Since a bigger than stock size bore is allowed it should be a cakewalk.
Any 10 second "All Throttle" 318's in door cars ?
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3.79 stroke. Forgot about that one. A friend has a 340 based mill with that stroke.
Just a few minor corrections, the car pictured is a 65 Valiant. It can't have a 318 2bbl because the 318 wasn't available in 65. I believe it's a 273 2bbl, running in Q/S. The index is 13.65, so mid 12's is more likely. There's a few 318 thermoquad equipped cars and a few 273 afb equipped cars running mid to upper 11's in stock. In Super Stock form the 273 afb and the 318 Thermoquad equipped cars often run well into the 10's.
If it's a 318, perhaps he's just not been caught yet ??
The Enginemasters Challenge runs the engines from 2500 to 6500 rpm. Notice in the article that at 6500 the hp is still climbing. i'm pretty sure the engine in that configuration would want a 7000 (or more) rpm shift point. And a 4500+ converter. If you recall , B3422w5 said they installed a smaller cam before it went in his car.
B3422w5
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All true.
I suspect 6500 was mighty, mighty close to max rpm. It wasn’t climbing much at that point. I was just scared of the beehives and rpm, and didn’t think the thing was suited for street/ strip driving as configured for enginemasters.
I was looking for a mill to run mid 11’s as I wasn’t gonna put a cage in that Duster( didn’t want to make the investment) as I knew it wasn’t a car I would want to keep long term. It ran exactly like I hoped it would, just fastest enough to not require a cage. Really at that point wanted what I now have.
I had a 4800 flash tight vert in it. Had stock water pump, fan, and power steering.
that motor with a few tweaks easily could break into the 10’s in a lighter car. Squeeze, roller, 3000 pounds, easy 10’s with electric fan and water pump.
And yet some members swear by them, post about them and lead other members that there magical slide ruler calculations are perfect and if you’re fails, you did something wrong.
B3422w5
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To an extent I agree .
that said, uniquely, the Moroso calculator has always been pretty accurate. It’s especally accurate to a car that is well sorted out to run what it’s capable.
I think Dwayne has said a solid bracket type deal that is within 10% of the Moroso calculator is doing a good job. Stock and super stock type stuff get well inside that 10% window.
Nothing is the Bible except a time slip, but if anything I have runs within 10% of that Moroso calculator, I am happy.
Each to his own
33IMP
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I'd be curious about why he thinks the calculators are bad. I'm guessing his car ran about a second slower than the calculators said it would.....
This old book, I heard wonderful reviews by those that actually followed the instructions. In fact, the normal report is the package performs better than expected.
W2 heads are approximately $650 each, bare. They would be a little more pricey to set up then OOTB Edelbrock heads. The book does not mention any porting of the head at this stage. The flip side is an aluminum head and it would have to be at least mildly ported.
A better bang for the buck would be TF heads.
Now out the TT heads VW W2’s on the scales.
W2 heads are approximately $650 each, bare. They would be a little more pricey to set up then OOTB Edelbrock heads. The book does not mention any porting of the head at this stage. The flip side is an aluminum head and it would have to be at least mildly ported.
A better bang for the buck would be TF heads.
Now out the TT heads VW W2’s on the scales.
It's just how people use them, like some rule of thumb calculation is more accurate than a dyno, which we'll never able to verify the 1/4 mile calculator since a dyno can't be trusted in their view.
Are you asking me this question?
CUDACOX
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Hey Steve, never had it down the track. 450 H.P./ 490 FPT.
33IMP
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Not really, Rob. Rhetorical. I don't know anything about his combo, or why he thinks the calculators are garbage.
You have a 318 that dynoe'd those numbers? Is it still 3.31 stroke? What head/intake/cam and compression if you don't mind ...
'85 roller engine has the 302 heads and the 9.2:1 cr flat top pistons. 040th down in the hole.
That stock roller cam runs out nice with a 4 bbl on it. If you are lucky that early roller will have the long snout cam with the eccentric on it for the mechanical fuel pump.
Enjoy
1985 318 Roller
33IMP
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490 ft/lb with a stock stroke 318? That i would like to see (HARD to believe).
Flat tops near zero deck and closed chambers are a old hot rodder trick. It just works.
the '85 will have a long snout and fuel pump eccentric because the 85's were carbureted.
well, that's why I asked him for more specifics to see what the build is. Yes, a lot of torque for a 3.31 unless there is boost.
Stock duration and lift of your choice? ?
a stocker cam does not have a "factory stock" duration
I know you have a recipe to make a measly 450hp 318. Let's hear some ideas.
Let's just say if that is the only block you had to work with.
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