First 'Major' ticket

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tomcopbar

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81 in a 50, 31 km/h over, $226 fine and 4 points. My first ticket I want to fight just for insurance reasons but I am unsure about how to continue, oh well, it will come to me. It really sucks, didn't even get a break from the cop, not that it is his job... Im pissed at myself. I know a radar detector is illegal where I live but it would have saved me easily on this one. CRAP:banghead:
 
I got one a couple yrs. back and for an extra $50 they let me off on probation. Just had to be good for a year and it's not on my record. Does your country do stuff like that? Might be something to look into.
 
i recently got my first ticket in 15+ years, was taking dad out for a ride in the dart, went over a hill at 72 in a 35 and cop was cresting the hill in the opposite direction at the same time as me. I knew he had me dead to rights so I just pulled over into a driveway at the bottom of the hill and waited for him to come back around, had all paperwork out and waiting for him and was real polite and friendly about it. Since I didn't make him chase me he wrote the ticket up as 60 in a 35, it saved me $80 on the payout. He also made me open the hood so he could check out the motor.
I make it a point to be REAL friendly and polite to my local officers. I'm the only guy in my little municipality that regularly drives old, loud vehicles so they know who I am anyway so being a jerk or rude to them is only going to make life way more difficult. I always wave at them in passing and if I see them in person make it a point to say hello or good evening. They always wave back and I've never been unduly hassled and all my other experiences with them have been very good.
-Tim
 
You don't have to fight it, just show up for it. I had one years ago in SC for 81 in a 55; it was 6 points and $270. I went to court, but I didn't even have to go in front of the judge. The officer came outside the court room after he had already negotiated it down to 4 points and $90 if I went ahead and just paid it without going in front of the judge. I was all over it. I could afford the points back then, just not the amount of money.
 
i recently got my first ticket in 15+ years, was taking dad out for a ride in the dart, went over a hill at 72 in a 35 and cop was cresting the hill in the opposite direction at the same time as me. I knew he had me dead to rights so I just pulled over into a driveway at the bottom of the hill and waited for him to come back around, had all paperwork out and waiting for him and was real polite and friendly about it. Since I didn't make him chase me he wrote the ticket up as 60 in a 35, it saved me $80 on the payout. He also made me open the hood so he could check out the motor.
I make it a point to be REAL friendly and polite to my local officers. I'm the only guy in my little municipality that regularly drives old, loud vehicles so they know who I am anyway so being a jerk or rude to them is only going to make life way more difficult. I always wave at them in passing and if I see them in person make it a point to say hello or good evening. They always wave back and I've never been unduly hassled and all my other experiences with them have been very good.
-Tim

I also always make it a point to give the cops a friendly wave when I am in town. My dad was a cop and they are just people doing a job. I haven't had a ticket in years and usually don't really speed much but for those times when I safely play a bit I want to make sure that if I do they know I am friendly.
 
81 in a 50, 31 km/h over, $226 fine and 4 points. My first ticket I want to fight just for insurance reasons but I am unsure about how to continue, oh well, it will come to me. It really sucks, didn't even get a break from the cop, not that it is his job... Im pissed at myself. I know a radar detector is illegal where I live but it would have saved me easily on this one. CRAP:banghead:

set your court date, go and plead it down. If you haven't been a bad boy / girl in the past, you should be ok. Take the reduced hit. Either way , it ain't going away! 15 over, no points. Otherwise get yourself a traffic ticket fighter, lots around, but beware, you still will pay their fees on a reduced sentence.
goodluck!
 
I also always make it a point to give the cops a friendly wave when I am in town. My dad was a cop and they are just people doing a job. I haven't had a ticket in years and usually don't really speed much but for those times when I safely play a bit I want to make sure that if I do they know I am friendly.

back in 06 when I worked at a hi-po shop, we had an officer that would come in from time to time to check out the cars we were working on, he was a real gearhead. We had two badass chevy's in there, a full-race, tube-chassis'ed 71 vega with a fully built 396 (it was a former Jeg Coughlin pro-stocker) and a 79 camaro backhalved pro-street car with a turbo'ed 555ci aluminum Dart block. he offered to shut down a local 4-lane street at 1am so we could race them but it never happened. He pulled us over one day in the camaro for going 62 in a 35 on the same afore-mentioned street and told us to stop being idiots and making him look bad for talking us up at the station. at the time we were trying to work a deal with the local force to superchip the cruisers. also never happened.
 
ps. if the judge is in a good mood, when your fine is set, they may ask if you A, have the financial means to pay it (you can ask for a reduced fine, but don't hold your breath) and, b, do you need time to pay it (yes you do, why pay it early).

not all may agree, but hey, do the crime do the time (but as little as as possible)
 
Invest in a Valentine One radar/laser detector (invisible to radar detector detectors)
Get the remote display and motor in peace.

Optik,
If you would of chipped 12 cruiser for free, you might have gotten that race. And probably gotten some business. Was this in Cincy??

Don't ask how I know of this.
 
are you sure the cop didn't reduce it? there is a box on the ticket for that (I can't think of what the box says, sorry). It's on the right side almost half way down. Cop has to initial it if he has reduced it.
 
Invest in a Valentine One radar/laser detector (invisible to radar detector detectors)
Get the remote display and motor in peace.

Optik,
If you would of chipped 12 cruiser for free, you might have gotten that race. And probably gotten some business. Was this in Cincy??

Don't ask how I know of this.

yes, Sharonville. Race was supposed to be on Mosteller between Sharon and Kemper, alongside the Ford transmission plant there. Not that we didn't do a couple runs in other vehicles on that stretch anyway wink wink.
-Tim
 
If you can, try to find a mechanic that will put it in writing that your speedometer needed to be re-calibrated, (say 12 to 15 miles off the actual speed) It may help you out or it may not but definately worth a shot. I have had 5 speeding tickets here in North Carolina in 2 yrs living here, after only having 2 in 20 plus years in Massachusetts.I have been extremely fortunate as to getting breaks on ALL these tickets and none of these has resulted in any points against my license. Last one I got was 85 in a 70 in the Duster on 95 North in Roanoke Rapids, The state trooper who saw me breeze past where he was sitting when he caught up to me (I pulled into the right lane, I knew I was bagged) he pulls me over and said " The Duster is running good today" I said yeah it sure is!!!!! He was pretty cool and even suggested that If I got my speedometer calibrated and brought the receipt into court, that they would drop it. I got a Lawyer, paid the $255.00 for the lawyer/court costs, faxed the lawyer a copy of the receipt and didn't even need to show up in court on day of hearing. Got a letter a week after the court date stating I was good to go. Hope this helps you!!!! Good luck. Please keep us posted how you make out.
 
Just out of curiousity.. Why were you doing 81 in a 50 zone?

Don't take it the wrong way, but when that guy in his sh!tty 70's Camaro drives 90 down my local street, I just want to scatter some roofing nails all over the road, because he's already hit the cat twice and almost run down people walking their dogs..
 
I was in my 2009 Ranger, I know... But Im sure the speedo is fine in that case. The ticket was for what I was going, no reduction at all. I have no problem in paying the fine, I am more than happy to, by all means I was breaking the law, it is just the points and subsequent insurance hike that I am not willing to be hit with. Im a 22 year old guy living near Toronto, I pay enough insurance already ( damn ricers to thank for that) I think I will contact one of those ticket fightters to see what I may be able to do, I can't take a day off work to go to court. I only have 15 days from now to make a show and it is only on Wednesdays that they have traffic court, DUMB.

The 81 in a 50: 4 lane hwy with centre turning lane, nice new pavement and wide, drops from 80 to 60 to 50 within 500 meters, I wasn't paying close attention obviously and get nailed. I wasn't alone on the road, guess just the best looking, HA
 
if you show up to court on time and agree to pay the fine the judge will usually suspend the points they just want the money
 
contact your District attorney's office, in NY they will reduce a speeding ticket to a non-speeding violation, once every 18 months. Maybe Toronto is the same???
 
contact your District attorney's office, in NY they will reduce a speeding ticket to a non-speeding violation, once every 18 months. Maybe Toronto is the same???

nope not here.

Go plead it down. Anything under 15 over, no points, you be doing good I think. Let us know what you decide to do and how you make out.

To see the traffic ticket fighters is a no charge affair, and most will tell you do
as I have suggested, but this is something you can do on your own. Don't be intimidated by the "system".
 
My son, not long after getting his license, got rung up for 86mph in a 55mph zone(claimed late for work, limited access highway, 3 lanes each way).

Now the insurance company will flat out drop a young driver for that kind of speed. He got a traffic attorney(~$600)went in before the judge, officer agrees to DROP ALL CHARGES, provided my son completes the "Red Program". Now the Red Program is a Saturday 8 hour program in which they scare the living sh_t out of youngsters, with classes, movies, and visits to trauma centers to see what speeding can cause. He came home white as a ghost, vowing never to speed again(yeah, right).

Went back to judge, judge still hit him for 61 in a 55, no points, $100.

Luckily, Pennsylvania is the only state that does NOT allow local police to use radar, only the state boys are allowed to use it. The locals cannot use, at this time, anything that measures you while THEY are in motion. Has to be a speed trap set up on the road(vascar, VSP, etc). Personally, from my times in New England, with those idiots up there using the rolling radar, I think it's fund raising only.

But then again, @54, I don't feel the need to speed anymore. I just go no more than 10 over the limit(locals are FORBIDDEN by the state from pulling you over unless it is over 10 mph over the limit)and on the Interstates, no more than about 6 or 7 mph over the limit(pa staties have to give 10% for speedometer error). I put my 65 Barracuda into a field one night, drunk @110 mph and car and driver both lived to drive another day, that scared me slower.

FF
 
Well, lemme tell a true story from the jurisdiction in question (Toronto). Two or three years ago we were driving along in my '89 D100, coming up to a traffic light at the entrance to a large supermarket. The light went yellow, so I pulled up to the stop line and stopped. Ahead of us and to the left was a Chev Cavalier with its left turn signal on, properly positioned past the stop line to complete a left turn once the intersection cleared. The light turned red, the intersection cleared, the Cavalier started forward-leftward. The driver of an oncoming Ford Taurus taxicab flew up to the line of stopped traffic, steered into his right lane, gunned it and flew into the intersection. He crammed on his brakes once he was already well into the intersection, but nevertheless punched the Cavalier hard in the right front, spinning it 270°. End of bumper, lights, hood, radiator, and fan for the Taurus. End of the road for the Cavalier, whose occupants were badly shaken and slightly bloody but overall okeh. The light goes green; I pull across the intersection and park, then we walk back to see how I can help.

The cab driver, who is named Awil Hirsi and is obviously from someplace where they barely have roads, let alone traffic laws, gets out of his car and the very first thing he does is start getting up in the faces of everyone around, vowing to kill them if they tell the cops anything. A couple of witnesses drive off. He didn't try to get in our faces, guess he didn't want to mess with a couple of big-bearded dudes who look like we might be bikers (or rock stars :lol: ). Cops and ambulance arrive, we give our report.

By and by, the court date comes. I show up, the Cavalier driver and her husband show up, the cop shows up…everyone shows up except the cab driver, who has sent word that he's ill and can't make the court date. Yeah, right. :roll: So the hearing is rescheduled. Next court date comes up…guess what, cab driver doesn't show. Sick again. Amazing. Third time's a charm, cab driver shows up. He gets on the stand and the judge asks him what colour the light was when he entered the intersection. He says "red. I mean yellow." The judge says "Listen to me very carefully: if it was red, then you will be guilty of failure to stop at a red light. If it was yellow, then it's just careless driving. What color was it?" The cab driver says "It was yellow." The judge says "OK, yellow then we're knocking this down to careless driving. Pay on your way out." TOTAL BS, the guy destroyed somebody else's car and caused blood by zooming into an intersection with a red light, faked "sickness" to get out of court twice, and all he gets is a "careless driving" slap on the wrist.

And me, I turned right onto a particular street during a prohibited time, and the cops were waiting for people to do exactly that, so I got a "failure to obey posted sign" ticket…cop said "Be sure and take this to court", so I did; he didn't show, so the ticket was dismissed.

It sounds like you pretty much have a grasp of things. Do not try to make excuses in court; they won't work. Tell the truth: this is the first time you've ever had a ticket, the road was brand new and quieter than the roads you normally drive on, and your attention temporarily strayed from the speedometer. That is your best shot at lenience.

As for insurance: there's nothing to be done about it. The insurance cartel in this province is criminal. We almost got public auto insurance in ON a few years ago like they have in BC, and it would've saved us a whack of money, but nooooooo, because the insurance companies launched a massive, high-dollar, successful propaganda campaign against it, even as they were pretending to be cash-starved and poverty-stricken. :roll:
 
I'm from Ontario also and my son doesn't seem to know when to let off the pedal either... lol...Here's what you need to do, set things up like you are going to fight it, show up on court date early and find the Crown who has got your case and talk to him or her before court starts explain to them that this is your first ever bad ticket and was way out of caracture for you and will never happen again and ask them to reduce charge for a guilty plea. I know this sounds too easy but it is done every day. It's cheaper for the court to have a guilty plea than a trial. You will then not have to fabracate some kind of BS defence which everyone will know to be BS anyway. You will keep yourself honest and self respecting rather than just getting wrapped up in a big LIE!!!
We did this for my son and charges were reduced to 15/km over and 2 points alot cheaper on your insurance rates.
Also you have learned a big life leason....Speed Is For The Track
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My dad just got 700 dollars in tickets on teh route he drives to work everyday. At 3am on a 4lane highway its kinda easy to speed, and the highway dumps into a 2 lane each way road that takes the speed limit from 65 to 35 and so he was doing like 90 in a 35. Then the cop asks to see his proof of insurance and my dad could only find our agents card for his charger not his work car. My dad offers to dig around some more in the glove box (where there ended up being a good card) but the cop said no don;t worry about it. He came back up from his car after writing the tickets with a speeding ticket, one for driving an uninsured vehicle, and one for failing to provide proof of insurance. He can fight the driving the an uninsured vehicle one but not the failing to provide proof one, which is lame cuz the cop told him not to worry about it. What the frack?
 
I think I read in your description a basis for your "defense". I subscribe to the honesty is the best policy route when dealing with law enforcement, and in your thread you state that the speed limit changes relatively quickly in a short distance. You also state that you were not paying attention to the reduction and thus the ticket. If I were you, I would state those facts in your defense, and also offer a synopsis of your age and driving record and the fact that you are younger and the effects points will have on your record and economic status. If there is any reduction in your fine/points as a result, you can thank the judge and offer this opprotunity as a learning experience. If there is no reduction, still thank the judge and state the above learning experience. I'm sure either way, it WILL be a learning experience!!! Good luck my friend, this too shall pass!!! Geof
 
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