on the bellhousing? A main seal will leak and the oil will come from down the back ot the pan or dust shield if installed but only when running, not stopped.
mullinax95
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It's oil.
I run a 4-speed trans and when I put my finger in it and smell it smells like oil.
I put in 5 qts of oil with a new short type filter. And a very small bottle of zinc additive (I can't remember the ounce). The dip stick reads full.
Think it would be ok to run a qt low just to see if that is it?
No it's running down the front bell housing not out of it.
I'll wipe everything clean and let the motor run and see if I see it coming out somewhere.
waggin
moving on ain't easy if you drive a Ford :p
starting to make me wonder if its the cam plug or an oil galley plug.sounds like the pan is good and sealed up and you have tacled the other trouble spot's
66dartman
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I pulled the 90* oil filter adapter off and re-sealed it twice (pita) to no avail. Mine also leaks on the rh side pan rail area and runs back as well. Makes those expensive coated headers look like crap. I am beginning to think I have a cracked block or something. I'll find out in a few weeks after I get the heater installed in the garage and pull it.
71Demon340
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Don't feel bad, I too have leaks and am fed up with trying to fix it. Looks like its the front or side pan seal, but can't tell for sure. It collects on my k-member and drips off and also cooks on my right side header (nice black streaks). I've taken the pan off once with motor still in the car. Almost lost my religion. Next time, I'll pull the motor, it has to be easier. Good luck, hope you get it fixed. Mine is just going to have to leak for a while. Lately, I've been working on it more than driving it. By the way, its a 340.
mullinax95
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That's exactly what I was thinking but didn't know what to call them. I new they was located on the block inside the bell housing.
I'm just about ready to say heck with and let it leak. I just need to hurry up and cover my floor with exposy so the oil will wipe up easily. LOL
cudaspaz
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Sounds like what I would just do.LOL.
Maybe some Pigmat on the underside???
I know my rear main is leaking as well on my 360.
When I pull the inspection cover, I can see the oil leaking at the back of the crank and drips down.
I may get like a dime sized spot where it sits and that is it so I think it is just residual from leaking while running.
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hmmm, this was not good news 
1. dry everything up with a cloth
2. wait some time (drive the rocket 600 for a day or so)
3. look for oil leaks
hmmm no, i dont think it could leak from the galley plugs, they seal up well, the camshaft plug is the only alternative for a leak back there. if its not the main seal or the pan agen.
u cant rly tell when its just a mess of oil.. btw the dam pvc valve that comes with the engine is crap.. the seat is always full of oil and the spring tention is always wrong.. ditch it and get a new bigger one (in most cases this are the problem, espess if the engine has a few miles and started to leak down a bit) if the check the breather to, that its not packed with dirt and oil..
ps if u get tired of waiting for the leak, u could always add a bit pressure down the dip stick tube... WARNING dont overdo it.. dont want u to blow any other seals.
1. dry everything up with a cloth
2. wait some time (drive the rocket 600 for a day or so)
3. look for oil leaks
hmmm no, i dont think it could leak from the galley plugs, they seal up well, the camshaft plug is the only alternative for a leak back there. if its not the main seal or the pan agen.
u cant rly tell when its just a mess of oil.. btw the dam pvc valve that comes with the engine is crap.. the seat is always full of oil and the spring tention is always wrong.. ditch it and get a new bigger one (in most cases this are the problem, espess if the engine has a few miles and started to leak down a bit) if the check the breather to, that its not packed with dirt and oil..
ps if u get tired of waiting for the leak, u could always add a bit pressure down the dip stick tube... WARNING dont overdo it.. dont want u to blow any other seals.
mullinax95
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It's not a bunch of oil but the size of a silver dollar. I've ran the motor twice before it leaked on the floor. The first run of the motor nothing the second run it leaked.
hmmm, this was not good news
1. dry everything up with a cloth
2. wait some time (drive the rocket 600 for a day or so)
3. look for oil leaks
hmmm no, i dont think it could leak from the galley plugs, they seal up well, the camshaft plug is the only alternative for a leak back there. if its not the main seal or the pan agen.
u cant rly tell when its just a mess of oil.. btw the dam pvc valve that comes with the engine is crap.. the seat is always full of oil and the spring tention is always wrong.. ditch it and get a new bigger one (in most cases this are the problem, espess if the engine has a few miles and started to leak down a bit) if the check the breather to, that its not packed with dirt and oil..
ps if u get tired of waiting for the leak, u could always add a bit pressure down the dip stick tube... WARNING dont overdo it.. dont want u to blow any other seals.
I haven't got the motorcycle yet but it will be here at the house soon. I've got some work to do on it but am excited to have a new toy. No matter how bad the Ninja looks it does run. I am planning on painting it the same color as my cuda (Sublime) and installing AAR Cuda strips down the side. I have some AAR Cuda strip pieces left from doing my car. The Ninja in the picture below is what it looks like with the fairings on and cleaned up. I have some fairing that are in good shape just needs painting.
The PVC valve is always full of oil.... no matter that it has a baffle in front of it (MP valve covers). The breathers get some oil but not a bunch.
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