Torque Converter High Stall = Loose?

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Hey guys, hope everyone is having a relaxing Sunday! I have a question regarding the looseness of a converter. Does a higher stall converter necessarily have a looser engagement? Are they proportional or not even related?

What makes a converter loose?

Thanks in advance for your responses!

Ron
 
The converter technology has improved the
last couple decades.

However, that being said 3000/3500 is the limit what
we run in our weekend street cars.

I have about 20 High stall converters that we have tested
sitting in the shop that we have tested. With anything above
a stock 10 3/4 stall converter, I recommend a good transmission
cooler before you drive more than a few blocks. We have rebuilt a
number of them ourselves (My friend has a converter shop) and heat
has been the biggest issue with trans and converter breakdown in
street cars.
 
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The converter technology has improved the
last couple decades.

However, that being said 3000/3500 is the limit what
we run in our weekend street cars.
Thanks John. So would a 3000/3500 stall be looser than a 2000? Or does the stall not correlate to looseness? Conversely can you make a 3500 stall tight or loose depending on the converter design?
 
I've posted this before. The avatar's 8" TC that stalls at 5000 rpm never let's you know it's a loose converter unless you mat the loud pedal. Sitting at a light, you better have your foot on the brakes. Backing up, seems like any other TC. Etc, etc. I never had a loose converter "back in the day" so I cannot compare then to now. All I can say is if I had to buy a TC for the avatar again, I would not hesitate to get one with even a tad higher stall speed.
 
I've posted this before. The avatar's 8" TC that stalls at 5000 rpm never let's you know it's a loose converter unless you mat the loud pedal. Sitting at a light, you better have your foot on the brakes. Backing up, seems like any other TC. Etc, etc. I never had a loose converter "back in the day" so I cannot compare then to now. All I can say is if I had to buy a TC for the avatar again, I would not hesitate to get one with even a tad higher stall speed.
Mind sharing from what company is converter?
 
Ok Ok Ill bite, define looseness.
Back in the 60s/70s a lot of sub 3000 convertors, were just regular convertors with the vanes folded over with a pliers and "More or less", set to a specific angle. Maybe they'd put a couple of needle-bearing thrust-washers in there.
When you drive one if these, the bottom end had a real mushy feel, until the convertor approached somewhere near it's stall. This, I suppose was fine for straight line work, but on the street was ugly as heck. Trying to drive a car well below it's stall at Part Throttle, was a constant hunt on the gas pedal. This is my definition of loose.
They say
convertors are not modified this way anymore.
They say,
all the guts are specifically engineered not to do that; and so, the modern convertor drives at Part Throttle just like you'd expect it to. That is to say, NOT loose anymore.

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I don't have a modern convertor so IDK how they drive.
What I do have, is an early 80s, 2800 Modified factory convertor, that is neither loose nor tight, but does drive pretty nicely at Part Throttle. I really like it. With my mostly stock 318, when I floor the Thermoquad, she winds up nicely, starts to get the car moving, gets into the zone, and then I feel it clamp with a mighty grunt, and we are underway. I can't hardly get enough of that.
If I could compare it to something, it would be to the clutch lever of an old 50's John Deere tractor. Grandpa would pull the long lever about half way back, the nose would go up, the rpm would go down, the governor would catch, we'd start to move and Grandpa's hand would feed the rest of the clutch out. The nose would go down, and we were pulling, the motor working all it had.
That 318 combo of mine used to be my winter combo. One winter I ran it with 2.76 gears. Leaving town I would often floor it; The Rs would jump to ~2800, then I would manually shift to second and then third, very early, then with the mighty-TQ roaring, I would hold it there. For like 3 minutes, lol, until the low-compression Teener got up to 70. What a rush, lol.
But, that convertor would still cruize @65=2300 quite nicely, here in flatland Manitoba..

Jus saying.
 
Those are our converters of choice in our race cars.

However, their contingency program sucks = I qualified for
their cash awards at a number of Major races last year. NHRA turned in
the sheets verifying use of their product and display of their decals.
They refused to pay me a penny although I had purchased
six of their converters and many trans pieces. The said that the purchases
had to be within in the last year. Who replaces their damn converters every year?

Beside the gentleman who actually did our 7/8 inch stuff is no longer there. They said
he passed away a couple year ago, but who know he may of just moved to another place.
Their converter supposed to be to the identical specs was not worth a darn we got last year.,

We have spent around $10,000. with them, yet they stiffed me out of a several hundred in Racers' Contingency.
 
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Wow - I'm humbled learning that my little old car shares a TC with GTX John! But it's bad to hear about them trying to shave a few $$'s from him after all the business he's provided. Simple little customer service would go a LONG way toward him promoting their brand as much as he's in the spotlight/winner's circle!
 
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I run a 3800 in my duster from ultimate in NC i think , and it acts like a stock vert untill i hit the go peddel it is the best one i ever had ,and thanks to Lenny he got it spot on. It wasn't cheap but good money spent .
 
Your gears will make a difference on how the converter response as far as street driven "feel". Many will say "it's like a factory converter till you romp on it".... yeah, with 4.56 gears. I had a 9.5 PTC "street" converter in a Duster and it was "spungy" because I had 3.55's. In fact, I gave a guy a ride in it and he asked "if the tranny was slipping".....
 
Your gears will make a difference on how the converter response as far as street driven "feel". Many will say "it's like a factory converter till you romp on it".... yeah, with 4.56 gears. I had a 9.5 PTC "street" converter in a Duster and it was "spungy" because I had 3.55's. In fact, I gave a guy a ride in it and he asked "if the tranny was slipping".....
i run 3.23 with 28'' rear tires
 
Not at all spongie but the custom frank lupo i had was a wet sponge but it was bought in 97 . I run 3.23's and 3.91's and switch back and forth and the ultimate works awesome with both I'm very pleased with it .
 
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