Big Block Exhaust Manifold Comparison?

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A 1964 383 two barrel was given a factory hp rating of 305 with a two barrel carb, .390 lift cam and single exhaust.

A 67 A body 383 was given a 280 hp rating with 516 heads and 1.60 exhaust valves, a 256/260 duration cam with .425/.437 lift, low rise intake and a small AFB four barrel plus DUAL EXHAUST.

A 68 A body 383 got a higher rise intake, AVS carb, 906 heads with 1.74 exhaust valves, same cam as 67. HP rating was 300.

A 69 A body 383 got all the 68 stuff plus the hi-po 383 and 440 cam with 268/276 duration, and .450/.465 lift. HP rating was 330.

A 69 A body 440 got essentially all of the 383 A body stuff only with 57 more cubic inches. HP rating was 375 - same as B body hi-po 440s.

A 67 B body 383 was given a 325 hp rating, same engine as in the A body except for the exhaust manifolds. Want to see how much better the 67 B body manifolds were? Here you go (A body top, B body bottom):

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By the way, here is an A body 383 driver's side manifold compared to a 340 driver's side manifold. Remember, the 383 got a 2.25 inch pipe coming off it, the 340 got something like an inch and 7/8, PLUS is had a huge dent in it to clear the torsion bar.

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Now, because the early A body 383's had fewer rated hp than the later ones, many assume the later A body manifold was better. Well, I have one of each. The later A body manifolds were designed to clear power steering, not gain horsepower. Look at them side by side. The late manifolds are flatter (narrower) than the early ones to go around the steering box. The late manifolds also make a sharper turn to go down to the exhaust pipe flange.

Here, late top, early bottom.

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Here, early left, late right.

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I haven't flowed these two manifolds, or dyno tested them on a running engine, but the early ones sure look to me like they would flow better.

One more thing, the non-hi po B body 383s were rated at 325 hp in 67, 330 in 68-69. None had the hi-po cam. Note that the B body 330 horse 383 is NOT the same as the 69 A body 383. The non-hipo B body 383s in 68-69 had the standard cam, the A body 383s in 69 got the good Road Runner/GTX cams.

Note also, that the big cam was supposedly only 5 horsepower better than the standard cam in the B body 383 (330 vs. 335), but 25 hp better in a B or C body 440 (350 vs. 375) and 30 hp better in an A body 383 (300 vs. 330)

One more thing about that 280 hp rating in the 67 A body 383s. Hot Rod Magazine put a B body 383 on an engine dyno. Supposed to have 325 hp; they got 280.

And while most contemporary road tests showed the 383 A body running low fifteens in the quarter, Super Stock and Drag Illustrated got theirs to run 14.70s just by shifting manually at 5500 instead of letting it shift at 4200 in drive. (Nothing special about the governor in A body 383 Torqueflites.)

All of the contemporary road tests were skeptical of the 67 A body 383's hp rating or the claim that it lost 45 hp because of the so-called restrictive exhaust system. And really - is there any way its exhaust manifolds could be that bad? Or so bad that they lost 25 hp compared to a 64 two barrel, dinky cammed, single exhaust 383?

C'mon folks. Back in the fifties and sixties, the manufacturers all played games with their horsepower ratings. A 58 Ford FE 352 that was supposed to have 300 gross hp but only made 200 on a dyno? A 67 Mopar 383 that was supposed to have 325 gross hp, but only made 280 on a dyno? And there are many more examples. FACTORY RATINGS IN THIS ERA WERE NOT GOSPEL

OK, rant over.





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Very interesting info, thanks. And your last comment sums everthing up perfectly!
There’s a Car and Driver list of fastest cars from AC Cobras to 427 vettes and the M-code GTS is number 20 all time, my thought is that if it’s that high on the list the manifolds aren’t that terrible.
 

You seem to already know by all the road tests you’ve seen and read, so isn’t that good enough? You could always rear wheel dyno your car?
Good luck
One of the magazines did that back in the day with a factory M code. They concluded after all of the calculations regarding drive train power loss that the engine was right at 375HP and the manifolds didn't cost one red cent for HP.
 
Damned if I know.. .I can't keep up with the Wife driving the'67 x 383 4 gear.. but she appreciates correct parking ..LOL
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In the early 80s I pulled a 383 out of a 68 Chrysler. It was 4 barrel with dual snorkel air cleaner. It had a pie tin but I can’t remember what it said. It had HP manifolds with dual exhaust. Single springs with a damper, and a windage tray. Pistons are flat top almost flush with the top of the block. After a re ring job that motor went into my 68 dart. Kim
 
People often forget one thing. The cylinders aren't firing at the same time. It's not like that's not TONS of room for one cylinder to fire at the time. You're working with pulses here. Dissect one and you'll see there's a good bit of room there.
At 5000 rpm one cylinder fires 12.5 times per second. X 4 cylinders on the same side is 50 times per second exhaust is being jammed through that crimped off opening?
 
At 5000 rpm one cylinder fires 12.5 times per second. X 4 cylinders on the same side is 50 times per second exhaust is being jammed through that crimped off opening?
Yeah I get it. Still a pulsed flow, regardless.
 
Be a good comparison to do the HP A body vs HP b body manifold.

Mostly I just like to argue, lol, but you’re probably right. Likely no difference.
I'd like to see them all. Even the C body manifolds. Stock vs HP. The C body ones actually look like they'll flow. But looks can be deceiving.
 
Done? You mean as for good?
Oh yeah, they're done. Dulcich and Frieburger were released/laid off/ fired, and EM went away. Motor trend TV won't even show reruns. I'm glad I have 50 or so shows on my dvr. Whether they'll ever do a similar show is unlikely, in my opinion
Who will pay for the dyno time?
 
Oh yeah, they're done. Dulcich and Frieburger were released/laid off/ fired, and EM went away. Motor trend TV won't even show reruns. I'm glad I have 50 or so shows on my dvr. Whether they'll ever do a similar show is unlikely, in my opinion
Who will pay for the dyno time?
That kinda blows.
 
That kinda blows.
There's a lot of the Motor Trend show video on the You Tube channel "Roadkill Reborn." There are several Engine Masters episodes.


Also Hot Rod Garage, Roadkill Garage, Roadworthy Rescue, etc, etc...

Some of the content has been posted for several months. So it appears the channel is either owned or authorized by Motor Trend. Or whoever owns it now.
 
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