1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
There sure isn't much about this work that I would call 'professional'.
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There sure isn't much about this work that I would call 'professional'.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
I've called it quits on the main undercarriage for now. I decided to paint everything black with the exception of the rectangular frame rails, ladder bars, and driveshaft loop. Because I wanted to be able to easily inspect them damage I kept with the same orange as on the roll bar.
There are several things that will have to have paint smears and drips cleaned from but I'll wait a few days until the paint has set up.
It's a pretty crappy job but I wasn't expecting perfection from a job I was doing on my back. Things are cleaner and I no longer have bare metal that looks rusty. I don't imagine many people will ever see the underside of the car so I'm satisfied. Maybe some day if I get the car on a lift I will trim off the extra brackets. If I'd have been building the car from scratch I'd have concentrated on putting a nice finish on everything and I wouldn't have anything looking like it was built from scrap (whether or not it was). - As I've said before - 'just putting lipstick on this pig.
I still haven't tried detailing out the brakes or K-member. They're easier to access so it would be easier to do.
One nice thing about giving the car a cosmetic once over is that it gives me the chance to inspect more of the car than I had before. I bought the car as a used turnkey racecar. Although I had given it a cursory inspection before taking it to the track, I hadn't exactly gone over it with a fine toothed comb. I still haven't found anything that would make the car unsafe. - Plenty of issues with workmanship though. I really don't want to tear the car completely apart to fix every flaw.
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There are several things that will have to have paint smears and drips cleaned from but I'll wait a few days until the paint has set up.
It's a pretty crappy job but I wasn't expecting perfection from a job I was doing on my back. Things are cleaner and I no longer have bare metal that looks rusty. I don't imagine many people will ever see the underside of the car so I'm satisfied. Maybe some day if I get the car on a lift I will trim off the extra brackets. If I'd have been building the car from scratch I'd have concentrated on putting a nice finish on everything and I wouldn't have anything looking like it was built from scrap (whether or not it was). - As I've said before - 'just putting lipstick on this pig.
I still haven't tried detailing out the brakes or K-member. They're easier to access so it would be easier to do.
One nice thing about giving the car a cosmetic once over is that it gives me the chance to inspect more of the car than I had before. I bought the car as a used turnkey racecar. Although I had given it a cursory inspection before taking it to the track, I hadn't exactly gone over it with a fine toothed comb. I still haven't found anything that would make the car unsafe. - Plenty of issues with workmanship though. I really don't want to tear the car completely apart to fix every flaw.
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SNKEBIT
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Just beat the crap out of it and enjoy it!!!!!!:burnout:
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
Maybe I should have gone with a different paint scheme. If I'd made the top of the car orange I could have called it 'the Red Headed Step Child '.
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1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
It's just WAY too cold to work in the garage! I'm no longer sure if Gophzilla is still out there. I think I'd be able to hear his teeth chattering.
I wussed out on working on the cars. The lure of an environment free from frostbite drove me inside. Rather than watch my toes turn black and fall off I spent the time doing research on the computer.
Every now and then my son calls me with a new item on his wish list for his Charger. Because I'm the type of guy who still struggles with the whole righty/tighty - lefty/loosey thing I find I constantly have to school myself about stuff he's considering.
Despite hearing that you're never too old to learn I've also heard that you can't teach old dogs new tricks. I'm not sure which saying will prove true. - All I know is that my head starts to hurt and I think it's already full.
He's interested in trying one of these TRUE-VIEW thermostat housings. They may be sort of gimmicky, but they do look pretty cool.
The thermostat housing wasn't difficult to research. But the next item made me feel like I was a losing contestant on Jeff Foxworthy's 'ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5th GRADER'.
DRY SUMP OILING SYSTEMS
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I wussed out on working on the cars. The lure of an environment free from frostbite drove me inside. Rather than watch my toes turn black and fall off I spent the time doing research on the computer.
Every now and then my son calls me with a new item on his wish list for his Charger. Because I'm the type of guy who still struggles with the whole righty/tighty - lefty/loosey thing I find I constantly have to school myself about stuff he's considering.
Despite hearing that you're never too old to learn I've also heard that you can't teach old dogs new tricks. I'm not sure which saying will prove true. - All I know is that my head starts to hurt and I think it's already full.
He's interested in trying one of these TRUE-VIEW thermostat housings. They may be sort of gimmicky, but they do look pretty cool.
The thermostat housing wasn't difficult to research. But the next item made me feel like I was a losing contestant on Jeff Foxworthy's 'ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5th GRADER'.
DRY SUMP OILING SYSTEMS
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1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
I know what a dry sump oiling system is. I just didn't know enough about them to be able to say much more than that I know what they are.
My son is in love with automotive things that look high tech. If flux capacitors were real, he'd want one.
(OK, O'Reilly Auto Parts does sell them)
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/EB00/121G.oap
Back to the Future..- I meant to say, back to the dry sump systems. I understand there are a number of benefits from a dry sump. It will do more than look cool and empty your pocketbook.
1)Because the oil no longer needs to be stored in the oil pan, - pans are shallower and you can gain ground clearance or drop an engine farther down towards the ground to aid in weight distribution or aerodynamics.
2)A larger oil capacity is possible with an external reservoir. That means that oil temperatures can be reduced especially if an oil cooler is incorporated with the system.
3)I have read some claims that the majority of the oil in an engine is actually in the top end of a motor when it's at high RPM. They say that under certain conditions the oil pan comes close to being empty. It's hard for me to accept this as true but who am I to question the big brains? It must be true. The fact that a significantly larger oil capacity is available would ensure you'd never run dry. - And because it's stored externally and constantly pulled from the pan, - your level would never get too high in the crankcase.
4)A multi-stage pump will not only suck oil from the engine but also air. That means it will act as a vacuum pump to give you negative crankcase pressure.
The benefit of that is more than I'd realized. I'd heard that a windage tray could prevent 15 HP from being sucked from an engine by reducing the amount of drag from splashed oil on a crankshaft. There are some sources out there that claim much bigger gains can be made with a good oiling system.
They say that when pressure builds inside the crankcase oil begins to act funny. Instead of just being flung from the crank, it will tend to ball up and adhere to it as it rotates. Apparently enough will stick that it increases the spinning weight of the crank. - So it's not just a drag from oil splashing onto the crank, but it's that, - combined with oil that wants to stick to it.
I've also read that the internal pressure robs power by increasing the amount of force necessary to push a piston down a cylinder during combustion. Some racers are able to use lower tension piston rings in engines that have negative crankcase pressure. They say the lower tension rings reduce drag and they see an increase of 20 to 40 more HP.
Whether or not low tension rings are used, they say that rings seat better with a vacuum inside the crankcase.
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My son is in love with automotive things that look high tech. If flux capacitors were real, he'd want one.
(OK, O'Reilly Auto Parts does sell them)
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/EB00/121G.oap
Back to the Future..- I meant to say, back to the dry sump systems. I understand there are a number of benefits from a dry sump. It will do more than look cool and empty your pocketbook.
1)Because the oil no longer needs to be stored in the oil pan, - pans are shallower and you can gain ground clearance or drop an engine farther down towards the ground to aid in weight distribution or aerodynamics.
2)A larger oil capacity is possible with an external reservoir. That means that oil temperatures can be reduced especially if an oil cooler is incorporated with the system.
3)I have read some claims that the majority of the oil in an engine is actually in the top end of a motor when it's at high RPM. They say that under certain conditions the oil pan comes close to being empty. It's hard for me to accept this as true but who am I to question the big brains? It must be true. The fact that a significantly larger oil capacity is available would ensure you'd never run dry. - And because it's stored externally and constantly pulled from the pan, - your level would never get too high in the crankcase.
4)A multi-stage pump will not only suck oil from the engine but also air. That means it will act as a vacuum pump to give you negative crankcase pressure.
The benefit of that is more than I'd realized. I'd heard that a windage tray could prevent 15 HP from being sucked from an engine by reducing the amount of drag from splashed oil on a crankshaft. There are some sources out there that claim much bigger gains can be made with a good oiling system.
They say that when pressure builds inside the crankcase oil begins to act funny. Instead of just being flung from the crank, it will tend to ball up and adhere to it as it rotates. Apparently enough will stick that it increases the spinning weight of the crank. - So it's not just a drag from oil splashing onto the crank, but it's that, - combined with oil that wants to stick to it.
I've also read that the internal pressure robs power by increasing the amount of force necessary to push a piston down a cylinder during combustion. Some racers are able to use lower tension piston rings in engines that have negative crankcase pressure. They say the lower tension rings reduce drag and they see an increase of 20 to 40 more HP.
Whether or not low tension rings are used, they say that rings seat better with a vacuum inside the crankcase.
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1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
Another benefit seen by getting rid of crankcase pressure is that gaskets shouldn't be as apt to leak.
They say that the big block Chrysler engine is more susceptible to problems from oil being slung around than most other motors. Because the crank is located as high in the block as it is, much of the oil gets trapped and has a more difficult time making it back down to the pan.
You'd think that I'd be sold on dry sump systems after listing some of the benefits they provide. But,... I'm still not sure.
They ARE expensive.
Most of the gains don't show until you hit higher RPM.
There is additional weight involved with these systems.
They may look cool if you do a nice install but it's a lot of stuff added to the engine compartment.
A negative crankcase pressure means that some gaskets may have to be changed.
They don't recommend open breathers with negative crankcase pressure. - They'd tend to suck dirt into the motor.
Too much vacuum inside the crankcase can starve oil from cylinder walls and elsewhere. Some builders install special piston oilers to compensate.
They say that the big block Chrysler engine is more susceptible to problems from oil being slung around than most other motors. Because the crank is located as high in the block as it is, much of the oil gets trapped and has a more difficult time making it back down to the pan.
You'd think that I'd be sold on dry sump systems after listing some of the benefits they provide. But,... I'm still not sure.
They ARE expensive.
Most of the gains don't show until you hit higher RPM.
There is additional weight involved with these systems.
They may look cool if you do a nice install but it's a lot of stuff added to the engine compartment.
A negative crankcase pressure means that some gaskets may have to be changed.
They don't recommend open breathers with negative crankcase pressure. - They'd tend to suck dirt into the motor.
Too much vacuum inside the crankcase can starve oil from cylinder walls and elsewhere. Some builders install special piston oilers to compensate.
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
What I'm wondering is whether or not most of the benefits of a dry sump system can be achieved through other means.
Larger capacity wet pans would be a benefit if worried about oil starvation.
A well designed windage tray combined with crank scrapers ought to be able to reduce drag on the cranks.
A vacuum pump should be capable of replicating part of what the dry sump system does providing you can keep it from sucking oil out.
Larger capacity wet pans would be a benefit if worried about oil starvation.
A well designed windage tray combined with crank scrapers ought to be able to reduce drag on the cranks.
A vacuum pump should be capable of replicating part of what the dry sump system does providing you can keep it from sucking oil out.
Cuda68Scott
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If this is the son that gave you the welder for Christmas, I think you should go for the dry sump or whatever else he might want for the car! You probably know more than I about dry sumps, and it seems that most people praise them if they have one. Expensive and probably overkill for a street car, but the coolness factor should would increase.
On another subject I know you have experience in is painting the underneath of your car. I wanted to freshen up the underneath of my cuda that has still has factory undercoating on it. The undercoating from age looks a little gray and dingy, but otherwise in great shape. The car is an Arizona/New Mexico car so no rust. Anyway I was considering just brushing on some black paint over the undercoating using your method - laying on carboard and wishing I was about 20 years younger. Any thoughts on this project?
On another subject I know you have experience in is painting the underneath of your car. I wanted to freshen up the underneath of my cuda that has still has factory undercoating on it. The undercoating from age looks a little gray and dingy, but otherwise in great shape. The car is an Arizona/New Mexico car so no rust. Anyway I was considering just brushing on some black paint over the undercoating using your method - laying on carboard and wishing I was about 20 years younger. Any thoughts on this project?
1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
I try to seek out information and help with research on parts for the Charger but ultimately he calls the shots on where to spend his money. The concepts of direction to go with it have changed from what his original plans were. Originally it was supposed to be a restoration with the exception of the blower. Eventually it became mini-tubbed with 4 wheel disc, a conversion to 4-speed with hydraulic clutch, aftermarket K-member, custom dash, etc... I'm just the flunky on that project.
In hindsight, it would have been a lot easier (and less messy) if I'd have used aerosol spray cans for the black on the undercarriage. The biggest reason that I had for deciding to brush the bottom side was that I already had paint left over and sitting around. When I did the bottom of the Barracuda I used rattle cans. It has undercoating on it and the spray probably gets into those little crevices better than a brush would.
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1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
One of the presents I got for Christmas was a set of paper funnycars. It may not seem like much but they were pricey. They come printed out on sheets of paper that you have to cut out and tape together.
The flat version of th PURE HELL Demon.
The same one after cutting it out and taping it together.
I photocopied them so I could make back up ones if I mess these up when I build them. I plan on taking pictures of my Duster that I can use to create a 'paper doll' version of my own car.
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The flat version of th PURE HELL Demon.
The same one after cutting it out and taping it together.
I photocopied them so I could make back up ones if I mess these up when I build them. I plan on taking pictures of my Duster that I can use to create a 'paper doll' version of my own car.
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Dropped on Head as a Baby
It's still damn cold in the garage. In order to keep busy I've been spending time with project 'paper Duster'.
In order to create my personal paper version of the Duster I needed to take photos of each side, front, back, hood, and trunk. I hope these pictures will work with what I'm trying to do.
I thought the snow might have caused problems when I drove it out onto the street but everything went OK. Some of Teresa's grandkids wanted their pictures taken with the car. It seemed a bit surreal with the combination of a race car, snow, and a half dozen rugrats but it was 10 minutes spent not having to worry about whether or not they were trying to burn down the house.
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In order to create my personal paper version of the Duster I needed to take photos of each side, front, back, hood, and trunk. I hope these pictures will work with what I'm trying to do.
I thought the snow might have caused problems when I drove it out onto the street but everything went OK. Some of Teresa's grandkids wanted their pictures taken with the car. It seemed a bit surreal with the combination of a race car, snow, and a half dozen rugrats but it was 10 minutes spent not having to worry about whether or not they were trying to burn down the house.
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Even though this is probably a complete waste of time, the thought of having a miniature 3D likeness of my car still fascinates me. I know it's not perfect, but considering it cost me about a buck, -what the heck.
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I'll try to re-do it some day when I get some heavier card stock to print on. The photo paper is pretty flimsy. I tried to mimic the way the funnycar template was made, but if I hadit to do over I'd widen the roof and windshield. Oh well...
LMAO.... As a old geezer parts guy, we would call the newbie hired ( no experience, mind you..), ank ask for a flux capacitor for a Delorean. Another was piston rings, for a early 80's RX-7 /a radiator, for an air cooled Volkswagen. Gotta teach them, somehow....
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The early 80's RX-7 piston rings, - now that's a good one!
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1967 'cuda
Dropped on Head as a Baby
When I was young I'd work outside during winter wearing a pocket T and no coat. I used to enjoy sweat running in my eyes and down my back during summer. I never noticed bugs and would never have been unnerved by the occasional sight of vermin in the shop at the farm.
I hate to admit it but I think I'm becoming a wussy. Now I like it warm during winter and cool during summer. I feel that flies and mosquitoes are singling me out as their personal torture toy. Gophers plot against me.
I still enjoy working on building stuff as much as I ever have but I feel as though I'm fighting against mother nature. I start out each winter looking forward to how much I'll get accomplished in the garage. Every year I'm disappointed by my results. Winter seems to last 6 months and the really hot days of summer seem to last another 3 months. That gives me a window of about 3 months in which to get the most done. Those months usually coincide with the period when every crawling, flying, biting pest decide to share space with me.
Here in Nebraska we're supposed to embody the pioneer spirit... - Ya, - maybe me not so much anymore. Give me a climate controlled environment that's sealed from the outside. Enough of this rant for now. I've got to go outside and scoop some snow.
AGAIN.
I hate to admit it but I think I'm becoming a wussy. Now I like it warm during winter and cool during summer. I feel that flies and mosquitoes are singling me out as their personal torture toy. Gophers plot against me.
I still enjoy working on building stuff as much as I ever have but I feel as though I'm fighting against mother nature. I start out each winter looking forward to how much I'll get accomplished in the garage. Every year I'm disappointed by my results. Winter seems to last 6 months and the really hot days of summer seem to last another 3 months. That gives me a window of about 3 months in which to get the most done. Those months usually coincide with the period when every crawling, flying, biting pest decide to share space with me.
Here in Nebraska we're supposed to embody the pioneer spirit... - Ya, - maybe me not so much anymore. Give me a climate controlled environment that's sealed from the outside. Enough of this rant for now. I've got to go outside and scoop some snow.
AGAIN.
Cuda68Scott
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I know what you mean about the cold weather, I had to think about wearing a sweatshirt last night for a walk in the neighborhood with the wife. Sorry about that, you can get back at me next July when it is 120 in my garage!
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Lol,oh the joys of nature! Shovelled for 3 hours and then another hour on the snowblower a few days ago. Opened the door and there was a foot of new snow...
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Dropped on Head as a Baby
It's gotta be miserable up there! I'm never quite sure what expression to use when conversing with you foreigners north of the border.
CRIKEY! - sounds too Australian.
BLIMEY! - sounds too British.
HOLY CRAP! - sounds too American.
If only there wasn't such a language barrier....
I'll have to brush up on my Canadian. Looks like I'll have to re-watch episodes of CORNER GAS and Dudley Do-Right.
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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!! Just be sure to drink strong beer and say "EH" a lot!!
When I opened the door and saw the snow ...Well I can't repeat it on this family oriented forum:violent1:. But it had to be done. If not it all melts and then freezes overnight. You have an instant no effort hockey rink!
Corner gas is a hoot! Brent Butt actually recently did a Corner Gas movie. It was only in theatres for 3 days. I gues he felt CG is a cult thing...But that meant it hit the TV quick,and I was able to watch/record it. If anything it was funnier than the show.Interestingly,the entire movie was financed by donation.
Brent Butt is a genius. He is actually good friends with my wifes older brother. They play poker on the weekends. Maybe one day I'll get to shake his hand. Im a fan...
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I don't imagine that most folks in the U.S. have ever heard of CORNER GAS but it's one of the best comedies I've ever watched. - I've actually watched the entire series more than once. - And I did see the movie too.
I take it you're not from Woolerton.
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PHTOOOOIE!! ( Hawks a big loogie)...
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JACK*SS! Lol!
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