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Brittany Force Is Officially The Fastest Person In NHRA History Story by Brad Brownell • 1h •
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You first tough guy.
It's funny, I respectfully posted on a JFR FB page that any of the dozens of top nitro drivers could have driven that car Austin Prock drove to 340+ and Britney Force replied and agreed! No name calling, no hard feelings.
This is after everyone proclaiming that Austin Prock is some sort of amazing driver to do that in a nitro car.
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Mike Dunn took a high up position at IHRA a few years ago. He soon left. Just like the announcer AlanThat was a great moment. An announcer told it the way it really was.
It was so obvious that Force threw the race. If only he knew then, what he knows now...Hight hooking up with a Traxxas Girl, then subsequently divorcing Force's Daughter.
You guys wonder where Hight went? He didn't leave Funny Car due to health reasons, as stated. Force kicked him out of the family and race Organization.
Mike Dunn was the greatest NHRA announcer to come along since Steve Evans.
They should bring him back into the fold at new IHRA, he knows his stuf!
Reinhart, they hired him and he left a few months later. IHRA seems like damaged goods.
Wonder why Alan Reinhart and NHRA couldn't make a deal, others seem to stay around a long time. Growing pains?
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Yunick13
3 Time FABO NASCAR champ 2023 FABO NHRA champ
Big argument over a team effort. Journalist's fault for incorrect wording
MiradaMegaCab
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Hmm, isn’t it actually 1000’ and not 1320 (a quarter mile) race….
That was My 1st thought......so We'll never know how fast it really would've went in the 1/4.....
I freely admit I would be the 1st person to stage a Top Fueler and not launch it when the lights came on. Nope, no way I'm stepping on that loud pedal. And if you're honest, I'm not alone!!
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
Yup exactly. Like I said there are a handful of people in the WORLD that can do it well.
They are built to run 1000 feet, it won't run another 320' they will expire first.
NHRA went to 1000' to slow them down after a big name guy perished in a crash. The high top speeds made the shutdown area to short.
harrisonm
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harrisonm
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That is absolutely true. I have often wondered if the cars built for 1000 feet could go full blast for 1320 feet. At 60MPH, you are going 88 feet per second. So at 341MPH, you are going 500 feet per second. So at 500 feet per second, it will take about 0.64 seconds to travel that extra 320'. So could those engines go at FULL BLAST for another 0.64 seconds without falling apart???
As I remember, It didn't take them long to get their speeds back up to the 1320' level.
Did you watch the Jim Dunn video, he says the driver can only make the car go slower by making a mistake.
She is a great driver, and a champion. Their are a dozen TF drivers out there right now capable of doing this. Their cars can't do it, that's why nobody else has gone 340 except JFR cars. And they have done it many times each in both TF and funnycar. Why can only JFR cars go 340+? Their team knows something nobody else does. It's the car not the driver.
But top speed doesn't make any money, race wins and championships make the money and keeps or adds more sponsors. Look how many sponsors JFR cars have. He has been a sponsor master his whole career. He could get sponsors before he even won a race.
She is a great driver, and a champion. Their are a dozen TF drivers out there right now capable of doing this. Their cars can't do it, that's why nobody else has gone 340 except JFR cars. And they have done it many times each in both TF and funnycar. Why can only JFR cars go 340+? Their team knows something nobody else does. It's the car not the driver.
But top speed doesn't make any money, race wins and championships make the money and keeps or adds more sponsors. Look how many sponsors JFR cars have. He has been a sponsor master his whole career. He could get sponsors before he even won a race.
Speaking of good drivers, Gary Densham. Never won a race until Force added him to the team in 2001. He needed a good car to succeed.
Read here from 2001
Force returns kindness by adding Densham to team
Now 2004 Densham has won 6 races with JFR and set the national speed record with Jimmy Prock tuning, see a recurring theme now?
Densham to Drive for Force One More Year
Here is the story of the first meeting of Densham and Force.
Read here from 2001
Force returns kindness by adding Densham to team
Now 2004 Densham has won 6 races with JFR and set the national speed record with Jimmy Prock tuning, see a recurring theme now?
Densham to Drive for Force One More Year
Here is the story of the first meeting of Densham and Force.
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Jim Dunn says the driver can only slow the car down by making a mistake, they can't speed it up. I believe him, he has a few decades of experience, still going at it today.
Post #17 click the video and listen close at 6:30
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All of these TopFuel cars have more power than the platform can handle, it would simply be a matter of a gearing change get the last 320' in, and the speeds would be higher......which is why they shortened the contest length..... as previously stated, insufficient coast-down/run-off at a number of tracks, and to get the speeds down.
The times & top speeds are an electronic dance now, the available traction & electronically controlled clutch programming is what is determining the success of these cars.
The times & top speeds are an electronic dance now, the available traction & electronically controlled clutch programming is what is determining the success of these cars.
BVoelzke
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Just IMO 1,000 ft doesn't count .. and yes I understand the reasoning to get away from 1/4 mile
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
The current cars won’t run to 1320 because of the rpm limit NHRA sticks on them. They’ll expire before 1320 or just sit at the rev limiter until they expire. It would take a gearing change, likely a tire (diameter) change and valve train stuff to get another 320 feet out of em. Of course they could (and would) do it if the finish line were still there.
@413 there is more than just the JFR cars going 340 mph. Kallita cars have done it, and Tasca has done it. It’s just natural progression.
@413 there is more than just the JFR cars going 340 mph. Kallita cars have done it, and Tasca has done it. It’s just natural progression.
Nothing is simple on a TF car. So just toss some different gears in and go another 320 feet. Not so much. These are not bracket cars with a big Holley, headers and slicks
They have Rob Flynn talking here about the engines and going 340. Notice he is talking about the car going 340, not the driver.
Top Fuel and Funny Car Engines - Engine Builder Magazine
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You can keep posting redundant assertions all You want, & pushing the magical mystical 1000' only engine stuff..if the mark was still 1320', they would go the distance & faster....the power & engineering is already there. Period.
I don't need to notice He's not talking about the driver Sport, My last post already pointed it out,....track & clutch programming is the only reason these cars do ANYTHING approaching what they do, without them it'd be a sideways smoking sh*tshow of mechanical & human carnage. The days of pedaling it to a win are pretty much over.
"It's not a bracket car w/headers & a Holley"......Ayuck ayuck ayuck, snort,.......no sh*t Sherlock.
Obviously it's basically true, that the car has to be capable 1st for the driver to be able to do it, but seems to be a weird point to bring up and argue about then no driver should get any recognition for any accomplishment.
If they lower a basketball hop to 3 feet off the ground a lot more people would be able to be NBA stars
wmdj5
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Obviously, there's a team involved.
I wouldn't dare try to belittle or take anything away from anyone on the team.
Great Job!
I wouldn't dare try to belittle or take anything away from anyone on the team.
Great Job!
ValiantKevin
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I think you are belittling her a LOT in this statement actually... plus, I mean 341 mph in 1/4 mile, probably 99.7% of humans would pass out from the G's, discredit he all you want but I'd be willing to bet if you put ANY other pro driver in her car, gave them 5 passes, they STILL don't beat her time. She's legit!
Jesus H Christ. Every thread doesn't have to be a damn argument. Celebrate the event,congratulations to the team,and shut up.
Most here are far smarter than me car wise but don't know when to shut up.
Most here are far smarter than me car wise but don't know when to shut up.
TheRacerDave
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It sounds like many on here don't fully understand the modern TF and the driver's role. Essentially today's cars are automatic; they simply need someone to hold the pedal down the whole way. Whether or not any of us has the cojones to do that is another discussion. The performance is 100% what the tuner (crew chief) has set the car up for. And that setup is a very scientific process taking into account the track's grip, atmospheric conditions, etc. and tweaking the many available settings to get maximum performance. Perhaps the single most important thing to get right is the clutch application timers to get through the "shake zone" (approximately the first 300'), but sometimes it involves taking power out of the engine.
Crew chiefs set the car up to run a certain number based on data, and if everything works as intended the car will run that number. The only reason it will go slower is mechanical failure or a driver mistake (as Jim Dunn said). But the driver cannot, no matter what, make it go faster than it is set up for. How many times have you heard an interviewer asking a crew chief what the car will run before the run, and the car runs it, or within a hundredth or two? They already know what the car will run based on their tune-up and are rarely surprised by it going quicker, although often disappointed it didn't run the number they expected. It's never, "if he drives it hard it will be fast!" It's a very calculated run that can be executed perfectly - or flubbed by the driver. Note that they never predict speed because speed doesn't win races - ET + reaction time does.
It's not the old days of slipping the clutch with your foot, pulling or holding the brake to prevent wheelspin, or feathering the throttle to control it. In those days a skilled driver could affect the performance of the car, but not anymore. Today it's slam the pedal to the floor and keep it going in a straight line. Where a driver can make a difference and win races is with a good reaction time or feeling the car well enough to pedal it (lift and reapply throttle) when the tires begin to smoke.
So 413 is not wrong to say any competent driver can make the same run in that car. It's the car, not the driver. But to Brittany's credit, she is good at not making the driving mistakes that make the car run slower than it is set up for.
And of last night Brittany ran 343.16 mph (!) because conditions were excellent, and crew chief David Grubnic is THE MAN!
Crew chiefs set the car up to run a certain number based on data, and if everything works as intended the car will run that number. The only reason it will go slower is mechanical failure or a driver mistake (as Jim Dunn said). But the driver cannot, no matter what, make it go faster than it is set up for. How many times have you heard an interviewer asking a crew chief what the car will run before the run, and the car runs it, or within a hundredth or two? They already know what the car will run based on their tune-up and are rarely surprised by it going quicker, although often disappointed it didn't run the number they expected. It's never, "if he drives it hard it will be fast!" It's a very calculated run that can be executed perfectly - or flubbed by the driver. Note that they never predict speed because speed doesn't win races - ET + reaction time does.
It's not the old days of slipping the clutch with your foot, pulling or holding the brake to prevent wheelspin, or feathering the throttle to control it. In those days a skilled driver could affect the performance of the car, but not anymore. Today it's slam the pedal to the floor and keep it going in a straight line. Where a driver can make a difference and win races is with a good reaction time or feeling the car well enough to pedal it (lift and reapply throttle) when the tires begin to smoke.
So 413 is not wrong to say any competent driver can make the same run in that car. It's the car, not the driver. But to Brittany's credit, she is good at not making the driving mistakes that make the car run slower than it is set up for.
And of last night Brittany ran 343.16 mph (!) because conditions were excellent, and crew chief David Grubnic is THE MAN!
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