let me ask this question..... say on the dart, the vin partial is on the trunk gutter which usually rusts out, so if one replaces the gutter, wouldn't that mean you're tampering with the VIN?
Help... Vin #'s dont match
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ssba
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Absolutely not.
If that was the case you wouldn't be able to replace a transmission or engine when one fails.
You could only go to jail for auto theft for putting your car back together.
If that was the case you wouldn't be able to replace a transmission or engine when one fails.
You could only go to jail for auto theft for putting your car back together.
exactly my point ;)
ssba
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They only are concerned with the #'s on the vin tag
and if the vin tag has been tampered with concealing
theft.
They won't understand why you are giving them incomplete #s taken from places on the car other than the tag.
and if the vin tag has been tampered with concealing
theft.
They won't understand why you are giving them incomplete #s taken from places on the car other than the tag.
ssba
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They don't even care if the car still has a fender tag.
And this is the way it should be.
They are up our a$$ with way to many laws pertaining to automobiles as is.
We don't need to make them aware of more ways for them to collect funds or freedoms from us.
And this is the way it should be.
They are up our a$$ with way to many laws pertaining to automobiles as is.
We don't need to make them aware of more ways for them to collect funds or freedoms from us.
i know. That's why i suggest running it online first for free, there's only a few options to fill the rest of the vin, we know its a duster. Therefore, run the thing online for the possibilities, if something comes up, then notify the cops, if not, run it, drive it and be happy. Or for piece of mind, talk to them anyway, tell them what you suspect but that has risks.
agreed
Breadburner
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Listen to this....
hemicop
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I can see why guys say "Just drive it". On face value there's no reason to be concerned. You have a matching Title & VIN and you imagine the police only care about that. The problem comes in when an MVD inspector or "gearhead" cop like me pops up & for whatever reason starts looking around. He then finds inconsistencies all over the car & can then impound it as a possible stolen vehicle. The car then gets towed off to a lot where it can be stripped or abused & you're screwed. Oh you may get the car back but in what condition?
If it were me, I'd go to your local MVD office, get a "Level3' ( or whatever they call it where you live) inspection & documentation from MVD that your car is good. Yeah it's more bureaucratic BS but it beats getting your car impounded when you're at a car show.
If it were me, I'd go to your local MVD office, get a "Level3' ( or whatever they call it where you live) inspection & documentation from MVD that your car is good. Yeah it's more bureaucratic BS but it beats getting your car impounded when you're at a car show.
Mr Gorsky
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WTH??
This poor bastard is freaking out and most of you are telling him his car will be impounded and he'll go to jail. FFS.
NO-ONE WILL EVER SEE THIS PARTIAL VIN. EVEN AT A CAR SHOW. HE HAS A ZERO PERCENT CHANCE HIS CAR WILL BE TAKEN FROM HIM. HE HAS A TITLE AND A VALID VIN.
ssba
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That is what's wrong with this world today.
Anyone that would take someone's car and put in in a place where it can be stripped hoping to verify as a stolen vehicle without any proof is so much more criminal than being stolen by the car theif the laws were put in place to stop. The enforcer has now become the theif.
Anyone that would take someone's car and put in in a place where it can be stripped hoping to verify as a stolen vehicle without any proof is so much more criminal than being stolen by the car theif the laws were put in place to stop. The enforcer has now become the theif.
Dartswinger70
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I wouldn't harass the old lady, was the deal for a "numbers matching " car? Id go with my general "who gives a ****" M.O. on this one. Unless the guy paid Barrett -Jackson price for it, which I'm figuring he didn't because it is a old man's car that his wife is selling out from under him, you know how those deals go.
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Dartswinger70
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That is a police officers mindset, they are obnoxious by nature, always looking to lock people up for some bullshit.
Marcohotrod
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if the vin on the dash is not listed as stolen, I would never ever worry for 1 second. has anyone here ever ever had a cop look around their car for other vins ? I have been driving a duster fast and loud in mass. since 1977, have had MANY side of the road police visits, and never ever have they checked any vin
Inertia
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Shoot, I've transplanted the whole rear sections of cars, package tray and all, and never even thought about "registering it"
Who would I make the change with, do you think they'd know how to change half a cars vin #. What proof would I need where the parts came from.
I'll soon be changing a rad support, do I "register" that change?
Any body folks out there re-register when a numbered body panels/supports, are replaced. ??
I'd be very surprised if your PM box isn't full with offers to buy your non-numbers matching car..
jmo
Who would I make the change with, do you think they'd know how to change half a cars vin #. What proof would I need where the parts came from.
I'll soon be changing a rad support, do I "register" that change?
Any body folks out there re-register when a numbered body panels/supports, are replaced. ??
I'd be very surprised if your PM box isn't full with offers to buy your non-numbers matching car..
jmo
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Me_N_My_Z
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Ok, Im the OP
I did buy it as a numbers matching car.. I have 9k into it as of now. I realize that its my own fault for not doing my due diligence, but it doesn't change where Im at now.
The woman call me back this morning and said her husband bought the car basically in the condition its in now. The only work he had done to the car was maintenance type work to keep it drivable... She is supposed to call me back this afternoon with the info of the shop that they bought it from (Local restoration shop).
I explained the issue and told her i preferred to just give her the car back for purchase price and she stated she wasn't in a position to buy it back.
I dont want to get anyone in trouble, nor do i want any trouble for myself. I can't keep the car knowing that there is a possibility that it isnt legal. I also can't really afford to take a 9000 loss.
I will attempt to speak with the shop they bought it from and maybe they have a reasonable explanation for the inconsistencies
If not i have no choice but to do the legally and morally right thing.
I did buy it as a numbers matching car.. I have 9k into it as of now. I realize that its my own fault for not doing my due diligence, but it doesn't change where Im at now.
The woman call me back this morning and said her husband bought the car basically in the condition its in now. The only work he had done to the car was maintenance type work to keep it drivable... She is supposed to call me back this afternoon with the info of the shop that they bought it from (Local restoration shop).
I explained the issue and told her i preferred to just give her the car back for purchase price and she stated she wasn't in a position to buy it back.
I dont want to get anyone in trouble, nor do i want any trouble for myself. I can't keep the car knowing that there is a possibility that it isnt legal. I also can't really afford to take a 9000 loss.
I will attempt to speak with the shop they bought it from and maybe they have a reasonable explanation for the inconsistencies
If not i have no choice but to do the legally and morally right thing.
Why not just get the car inspected then? If it clears, then no worries, keep documents for proof
Good for you sir. I was beginning to think there were no honest people left on this forum.
Have the car inspected. For all the doom and gloom I've posted, more likely than not the car will clear just fine. And then you will have the documentation you need to show the car is in fact legal in it's current condition. You'll still have paid too much, but there's nothing that can be done about that at this point.
Good luck.
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I changed the core support out on my Duster, and may change it out again. Never gave a moments thought to the numbers not matching.
To the OP, post up a pic or explain why the core support numbers look "fishy".
Is the sticker still attached to the door pillar? If so, what number is on that?
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To the OP, post up a pic or explain why the core support numbers look "fishy".
Is the sticker still attached to the door pillar? If so, what number is on that?
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Mr Gorsky
I know words, I have the best words...
"You can't help those who won't help themselves."
I tried, Lord...I tried.
I tried, Lord...I tried.
What you tried to do is bully an honest guy who wants to do the right thing into possibly doing something illegal just because you think there's a decent chance he could "get away with it". Not getting caught doesn't mean it's right. And what does he do if he wants to sell the car? I sure as hell wouldn't buy that car without the proper documentation explaining why the VIN plate and title don't match ANY of the body numbers. One? Sure, repairs have to happen, these cars are nearing 50 years old and no one is likely to jam you up over a single body VIN stamping. But all of them?
The whole issue was started by someone like you, ignoring the law and misrepresenting the car during a sale. Maybe the last owner was the victim and sold the car not knowing any better, but at some point there was a dirtbag that took some kind of shortcut and lied about the car. There are far too many people in this hobby/business that don't give a second thought to what the right thing is. That's why there are car flippers that will slap chicken wire and bondo over a rust hole and sell the car as "rust free with new paint". Or take 30 pictures that show everything but the hole in the floor. Or swap the VIN's from a desirable car that's unrepairable onto a clean /6 car shell. Is it dumb that people will pay thousands and thousands of dollars more for a car because of a few letters on a VIN? Yup, it sure is. But it's sleazy at best and criminal at worst to take advantage of that.
ssba
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It has nothing to do with us being dishonest.
Only the unwaranted need for someone to tell you weather its ok or not for an old lady to sell her husbands car to you. And by someone that couldn't care any less about you or your car and especially not the stamped #'s on a dusters package shelf, core support or fender tag. Its not in their job description to even know what you are asking about. You are barking up the wrong tree.
Perhaps you should try and get them to force your money back from the old lady also because the paint color or stripe didn't match the code the car was given when new. See what kind of responce that gets you. The state did their part and gave you your registerable title. They have no knowlege or concern
with any of the other thousands of numbers on any car but the vin tag under the glass or door pillar.
You are wasting yours and their time with any other #'s.
Only the unwaranted need for someone to tell you weather its ok or not for an old lady to sell her husbands car to you. And by someone that couldn't care any less about you or your car and especially not the stamped #'s on a dusters package shelf, core support or fender tag. Its not in their job description to even know what you are asking about. You are barking up the wrong tree.
Perhaps you should try and get them to force your money back from the old lady also because the paint color or stripe didn't match the code the car was given when new. See what kind of responce that gets you. The state did their part and gave you your registerable title. They have no knowlege or concern
with any of the other thousands of numbers on any car but the vin tag under the glass or door pillar.
You are wasting yours and their time with any other #'s.
Vin, title and core all match?? You're good to go!
ssba
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Let the lady and the cops be left alone.
They don't care about any of these #'s.
They don't care about any of these #'s.
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