who is in Auto Tech School?

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Princess Valiant

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Just a show of hands, who among the FABO community is a current student in a Automotive tech school?

Maybe we can help cheer you on if anything and maybe help those who are toying with idea get going.
 
Not current but a former student. Went to Wyotech in Laramie WY for "Collision Repair/Refinishing, what a joke! I am very glad to have gone on a scholarship and really feel for the friends I made that had to pay their huge student loans back for such a scam. To any young fabo members or parents, seriously look into it, its not worth the money. Most local community colleges offer nearly the same programs for MUCH less $$ with smaller class sizes and just as qualified/ often better instructors. While I did learn a bit, the school is a "for profit" and much more interested in pushing as many students through as possible than actually teaching a trade. Corinthian, the parent company is acutally under federal investigation for fraudulant claims of post education employment rates and are shutting down/selling off nearly all the campuses.
 
Went to auto mechanic school from 1974-1976 ........LOL

Hell the cars don't look the same anymore, back then you could still see the engine, knew what a tach & dwell meter was for

Open the hood now and have to wonder what is that?

Good luck to all those that are going to repair the new cars
 
My high school was also an accredited vocational school.

I did my last two years (85 and 86)- 5 of 7 periods a day in auto shop.

Kept me out of two math classes and one English class :)

They offered prep for ASE, and entry in the Plymouth Troubleshooting contest.

Also had body shop, accounting, cosmo, steno, and a few other std vo/tech programs besides regular high school. Quite the novel concept at the time.


RE: the "for profit" places-

I entertained going to ITT for electronics back in the late 80's.

I'm glad I didn't go, as I later met a couple guys who did go, and the basically said the same thing as posted above, plus they said the "employment percentage" that was given counted any graduate employed anywhere, even out of field and/or minimum wage.
 

Not current but a former student. Went to Wyotech in Laramie WY for "Collision Repair/Refinishing, what a joke! I am very glad to have gone on a scholarship and really feel for the friends I made that had to pay their huge student loans back for such a scam. To any young fabo members or parents, seriously look into it, its not worth the money. Most local community colleges offer nearly the same programs for MUCH less $$ with smaller class sizes and just as qualified/ often better instructors. While I did learn a bit, the school is a "for profit" and much more interested in pushing as many students through as possible than actually teaching a trade. Corinthian, the parent company is acutally under federal investigation for fraudulant claims of post education employment rates and are shutting down/selling off nearly all the campuses.

The best any school can prepare you for is the basics. You never really learn the trade until you get knee deep into it.

I've seen a lot of kids go through the local CC who come out thinking their **** don't stink for having gone through the program. Once they hit the shops, though, they're in for a rude awakening. Guys with years - decades - of experience take care of that attitude quickly.

The last shop I worked for one of the owners was a college educated guy. His diagnostics amounted to pulling the code and throwing parts at it and then wondering why everything came back. You can't tell me his instructor didn't teach him proper test out. Or maybe his instructor didn't. When he did do proper test out it would take him days to figure out the problem and even then, he was at such a loss for suggestions he'd turn to the internet for suggestions and then throw more parts at it. In a flat rate shop he'd lose his *** because he didn't do proper test out, yet he acted like he was the greatest technician history had ever seen.

Take for instance, an ABS issue on a Focus. Wheel speed sensor codes for both fronts. Replace the wheel speed sensors. (First clue should have been neither were reading.) Don't check to see if you have a pulse, just replace 'em. Then he reads on the internet the Focus has communication issues so next comes a module. Still no reading. Then he reads on the internet of guys putting in bearings backwards. Seems like the previous owner had non-ABS bearings put in.

All of this could have taken care of in ten minutes with a DMM instead of days of putting parts in.

But then again, this is the same kid who would bypass the relay on an AC system to get the clutch running and then fill the system with refrigerant. Don't pull a vacuum, don't put more oil the system, just blame the manufacturer for shipping you bad AC pumps.

Sorry for the rant, a little off topic, I know, but the downside for this kid was that what the college taught him was gospel and no real world experience working in the shops to actually learn how to do things.
 
Certainly got some glowing recommendations for the tech schools---NOT!

It's actually very useful info though for those considering this path. My son had actually approached me and told me he too was considering attending one of these schools, he was at that time attending the local community college and ITT was on campus for a career day and sold him a bill of goods on all the future earnings POTENTIAL. Well let's look into it son before we/you/me haha signs up and is on the hook for an awful lot of money. He had wanted to go into electronics and I had a coworker who's son had taken the same curriculum. He told me what a farce it was and after spending all that money (he didn't go the student loan route but actually paid cash) well upon graduation the guaranteed placement amounted to a job starting at minimum wage. We did some internet researching and found many familiar stories and reviews. While I was steering him towards taking on an apprentice position with a veteran electrician he ended up finding his own way and going in a completely different direction in an unrelated field and is now managing an amusement park (go figure) he's been there for years and actually does quite well for himself. He's had to learn about managing employee's, accounting, profitability , arcade repair, and staying on the cutting edge of technological advancements in arcade attractions. This isn't a podunk arcade he manages but a famous one in San Diego.

We/him/me are fortunate to not be burdened with the weight of that huge loan payback so I would advise anybody considering the ITT path to do their homework before signing the dotted line.
 
well this turned out to be a lot different than I expected but it don't actually surprise me because truth be known.....I went to and finished an automotive program and it wasn't the smoothest experience ever. The guys made it hard because the Automotive industry is still very gender biased. When I went some of the teachers and the department chair actually threw a blind to and allowed bullying and sexual harassment to happen. My only regret is I didn't speak up more. As of today the people who were the problem are all gone and the new generation of teachers and faculty are more with the newer style of doing business which is good and bad.

The only good thing I got out of it is that I had some old school teachers who knew their stuff. Teachers who were then on the brink of retirement and had been teaching for years and actually knew how to teach carburetors and older stuff that the new teachers don't even have a clue about.

without the admin B.S. the education was pretty good and I would like to think that new students coming in now will have a better time and get even more from it. But I find that these days the automotive schools are going more towards management. I have seen a few classes where they students came out knowing how to manage an auto zone but had no real practical diagnostic skills. This is especially true for the local 4 year university which has an automotive program and they are very weak with hands on wrenching and problem solving. They lack critical thinking and like said above and would be quick to replace sensors instead of critically thinking and checking the wires to the sensors or checking other systems which could cause a sensor to read incorrectly as a result of a chain reaction.

Even still, if there are any new comers who are considering going to school for automotive, should realize that there are people around who will support their endeavor and help in any way possible with experienced advice.
 
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