Z-bar and Dougs headers issue

[royalbull73]

Greetings;

I have a 72 Demon with a 340. I just installed the long tube headers from Dougs and when I went to install the Z-bar that I purchased from Mancini racing I found that it will not work. I have included a couple of photos to help with you seeing what I am dealing with. The first one is from Mancini's website. The second photo

show's the original Z-bar at the top and the one at the bottom is the one that I got from Mancini's. It looks nothing like what is on the website. I think the website Z-bar looks like it would work but it is just a guess on my part. Any of you had problems with Dougs headers and Z-bar installations? I appreciate any advise given.

 

[72bluNblu]

Doug’s won’t work with the stock Z bar. They require the same modified Z-bar as the TTI’s. You can modify that one if you can weld, or TTI sells a modified version.

 

[72bluNblu]

Here’s the modification necessary, again if you can weld you basically cut off the one arm of the Z bar, move it over to the end of the Z bar and reverse the side the stud is on. Or buy one from TTI

 

[royalbull73]

Here’s the modification necessary, again if you can weld you basically cut off the one arm of the Z bar, move it over to the end of the Z bar and reverse the side the stud is on. Or buy one from TTI

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Thanks for the reply. The one that I got from Mancini is made by TTI but the stud is for sure on the wrong side for my headers. I wish that I knew how to weld but that is one thing that I never learned to do. Will have to find someone who knows how to do it for me.

 

[72bluNblu]

Thanks for the reply. The one that I got from Mancini is made by TTI but the stud is for sure on the wrong side for my headers. I wish that I knew how to weld but that is one thing that I never learned to do. Will have to find someone who knows how to do it for me.

If you bought it recently you might just return it to Mancini and order the modified one. TTI sells the modified version, heck Mancini might too and you might be able to exchange it. Probably worth a phone call at least

 

[royalbull73]

If you bought it recently you might just return it to Mancini and order the modified one. TTI sells the modified version, heck Mancini might too and you might be able to exchange it. Probably worth a phone call at least

I have called Mancini and am waiting on a response from them. Thanks again!

 

[trapster]

did you check with brewers ?

 

[royalbull73]

did you check with brewers ?

I looked at what they have and it looks just like the stock one that I took off. The lever needs to be moved all the way out to the end of the shaft and the stud needs to face towards the block to clear the headers.

 

[canyncarvr]

Yes, this is an old thread...but it has all the questions I have...just none of the answers.

What was the resolution to this problem?

The catalog pic of the Mancini z-bar is certainly different from the TTI z-bar that is said to fit for a Doug Header install. BUT, the pic of the z-bar received from Mancini looks to be correct by the TTI modified/different pics.

Threads that end with no answers are not useful. SOMEthing is wrong with the 'facts' as listed/shown in this thread.

Any chance of the OP (or anyone for that matter) setting the record straight?

 

[72bluNblu]

Yes, this is an old thread...but it has all the questions I have...just none of the answers.

What was the resolution to this problem?

The catalog pic of the Mancini z-bar is certainly different from the TTI z-bar that is said to fit for a Doug Header install. BUT, the pic of the z-bar received from Mancini looks to be correct by the TTI modified/different pics.

Threads that end with no answers are not useful. SOMEthing is wrong with the 'facts' as listed/shown in this thread.

Any chance of the OP (or anyone for that matter) setting the record straight?

The simple fact is the TTI version of the z-bar that’s shown in my post above is what fits with both the Doug’s and the TTI headers for a small block A-body. I made those modifications and ran that z-bar in my car, this is the one I ran with my 833

I don’t know what the Mancini website picture is about, or why what they shipped doesn’t match their website.

 

[crackedback]

Yes, this is an old thread...but it has all the questions I have...just none of the answers.

What was the resolution to this problem?

The catalog pic of the Mancini z-bar is certainly different from the TTI z-bar that is said to fit for a Doug Header install. BUT, the pic of the z-bar received from Mancini looks to be correct by the TTI modified/different pics.

Threads that end with no answers are not useful. SOMEthing is wrong with the 'facts' as listed/shown in this thread.

Any chance of the OP (or anyone for that matter) setting the record straight?

The current pic on the mancini site appears to be the correct bar for tti/dougs in an A body.

The one in the OP post is a BB bar.

 

[canyncarvr]

The current pic on the mancini site appears to be the correct bar for tti/dougs in an A body.

The one in the OP post is a BB bar.

?? The actual z-bar from Mancini in the OP post looks like the z-bar from TTI shown in post 3...which is said to be the correct z-bar.

'The one in the OP post is a BB bar'...is a reference to the Mancini catalog reference pic? Or...it's a reference to the bar the OP actually got from Mancini.

See the problem?

The Mancini bar the OP received looks like the TTI bar...except the OP said it didn't fit.

 

[crackedback]

The Mancini website pic that the OP posted. That is the BB bar. Did you look at the mancini site for the CURRENT picture? That has a SB Abody z bar? Let me make it easy on you.

TTI A Engine Z-Bar

Post 3 has the correct looking bar. The one the OP received is the CORRECT bar (black one).

Even if you buy the "right" one for the A body, they sometimes need a little persuading. Just the way it is with dougs and tti headers and clutch cars.

 

[canyncarvr]

I don't read that as being what the OP said:

I looked at what they have and it looks just like the stock one that I took off. The lever needs to be moved all the way out to the end of the shaft and the stud needs to face towards the block to clear the headers.

There is no 'persuading' involved if the 'stud' is facing the wrong direction.

A possible answer to this is: 'The OP has it wrong,' ...as far as his assessment of what 'needs' to be done.

That may well be the matter...but no one said that.

 

[crackedback]

I don't read that as being what the OP said:



There is no 'persuading' involved if the 'stud' is facing the wrong direction.

A possible answer to this is: 'The OP has it wrong,' ...as far as his assessment of what 'needs' to be done.

That may well be the matter...but no one said that.

Are you working on an A body with these headers and the z bar issue?

What a waste of time.

Good luck.

 

[canyncarvr]

What a waste of time.

Yup. Getting a set of headers only to find out later I got the wrong/incorrect/no-workee Z-bar would indeed be a waste of time.

Thanks for the input(s)!

 

[72bluNblu]

Yup. Getting a set of headers only to find out later I got the wrong/incorrect/no-workee Z-bar would indeed be a waste of time.

Thanks for the input(s)!

So you revived an old thread that wasn’t resolved by the OP to argue about the original thread? The OP hasn’t been on here in 7 months.

Because if you wanted the answer to what z-bar fits the answer has been posted multiple times. And yeah, you don’t need to buy anything if you can weld, because a stock A-body z-bar is easily modified to fit by moving the clutch arm to the end of the z-bar and flipping it over.

Who gives a single flying crap what picture Mancini lists on their website then, now, or otherwise? Mancini isn’t the best place to get one anyway. What business sells you an item without telling you in advance what the shipping will cost and then goes back and adds the shipping AFTER you make your purchase?

 

[canyncarvr]

No. I revived this old thread for the exact reason I said I did. That reason is written (in English even) in post #9.

I'm not arguing with anyone.

OK. Fact is, I really revived this old thread just so you could share your point of view of Mancini Racing.

Thanks be...you came through.

 

[72bluNblu]

No. I revived this old thread for the exact reason I said I did. That reason is written (in English even) in post #9.

I'm not arguing with anyone.

OK. Fact is, I really revived this old thread just so you could share your point of view of Mancini Racing.

Thanks be...you came through.

Yeah, I read post #9, which is why in post #10 I posted a picture of a z-bar that fits a SB A-body 67-76 with TTI or Doug’s D453 headers. That’s what you need to run those headers.

What Mancini shows, what z-bar the OP received, what he actually did about it afterwards are all irrelevant. None of those answers actually change what you need to solve the problem. The OP hasn’t been here since December, so if you want to know what he did, well, send him a PM. If you want to put headers on your small block A-body, well, there’s an answer.

The Z-bar that fits is in #10, and I know that because that’s literally the one I ran in my Duster with a 340, 833, and Doug’s D453’s. Make it yourself, buy it from TTI, or hell buy it from Mancini and hope you eventually get the right one and the shipping isn’t as much as the part is.

 

[crackedback]

There is no 'persuading' involved if the 'stud' is facing the wrong direction.

Funny thing is you think the stud is facing the wrong way! Direction has ZERO to do with the persuading comment. Like a 2 year old, no matter what is said.. why? why? why? LOL

If you can't figure out the simple reason why that is manufactured that way, there is little hope you can install the right z bar with a set of headers.
Acting like these cars are built on a stock car level jig is another laughable assertion. I've seen the same set of tti/dougs headers fit absolutely perfect on one car, then taken off that car and placed in a different car, same year make model, and hit everything under the sun.

Couldn't figure out my first reply was the picture on mancinis site now is the correct bar and the one of the MANCINI site that the OP posted was wrong. DERRRRRRR

Read, understand and don't act like an ignorant argumenative tool. Off to ignore for you.