RPM air Gap problems?

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dodgetkboy78 said:
Before you cry American, you better see where the RPM is cast........
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Yup!! It ain't over here i'm sure, but we still pay top $$$$$.

As for the Crosswind being slower then the Eddy, this may be true, but for what i paid for this intake, i'm very pleased, & i'm sure the Eddy won't gain you much over the crosswind, If o'le Vic can't keep his products true for us Americans, then i'm not shelling out to buy his stuff NEW for the prices he gets. I waisted over 200.00 awhile back on there BB RPM mainfold & was very disapointed in its performance.
 
True, but as kudo's to Edelbrock, it looks like they have changed their ways a little.......


When other companies are going overseas for their manufacturing needs, Edelbrock remains dedicated to strengthening our own economy by building a new foundry in San Jacinto, California.
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Nice to see.
 
well..if they are casting them in southern cal....might as well be in mexico...that is where all the paychecks are probably going...
 
Either way, if i "had" to choose a product (other then the US) that was made in china or Meheecoe, i'd choice china, most stuff made in mexico ain't worth a flip, if its true that eddys stuff is made over here, then there quality control needs attention on some things, same goes for other companies products i've seen/had that were "made in the USA" lately have issues too, you just don't know anymore who your supporting when you buy goods, is it "US", or some other country.
 
i heard the same but it was a while ago i run the victor on my small block and the only problem i had was the area that goes around the distributor rubbed a little bit made it a little hard to turn but nothing a grinder couldnt fix..also could be the msd distributor flange is a little bigger then stock..but i have not ran into any other problems
 
realy dont like pissing in the wind but and this is a big but, why do everyone defend the fact that the american made stuff needs to be reworked to work and fit properly(cause it just needed alitle here and alitle there), while it seems that everyone gets upset with the same problems with chinese stuff? i realy try to buy real american made performance parts whenever i buy something unless i can find something swedishmade but that is real hard as you may understand, but this is alitle anoying... i seriusly cant remember buying anyting from anywhere that did not need some work to work except my lysholm twinscrewsupercharger but that was not bought new it was a rebuilt one and i havent put it on the car yet
 
duster340 said:
realy dont like pissing in the wind but and this is a big but, why do everyone defend the fact that the american made stuff needs to be reworked to work and fit properly(cause it just needed alitle here and alitle there), while it seems that everyone gets upset with the same problems with chinese stuff? i realy try to buy real american made performance parts whenever i buy something unless i can find something swedishmade but that is real hard as you may understand, but this is alitle anoying... i seriusly cant remember buying anyting from anywhere that did not need some work to work except my lysholm twinscrewsupercharger but that was not bought new it was a rebuilt one and i havent put it on the car yet
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amen to that!

my air gap fit fine by the way...oh, and i paid 100 bucks for it used in almost brand new shape...cleaned the mouting surfaces, sandblasted and painted it, and voila!:toothy10:
 
My Theory...you Can Buy Crap Made Us Parts And Good Mad Us Parts You Can Buy Crap Made Foriegn Parts And Good Made Foriegn Parts What It All Comes Down To Is What You Prefere What Performs And What You Can Afford..at The End Of The Day No Manufacture Is Perfect Just Because Somebody Doesn Like A Certain Part Made Whereever Because Of Problems They May Have Had Doesnt Mean That Somebody Somewhere Bought It And Loved The **** Out Of It..now Adays No Matter Where Its Made Seems Like The Luck Of The Draw With Anything
 
My Air Gap lined up perfectly with my Iron Ram head, or at least as well as any intake could be expected to. As far as the runners blocking the bolt-hole issues, I just put the bolts in the holes before I set the intake down on the motor. I had it on and off plenty when fighting with junk Mopar lifters and never had an issue with that.

The Chinese intake didn't line up at all.

Pics:
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=56841

What you can't see in the pic is that the center bar in the ports is almost off the damn gasket. Ridiculous.

Additionally, the Chinese intake isn't really a rip off of the air gap, other than it has air gapped runners. The runners on the Chinese crap are much smaller than the runners on the air gap. Also, the cross section varies through the length of the runner on several runners. I've had both. Its ****.

Steve
 
Edelbrock started advertising a Magnum verson if the Air Gap in early 2005, or maybe 2006, I'm not sure. I tried to buy one for my 360 Magnum, several places in the summer of that year, and was told, by those places that that manifold was not available, yet. due to "casting problems."

So, I waited a couple of more months, all the while lusting after that manifold in Edelbrock ads in magazines.... it was JUST what I wanted!!! Even read a Car Craft article that tested the Air Gap against several single plane manifolds; it only gave up ONE HP to the best single plane, tested.

My car was ready to roll, except.... no intake manifold... still, no Edelbrock Magnum Air Gaps being shipped.

I saw an ad for a Professional Products "Air-Gap-style" intake for about a hundred dollars (at that time) less that the Eddy unit.

I NEEDED an intake manifold, and no Eddy units were being sold, yet, so I ordered the only "Air Gap"-style manifold available to me at the time.

I don't know about port alignment; it looked okay with the gaskets glued to the mounting face; there was no apparent port misalignment, and it bolted on with no problems of any kind. Only when I tried to install a Holley 4150, 750CFM Double Pumper, with float bowl extensions, did I have a problem; the rear accelerator pump arm hit the manifold's screw-in, vacuum fitting, big time.

I alleviated that problem by some judicious grinding on the fitting, but there was no excuse for locating it where they did.

I finished the engine, and took it to a Chassis Dyno shop where it made 445 rear wheel HP and 470 rear wheel torque, according to the computer printout (that's from a basically stock 360 Magnum (except for the hydraulic roller (OEM-lifters) cam.

That's approximately 525 flywheel HP, if you believe the 85-percent theory regarding rear-wheel HP vs. flywheel HP.

I've have had zero problems with this engine (and manifold) since the installation.

I may replace that manifold with a single-plane, one of these days. An M-P manifold, probably.

I would have preferred to utilize the Edelbrock manifold, and it may, in fact, be faster, but I've been pretty happy with this Chinese manifold, so far... and the Eddy just was not available, when I needed one.
 
Bill:

Intake manifold alignment matters a LOT less with boost than it does naturally aspirated.
 
I checked my Crosswind before install, the alignment was very good on the RHS heads, the overall construction vs. price for this intake is well worth it IMO, i've had issues with the SB Eddy RPM in the past, it wasen't perfect, i saved around 125.00, that bought my summit headers & dinner, so i'm happy.

Bill, those are some nice #s from the magnum, what all is done to it, what heads? Was that with a stock short block?
 
LXguy said:
Oh? What method did you use to check it?
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I just lined up the gaskets on the heads & checked the allignment, then i layed them over on that side of the intake & checked there, it looked pretty good, now how well you center the intake on the head is another story when you button it up lol. On my BBs, i check the upper & underside F&R of the runners with a feeler gauge, but thats hard to do on the SB intake.

I can't speak for the Iron Ram heads (i'm running RHSs), even though the runners seem alittle smaller on the crosswind, the allignment wasn't bad, now i also noticed in your article on this intake you were useing a cork gasket like an LA one, my Magnum gaskets were alot different then the ones you posted, i bought the felpro magnum head set FEL HS9898PT1 & those intake gaskets were nice, had a film coating & rings around the ports, not just a flat peice of cork, did you slot a set of LA intake gaskets to fit the Magnum heads?
 
JoeDust451 said:
Your talking about the Crosswind RPM knock-off, "ripoff" Ha, i don't think so, is the eddy a ripoff, sure the hell is IMO, you better do your research, i bought one for 125.00 less then the ol'e mighty Eddy RPM, it is truely a VERY nice intake, & it fits damn good too, plus it is versital for both blocks, has the LA & Magnum bolt holes, i was pleasently surprized at the quality & fitment fpor the price i payed, it may be a China piece, but get used to it, not much is being made over here for are cars anymore, so chill out. I would love to buy american & was able to 20 yrs. ago, but if we keep selling are industry over seas, it'll soon be ALL gone. its called reality.
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as far as buying chinese. well thats not the american companys fault. thats the consumers fault for buying 'brand X" made in china crap. buy american.. american jobs/foundries stay. buy oversees.. american jobs/foundries go. thats how i see it.
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crosswind not a ripoff of the eddie RPM? your kidding right? so big deal the cross wind has dual drilled bolt holes. i seen a crosswind intake (for a friend of mines chevy mindyou) and the fitment was horrible. couldn't even gasket match it becouse that would eliminated the center port dividing wall.. or at the very least make it paper thin. crappy all around intake in that instance. whats the rpm a ripoff of?
 
A-BOMB360 said:
as far as buying chinese. well thats not the american companys fault. thats the consumers fault for buying 'brand X" made in china crap. buy american.. american jobs/foundries stay. buy oversees.. american jobs/foundries go. thats how i see it.
anyways,
crosswind not a ripoff of the eddie RPM? your kidding right? so big deal the cross wind has dual drilled bolt holes. i seen a crosswind intake (for a friend of mines chevy mindyou) and the fitment was horrible. couldn't even gasket match it becouse that would eliminated the center port dividing wall.. or at the very least make it paper thin. crappy all around intake in that instance. whats the rpm a ripoff of?
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As i see it, for the price most Eddy stuff is, & being " made in the USA" as we all want, then it should be damn near "dead on perfect" period!! I would love to buy american, & i do for the most part, but were folding up all over, don't point fingers at people not buying american, it ain't all about US buying it, its about greedy people wanting to make a quick buck, & theres plenty in this country,its a crying shame, but its the facts, & US americans like bargains too, & if you opened your eyes to the truth of whats happening & been happening for along time, are own people are selling us short by highering foreigners that take our jobs here on our soil, & looking for cheaper labor over seas, do you really think there coming over here & demanding we higher them, or force us to sell off companies too them, don't think so, its US, not them, we need to "stop it", but i doubt that will happen with all the greed floating around, but thats human nature, & the plus of haveing that freedom as some would say, i would vow to "allways" buy american if the price fits the quality of how its made.

Sorry if i sound blunt & don't hold a blind eye or sugar coat anything, i have "freedom of speech" so i'm just speaking the truth as i see it (& i'm not alone), Do i think its fare for us to pay higher prices or top dallor for american stuff, yes i do if its made right the 1st. time, but when theres flaws, then its not right, & we all know there flaws in Edelbrock stuff, there carbs/heads/intakes, so the way i see it, they should cut US a break & say, Hey, its not perfect, so we won't stick it to ya, we are human too, i can go on & on.
 
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