Are body guys still using lead?

[Kemper]

[ 72bluNblu​

" Don’t ruin another thread. No “body guys” use fiberglass on metal bodied cars. And no “body guy” with any level of integrity would do that work even if asked to, because they wouldn’t want to ruin their reputation with butchery.
If you’re not working on a Corvette, you’re not using fiberglass. " - post # 21 ]

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I think most everyone uses fiberglass on metal bodied cars , at least a certain amount . A purist may not, but if you look on youtube,as an example. I think you will get an idea of what most people do . So ,as a blanket statement that is not true.

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[ 70SwingerGuy​

" Bodyfiller(Bondo is a 3M brand name) is meant to final level a surface after having proper metalwork/repairs completed; the better your metalwork, the less bodyfiller you need(and want) to use. It is NOT meant to be used in any other way. " post # 93 ]


["Bondo® has a wide range of fillers that can be used for almost any repair application. Whether you're fixing dents, removing rust, or patching holes, our fillers can provide an effective solution. " ]

Please show some credibility by not posting false information to get your point across.

 

[jos51700]

I have added Missouri to the list of places you should not drink the water

I see that you're in New Orleans.

It's pretty clear that you don't know which direction the Mississippi River flows, nor where Missouri is in relation to that flow, nor do you seem to recognize that New Orleans is literally upstream of nothing, as evidenced by the levees surrounding your fair city, which means that you are effectively downstream of virtually everything. Last I checked, most of the water under your feet is salt water.

So where, exactly, do you think your drinking water is coming from?

 

[340six]

Bondo door

 

[70SwingerGuy]

70SwingerGuy​

" Bodyfiller(Bondo is a 3M brand name) is meant to final level a surface after having proper metalwork/repairs completed; the better your metalwork, the less bodyfiller you need(and want) to use. It is NOT meant to be used in any other way. " post # 93 ]


["Bondo® has a wide range of fillers that can be used for almost any repair application. Whether you're fixing dents, removing rust, or patching holes, our fillers can provide an effective solution. " ]

Absolutely true, and if you actually knew how to do proper bodywork, you would know that the bodyfiller goes on AFTER you have properly repaired the damage, whether it be dents, rust, or patching panels as I stated in the post you quoted. The 3M advertising does not say to slap three inches of it in a dent to fix it, it does not say that you can use it to remove rust, it is quite misleading actually, what they should have said in their advert was that it is an "effective solution for final leveling after your metalwork has been completed". You would know that if you had any real skill in the trade, but you dont, hence my comment why you cant understand and figure that out for yourself.

Please show some credibility by not posting false information to get your point across.

The information is not false, it is your ignorance that leads you to believe that because you cannot understand it.
I have YEARS of credibility behind me in the shop, you sir are just a backyard hack who lacks ANY credibility whatsoever and I refuse to debate this any further with you because like I said, you simply cannot and will not understand what is being told to you by any of us who actually know what we are doing.
Its like arguing politics with a goddamn toddler ffs.
I'm out.

 

[Kemper]

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Absolutely true, and if you actually knew how to do proper bodywork, you would know that the bodyfiller goes on AFTER you have properly repaired the damage, whether it be dents, rust, or patching panels as I stated in the post you quoted. The 3M advertising does not say to slap three inches of it in a dent to fix it, it does not say that you can use it to remove rust, it is quite misleading actually, what they should have said in their advert was that it is an "effective solution for final leveling after your metalwork has been completed". You would know that if you had any real skill in the trade, but you dont, hence my comment why you cant understand and figure that out for yourself.

The information is not false, it is your ignorance that leads you to believe that because you cannot understand it.
I have YEARS of credibility behind me in the shop, you sir are just a backyard hack who lacks ANY credibility whatsoever and I refuse to debate this any further with you because like I said, you simply cannot and will not understand what is being told to you by any of us who actually know what we are doing.
Its like arguing politics with a goddamn toddler ffs.
I'm out.

Nah, respectfully, you posted false information and got caught . Boring to see you try to weasel out with exaggerations.


" Bodyfiller(Bondo is a 3M brand name) is meant to final level a surface after having proper metalwork/repairs completed; the better your metalwork, the less bodyfiller you need(and want) to use. It is NOT meant to be used in any other way. " post # 93 ] - 70SwingerGuy


["Bondo® has a wide range of fillers that can be used for almost any repair application. Whether you're fixing dents, removing rust, or patching holes, our fillers can provide an effective solution. " ]

 

[70SwingerGuy]

 

[harrisonm]

I had bought a lead kit from Eastwood but I have not used it yet, i was kinda nervous to try it because I am not familiar with working with lead.

I bought it because I changed a tailpanel on a 71 duster and it cracked on the seams where I used plastic because at the time I changed the panel all I had was the plastic filler.
Lasted about a month and half and cracked through the new paint.

So I was going to try the lead on my next Thanksgiving vacation project, I have a top to replace on a 70 duster but now that I read this thread I think I'll use that metal filler instead..... probably safer than the lead

There are LOTS of good videos on YouTube.

 

[72bluNblu]

I think most everyone uses fiberglass on metal bodied cars , at least a certain amount . A purist may not, but if you look on youtube,as an example. I think you will get an idea of what most people do . So ,as a blanket statement that is not true.​

No, most everyone does not. And YouTube is not a viable source. I can watch videos about how the Earth is flat on YouTube, so, clearly there is absolutely both bad and completely false information there. Some of the automotive repair videos are absolutely horrendous.

The car is fine . I've been around bondo my entire life untill I was old enough to buy new cars . It's a better job than I've seen that lasted years here on Missouri roads in a work truck I drove.

I look forward to seeing your thread updated in 5 years with the condition of your car then. Truly I do.

Name-calling ,exagerating, misinformation and lying is not going to change that.

Everything I said is based on what I have seen. No exaggerations or misinformation, and absolutely not a single lie. My strong opinion is based directly on real life experience and having seen the results of all the types of work discussed here.

For my money, being able to weld, use lead (body solder) and replace metal with metal are the better skills to learn and to have, and the higher quality and longer lasting result. And anyone willing to learn, practice, and make some mistakes can be successful at all of those techniques. You don't have to be a professional or spend tens of thousands of dollars to do it right.

If anyone would like to discuss actually doing lead work, feel free to DM me and I'd be happy to help.

 

[Kemper]

I went out and hugged my mopar this morning . Not a real big hug so, don't think I'm weird or anything. I think it was happy that I've been pampering it . Last owner left it looking like **** for years because they were a " perfectionist " .

 

[340six]

I went out and hugged my mopar this morning . Not a real big hug so, don't think I'm weird or anything. I think it was happy that I've been pampering it . Last owner left it looking like **** for years because they were a " perfectionist " .

Holding the Fiberglass and Bondo in place is not going to work long term

 

[Kemper]

Holding the Fiberglass and Bondo in place is not going to work long term

Yeah,we know that it may or may not last as long as metal work done to factory specs that we have proof failed. Those metal replacement jobs have something to compare them to and we know it is a failed system long term.

But, it depends on how the vehicle is maintained as to how long a repair will last. It's certainly more enjoyable to me to do something in a different way than something I know failed.

 

[ir3333]

I can't believe this is still going on. Modern resins and epoxies are bullet proof if used properly.
All hi end resto shops completely skim coat and block the whole car with filler as many as 3 times on bare metal,
finished bodywork or epoxy, ...and modern plastics and glues are used extensively on new cars. Short or long
strand fiberglass and resin is used effectively on larger voids where strength and weatherproofing is required.
Someone posted bare metal and body fill should be covered with a primer sealer. It would be better to cover bare metal and body work with epoxy, DTM or 2K primer. Primer sealer is usually used to provide an even color for topcoats.
If you don't agree with me me it's ok...just do it your way! There are many ways to accomplish quality body work, body repair and paint.

 

[Kemper]

I can't believe this is still going on. Modern resins and epoxies are bullet proof if used properly.
All hi end resto shops completely skim coat and block the whole car with filler as many as 3 times on bare metal,
finished bodywork or epoxy, ...and modern plastics and glues are used extensively on new cars. Short or long
strand fiberglass and resin is used effectively on larger voids where strength and weatherproofing is required.
Someone posted bare metal and body fill should be covered with a primer sealer. It would be better to cover bare metal and body work with epoxy, DTM or 2K primer. Primer sealer is usually used to provide an even color for topcoats.
If you don't agree with me me it's ok...just do it your way! There are many ways to accomplish quality body work, body repair and paint.

Good post .To adress your initial concern - the reason this is still going on is because some are using exaggerations and showing examples of things that were not done according to what they are comparing to. I doubt they ever took into consideration the things you pointed out.
And your post is right on point of the OP of this thread.