A flipper/scammer gets busted

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67Dart273 said:
It's also illegal FEDERALLY and has been since 1968....to remove ANY emissions equipment, modify it, or render it inoperative or ineffective....it's just that there's not really anyone to enforce it at the individual vehicle level.

By the way Pishta, I got caught when I was stationed in CA by a roadside emissions trap. Go around a curve, and "there they are."
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I tried to find which car you are talking about.
And none of them seemed to have an issue with a dash pad being used in building an obsolete car for honest reasons.
But theft does seem to be a problem.


The issue here seems to be that the VIN did not match the documentation and was from a stolen car. Once that was cleared everyone was happy.
(And the car's radio would not stop playing Beach Boys Music.
I wonder if that is cruel and unusual punishment under Federal law? )
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/article/case-closed-on-stolen-cuda/

I couldn't find a resolution on this case of a stolen Hemi Cuda car.
I guess it is still missing?
But I would pay someone to steal that car from me.
It's almost as ugly as a "wing car".:poke:

One-of-a-kind Hemi Barracuda 'Mod Top' stolen - Old Cars Weekly

And then there is this case.
Mr. Worman gets on a lot of people's nerves around here.
But this is just beyond the pale.:D

'Graveyard Carz' Reports Alleged Theft and Illegal Sale of SEMA 2016 Plymouth Barracuda
 
I thought Uncle Tony said A Body frame connectors had little benefit for daily street use but were still a good idea for heavy thrashing (drag strip, etc.)?
 
I'm not against cutting, using, changing, etc. But it needs to be an open and legit process. To be honest, I would have moved the later VIN tag onto the earlier dash to keep it a later car. Tony's preface about going to the DMV to get a VIN is fine. That's the legit way to do a car like that. It has no real pedigree so who would care if the VIN was not a factory VIN?
The seller knows everything about it. NO doubt in my mind. Condition and how it got to it is in question, and no doubt the seller either had it done or did it himself and he knows the work is crap. His silence when Tony was discovering and mentioning everything tells me the seller's done this before - he's faced criticism of his cars and realized silence usually works in his favor.
Tony's good people, and if I was a dude looking for a fast buck by spinning the truth he's the last guy I'd want showing up. I know my mopars pretty well, but he KNOWS A bodies.
 
moper said:
I'm not against cutting, using, changing, etc. But it needs to be an open and legit process. To be honest, I would have moved the later VIN tag onto the earlier dash to keep it a later car. Tony's preface about going to the DMV to get a VIN is fine. That's the legit way to do a car like that. It has no real pedigree so who would care if the VIN was not a factory VIN?
The seller knows everything about it. NO doubt in my mind. Condition and how it got to it is in question, and no doubt the seller either had it done or did it himself and he knows the work is crap. His silence when Tony was discovering and mentioning everything tells me the seller's done this before - he's faced criticism of his cars and realized silence usually works in his favor.
Tony's good people, and if I was a dude looking for a fast buck by spinning the truth he's the last guy I'd want showing up. I know my mopars pretty well, but he KNOWS A bodies.
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It is against the law to swap the VIN from 1 dash to another.
 
moper said:
The seller knows everything about it. NO doubt in my mind. Condition and how it got to it is in question, and no doubt the seller either had it done or did it himself and he knows the work is crap. His silence when Tony was discovering and mentioning everything tells me the seller's done this before - he's faced criticism of his cars and realized silence usually works in his favor.
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Yes yes, yes, yes, correct, correct...
 
Jadaharabi said:
It is against the law to swap the VIN from 1 dash to another.
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So's speeding. Or carrying a joint or firearm across state lines for most of us. Or claiming tax deductions higher than actual. Lots of things are illegal. I'd wager you do at least one of those either intentionally or unintentionally every day.
If I sold it as the car the VIN identified, and that number matched the chassis stampings, exactly what is the impact of the change on the buyer? In this case the intent of the law is to stop misrepresentation of the vehicle that would add to the monetary value for the seller, and make the buyer a victim of fraud. The buyer has to believe the car is something more valuable than it really is. There is no misrepresentation here. Just a '73 no-pedigree car with '71 taillights, nose, and gages in a car I've said is a '73.
 
moper said:
So's speeding. Or carrying a joint or firearm across state lines for most of us. Or claiming tax deductions higher than actual. Lots of things are illegal. I'd wager you do at least one of those either intentionally or unintentionally every day.
If I sold it as the car the VIN identified, and that number matched the chassis stampings, exactly what is the impact of the change on the buyer? In this case the intent of the law is to stop misrepresentation of the vehicle that would add to the monetary value for the seller, and make the buyer a victim of fraud. The buyer has to believe the car is something more valuable than it really is. There is no misrepresentation here. Just a '73 no-pedigree car with '71 taillights, nose, and gages in a car I've said is a '73.
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There IS misrepresentation, its titled and being advertised as a 71, and it's a 73
 
Just like this guy on Oahu trying to sell this Barracuda as a 67 and looking at fender its a 68 !
Unless I'm wrong ?

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IIRC the factory who build the new Mustang bodies (and Challenger, and Ford pickup) and ship as a replacement say you can move the VIN to this shell and rebuild your car around it? Did I hear that correctly? I think Tony would be blown away with my 65': there is nothing 65 left on it except the unibody.....and the VIN.
 
moper said:
So's speeding. Or carrying a joint or firearm across state lines for most of us. Or claiming tax deductions higher than actual. Lots of things are illegal. I'd wager you do at least one of those either intentionally or unintentionally every day.
If I sold it as the car the VIN identified, and that number matched the chassis stampings, exactly what is the impact of the change on the buyer? In this case the intent of the law is to stop misrepresentation of the vehicle that would add to the monetary value for the seller, and make the buyer a victim of fraud. The buyer has to believe the car is something more valuable than it really is. There is no misrepresentation here. Just a '73 no-pedigree car with '71 taillights, nose, and gages in a car I've said is a '73.
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Where is it illegal to carry my shotgun across state lines?
No I don't break laws everyday.

So you don't think a 73 duster with a 71 Dash is a misrepresentation?
 
There is nothing saying you can’t make your 73 look like a 71 as long as you keep the original 73 VIN on the car.

That is the issue here, the 71 VIN does not belong to this car.


Alan
 
moper said:
There is no misrepresentation here. Just a '73 no-pedigree car with '71 taillights, nose, and gages in a car I've said is a '73.
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Yes, there IS. Misrepresentation. This is evidently a 71 dash out of "some car" with that title. The rest is just parts. The PROBLEM is that this **** happens every day. This car is likely not stolen, and not worth that much, but it all started with a 73 decent body shell that had no title for whatever reason.
 
67Dart273 said:
Yes, there IS. Misrepresentation. This is evidently a 71 dash out of "some car" with that title. The rest is just parts. The PROBLEM is that this **** happens every day. This car is likely not stolen, and not worth that much, but it all started with a 73 decent body shell that had no title for whatever reason.
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That was quite fun when Tony pointed out the emissions control openings for 73 models in the firewall, wasn't it?
 
63spf said:
Just like this guy on Oahu trying to sell this Barracuda as a 67 and looking at fender its a 68 !
Unless I'm wrong ?

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Often sellers look at the registration and the only reference to the year of the car is the date first sold.
This is probably a 68 first sold in 67, until we see the VIN attached to this car there is no way to know if there is anything wrong with the car.

Some people like the 68 better than the 67, maybe they swapped some parts to make there 67 look like a 68.

Again with seeing the VIN there is no way to know, I write this one off to uninformed seller.


Alan
 
63spf said:
Guy said car all original !!!
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I just looked at the Craigslist listing for this car, everything I see says 1967 aside from the marker lights.
67 grill, 67 badging, 67 interior, 67 dash, it has a 273.
My grandfather talked about adding marker lights to his 67 before I got it.
It does look to have stainless window trim also.


Alan
 
Cuda Al said:
I just looked at the Craigslist listing for this car, everything I see says 1967 aside from the marker lights.
67 grill, 67 badging, 67 interior, 67 dash, it has a 273.
My grandfather talked about adding marker lights to his 67 before I got it.
It does look to have stainless window trim also.


Alan
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Kool, Just never seen a 67 with them b4 . tripped me out !
Wow, Lucky you ! Got your Grandads Cuda. Way Kool !
 
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Jadaharabi said:
Where is it illegal to carry my shotgun across state lines?
No I don't break laws everyday.

So you don't think a 73 duster with a 71 Dash is a misrepresentation?
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In CT anything with a firearm is illegal... Or at least will garner Law Enforcement attention. If you had it on a rack, parked in a parking lot, the cops would come and find you because someone will call them.

Over the years I've found anyone that says "I never break any laws" is living on their own island, lying, or ignorant. If you don't signal for a turn, you broke a law. Rolled a stop sign - broke a law. Parked in front of the food store in the fire lane - broke a law. Own or possess a 50 round magazine in CT - broke a law. Bought .22cal ammo without a CCL in CT - broke a law. Ate a grape while shopping before the grapes get weighed - broke a law. Claimed $20 a week for church donations on your taxes but put in $5 - broke a law. We all do it every day.

In my hypothetical situation - no - it is not misrepresentation. In Tony's video's situation it clearly was. Two different scenarios.
 
67Dart273 said:
Yes, there IS. Misrepresentation. This is evidently a 71 dash out of "some car" with that title. The rest is just parts. The PROBLEM is that this **** happens every day. This car is likely not stolen, and not worth that much, but it all started with a 73 decent body shell that had no title for whatever reason.
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You didn't really understand what I wrote. In TONY's video - yes - misrepresentation. Look at what I actually wrote. I said "If I..." meaning it's a hypothetical where I built a car and was selling it. That car looks like a '71, but I'm selling as a '73 that looks like a '71, but has the '73 VIN tag and corresponding stampings. In my case, that is NOT misrepresentation.
 
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