An observation and theory on the manipulation of time.

[TrailBeast]

I'll keep it short and sweet, but here's my thoughts on it.

Things we already know.
A black hole pulls in matter because of high gravitational forces.
Gravity as far as we know only affects matter ( and before it's mentioned yes, light is matter)
Time slows the closer you get to a black hole. (so apparently it has an affect on something that is just basically a concept, and not tangible matter right?)

So what if we are misunderstanding how time works and what it is?
Could time itself be a form of matter affected by gravity just like any other matter is?

I'm not speaking of time like day to day sunrises and sunsets, or months or years.
These are man made scales determined specifically by our solar system ONLY.
Outside of our solar system the same rules don't apply unless we use our measurements conceived and accepted on planet Earth.
Just like up/down, North/South don't apply outside this planets surface.
Part of the problem as I see it is that we are trying to apply our measure and understanding when we think of it, and may be completely missing the fact that time is also made up of a sort of matter (gravitational forces affect only matter, right?)

Is it possible we are misunderstanding it, and therefore find it impossible to alter or move around in?
I'll ask the question using things we already understand.

Are we basically trying to use sails when we should be using wheels when we try to study time?
Can time be pumped through a pipe and stored like fluid?
Can it be projected like light?

We can't answer these questions with what we know or think about the subject, so maybe we misunderstand it so badly we can't do anything with it but note it's passing as events that already happened, are happening now or has not happened yet.
Or is it possible we are not using the right tools to work with it, because of this lack of knowledge about it's true nature?

Is time just a concept, or is it really a tangible thing that can be manipulated, stored or rerouted?

This is one of my hobbies, when I'm just sitting staring at a wall.

 

[seabee]

It is an interesting subject. Asimov wrote some cool stuff on it but ,I'll have to dig it out of my books.

 

[GeorgeH]

If that were true, I would've bent my light sabre years ago! lol Interesting concept though, as our minds can put traumatic events into slo-mo, and a busy day flies by. So it would seem the mind can manipulate time against a standard measure.

 

[Back in Time]

I'll keep it short and sweet, but here's my thoughts on it.

Things we already know.
A black hole pulls in matter because of high gravitational forces.
Gravity as far as we know only affects matter ( and before it's mentioned yes, light is matter)
Time slows the closer you get to a black hole. (so apparently it has an affect on something that is just basically a concept, and not tangible matter right?)

So what if we are misunderstanding how time works and what it is?
Could time itself be a form of matter affected by gravity just like any other matter is?

I'm not speaking of time like day to day sunrises and sunsets, or months or years.
These are man made scales determined specifically by our solar system ONLY.
Outside of our solar system the same rules don't apply unless we use our measurements conceived and accepted on planet Earth.
Just like up/down, North/South don't apply outside this planets surface.
Part of the problem as I see it is that we are trying to apply our measure and understanding when we think of it, and may be completely missing the fact that time is also made up of a sort of matter (gravitational forces affect only matter, right?)

Is it possible we are misunderstanding it, and therefore find it impossible to alter or move around in?
I'll ask the question using things we already understand.

Are we basically trying to use sails when we should be using wheels when we try to study time?
Can time be pumped through a pipe and stored like fluid?
Can it be projected like light?

We can't answer these questions with what we know or think about the subject, so maybe we misunderstand it so badly we can't do anything with it but note it's passing as events that already happened, are happening now or has not happened yet.
Or is it possible we are not using the right tools to work with it, because of this lack of knowledge about it's true nature?

Is time just a concept, or is it really a tangible thing that can be manipulated, stored or rerouted?

This is one of my hobbies, when I'm just sitting staring at a wall.

That's " short and sweet" ?

 

[TrailBeast]

If that were true, I would've bent my light sabre years ago! lol Interesting concept though, as our minds can put traumatic events into slo-mo, and a busy day flies by. So it would seem the mind can manipulate time against a standard measure.

Or at the very least pay less attention to it passing.

 

[TrailBeast]

That's " short and sweet" ?

Oh yea, as I spend hours on it.
I think they are hours anyway.
It could be a lifetime to some extra terrestrial species, but just hours in Earth measurements.

 

[adriver]

Don't blink.

 

[Bad Sport]

All I know is, my Mom always told me that "the older you get, the faster it (time) goes".

Boy was she ever right!

 

[zkx14]

We don't know what we don't know.

 

[GeorgeH]

And what is the correlation between distilled beverages and time? In my youth I had lost many an evening worth of time

 

[Valiant63]

As far as I know, time is only manipulated at the drag strip... by going faster.

 

[chryslerfat]

All I know is, my Mom always told me that "the older you get, the faster it (time) goes".

Boy was she ever right!

I was told this by my dad and he sure was right. A year seems to last just over a week now but 20 years ago it took a week for a day to pass.

 

[zkx14]

And what is the correlation between distilled beverages and time?

I think an extensive study should be done on this. Any chance we could get a government grant to fund it?

 

[GeorgeH]

lol

 

[GeorgeH]

I think an extensive study should be done on this. Any chance we could get a government grant to fund it?

already done!

 

[69conv]

Jim Croce could put time in a bottle but I would have to empty it first.

 

[GeorgeH]

Jim Croce could put time in a bottle but I would have to empty it first.

That was a big "IF" lol

 

[magnumdart]

Hmmm. I know all the answers, but I'm not telling.

 

[DodgeLad]

I've taken some magic mushrooms that pretty much allowed me to stop, or get rid of, time for the moment. When logic and reason are blown to hell, time doesn't exist. Time is a concept to keep you immersed in your current reality and daily ritual.

 

[AJ/FormS]

Well, I think many of the things we were taught in school and accepted as truth,really were not. And somehow all those theories became laws. And the laws were then proven false, but the textbooks were never changed. So now this information became lies. And they still fed it to us. And we believed it cuz we were kids. Teachers wouldn't lie to us would they? Well I think most of them didn't know any better,they were just regurgitating what they had been taught, or had come to believe was true.
So now, many generations later, the masses are so indoctrinated, we believe all kinds of lies.
My pet peeve is theoretical science.
Look, I stick my hand in a bowl of water and it gets wet. I understand such like.
But when they tell me the earth is round and spinning at 1000mph at the equator, and stuff isn't flying off into space, that is totally counter-intuitive.And when they say that we are hurtling through space,on a path around the sun, and traveling at about 1000 times the speed of sound, that is bizarre. And to think that the sun is traveling around some point in Andromeda at something like 1.6 million miles an hour, common. For all that to be happening simultaneously, a person standing on the equator, and at 90* to the sun, he would be travelling at 1.6million, plus 660,000, plus 1000 miles per hour. Thats a grand total of 2.261 MILLION MILES PER HOUR.
And they say the earth has existed for billions of years.
Ok so here's my question; If this has been going on for billions of years, how come the atmosphere wasn't blasted off the surface of the earth,billions of years ago? I call BS.
They say GRAVITY keeps it all on this big old ball.Well shoot have you tested gravity lately? I mean put a lil hot air in a balloon and gravity is busted.
Yeah, now I call BS on a lotta things.
But I was 60 years old before I began to question these things.
Time?
My dog don't know a thing about it. My cat don't know a thing period.Time is an invention of man. And of mathematicians and scientists, who use it to manipulate their equations to make themselves appear smarter than the rest of us.See when they invent lies, they have to prop those lies up with still more lies, and one day the whole house of lies will crumble, and how smart will they appear then?
Ok so prove something AJ. I can't. It's called theoretical science for a reason. The trouble is they are teaching our kids this stuff as real and true, and we are letting them!
The biggest black hole of all is where NASA puts all the money they steal from the American people, in the name of science, and we have absolutely no proof that anything they say they spend it on has any significant truth in it.
OH boy there he goes again!
Hyup, indeed; I call bs.
That's the kindof things I think about.

 

[Lustle]

Well, I think many of the things we were taught in school and accepted as truth,really were not. And somehow all those theories became laws. And the laws were then proven false, but the textbooks were never changed. So now this information became lies. And they still fed it to us. And we believed it cuz we were kids. Teachers wouldn't lie to us would they? Well I think most of them didn't know any better,they were just regurgitating what they had been taught, or had come to believe was true.
So now, many generations later, the masses are so indoctrinated, we believe all kinds of lies.
My pet peeve is theoretical science.
Look, I stick my hand in a bowl of water and it gets wet. I understand such like.
But when they tell me the earth is round and spinning at 1000mph at the equator, and stuff isn't flying off into space, that is totally counter-intuitive.And when they say that we are hurtling through space,on a path around the sun, and traveling at about 1000 times the speed of sound, that is bizarre. And to think that the sun is traveling around some point in Andromeda at something like 1.6 million miles an hour, common. For all that to be happening simultaneously, a person standing on the equator, and at 90* to the sun, he would be travelling at 1.6million, plus 660,000, plus 1000 miles per hour. Thats a grand total of 2.261 MILLION MILES PER HOUR.
And they say the earth has existed for billions of years.
Ok so here's my question; If this has been going on for billions of years, how come the atmosphere wasn't blasted off the surface of the earth,billions of years ago? I call BS.
They say GRAVITY keeps it all on this big old ball.Well shoot have you tested gravity lately? I mean put a lil hot air in a balloon and gravity is busted.
Yeah, now I call BS on a lotta things.
But I was 60 years old before I began to question these things.
Time?
My dog don't know a thing about it. My cat don't know a thing period.Time is an invention of man. And of mathematicians and scientists, who use it to manipulate their equations to make themselves appear smarter than the rest of us.See when they invent lies, they have to prop those lies up with still more lies, and one day the whole house of lies will crumble, and how smart will they appear then?
Ok so prove something AJ. I can't. It's called theoretical science for a reason. The trouble is they are teaching our kids this stuff as real and true, and we are letting them!
The biggest black hole of all is where NASA puts all the money they steal from the American people, in the name of science, and we have absolutely no proof that anything they say they spend it on has any significant truth in it.
OH boy there he goes again!
Hyup, indeed; I call bs.
That's the kindof things I think about.

I think you're forgetting a very important thing. Relativity.

1000MPH sounds fast. Until you factor in relativity. The distance of the earth around the equator is 24,874 miles. So really, 1000MPH is actually relatively slow.

Think of it this way as well. When you're in a plane, taking off. Or a car leaving the lights. Or anything like that. You feel it. You get pushed into your seat. But once you're at speed. you don't notice it at all, do you? A 747s takeoff speed? 180 MPH. It's cruise speed? 560 MPH. Yet cruise feels a lot more comfy than take off. Doesn't it? That's because you feel acceleration. Once you and everything around you is at speed, it's constant motion. Your body and everything around you travels together. This is also part of relativity. But I won't get too much into that.

As for time? We perceive time as linear. A fish in a river. I personally prefer to view time as a lake. Everything has already happened. And is happening. And will happen. At the same time. We just happen to swim up to it and perceive it as happening right now. Eventually we will reach the point when we can understand time more. Just like the first time man went into space and realized how trivial up and down is. We will one day realize how trivial seconds and minutes are.

Gravity and it's affects on time are also interesting. Space and time are believed to be one constant. The 3 dimensional space. With time as the "4th" dimension. Except that if gravity can affect time in the instance of a black hole. It's really not as constant as we believe it to be. It is something tangible and can be manipulated. Space is space. Whether there is a black hole there or not. Black hole's have zero effect on space (and I mean space dimension-ally, not space as in the vacuum full of stuff between stellar bodies). Black holes exist in space. But if time is a part of space-time. And they are constants. Then why is time affected?

That's something to think about.

 

[zkx14]

My dog don't know a thing about it. My cat don't know a thing period.

My dog seems to know exactly what time it is. She will often show up at precisely 5PM looking for someone to fill her food bowl. The first few days of daylight wasting time she showed up at 4PM!
Cats are aliens and know more than we do - never believe anything they tell you.
I think its interesting how many shows are on right now dealing with time travel stuff. Legends of Tomorrow, Timeless, Flash, Frequency.. All get into the change the past-change the future concept. So I gotta wonder... Are we close to being able to go into the past and 'they' are seeing what we do with the concept. Short answer: we would screw up everything. lol

 

[ScampMike]

 

[ScampMike]

We (mankind) have to "fit" things into a system... so we define time ..and nature shows us it exists. Things start "young" and "grow old" - time passes, seasons prove it. We have a system that we all recognize and accept - ALL of us have some concept of time.. even the craziest of the crazies recognizes nighttime from daytime - the passing of one day. It's not an abstract concept, it is the basis of everything. The "big bang" was a long long time ago... and it took time for things to evolve. Evolution is a concept based on time. Hey, even getting sucked into a black hole takes time...
For me, time travel IS NOT POSSIBLE - whether it be to the future or the past - "we" will never be able to go back in time.. you cannot go back and change what has already happened. Nor can we leap into the future - by definition, it has not happened yet.

 

[69conv]

I'm a lot more interested in traveling faster than the speed of light. But perhaps the 2 are interrelated. Anyhow I bet a Mopar rocket will be faster than a chebby rocket!!!!!!