Carb Suggestions

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I have not used a choke since 1984. I don't do carbs with chokes since 1984. I drive my junk year around. I live in a high valley desert. I drive my car well below freezing. I've driven it in in single digit temps. No choke. And that's with a Strip Dominator intake. I've never, ever had a carb freeze like many claim.

I've never seen a choke do anything but make the oil dirty and wash down the cylinder walls. You don't need it. If you can't get the engine started and let it warm up for two minutes before you drive it, a choke won't help.

I ran an 800 double pumper with a manual choke on a hot 406sbc , worked and ran very well , " 10.40`s in a vega, and 11`s in a pick up" , Manual choke, best of both worlds.
Just don't forget and push it off as soon as possible ---
 
I ran an 800 double pumper with a manual choke on a hot 406sbc , worked and ran very well , " 10.40`s in a vega, and 11`s in a pick up" , Manual choke, best of both worlds.
Just don't forget and push it off as soon as possible ---


I know guys use them. Before you could by a main body without the choke horn, I made a mint milling off the choke horns of Holley carbs. In fact, I did it with a hack saw and a file. And I did it so well the hacksaw and file method paid for my first mill to do them in a mill.

I never had anyone come back and complain that they wanted a choke back on it. Now I just tell them to buy a carb without the choke.

Most guys set the choke to completely block off air flow. And it just makes them pig rich.

If you can learn to start them without the choke, you'll never go back.
 
I know guys use them. Before you could by a main body without the choke horn, I made a mint milling off the choke horns of Holley carbs. In fact, I did it with a hack saw and a file. And I did it so well the hacksaw and file method paid for my first mill to do them in a mill.

I never had anyone come back and complain that they wanted a choke back on it. Now I just tell them to buy a carb without the choke.

Most guys set the choke to completely block off air flow. And it just makes them pig rich.

If you can learn to start them without the choke, you'll never go back.

Mostly agree,but my 505 w/ a victor is pretty cold natured till it gets up to 185-190, wasn't that way w/ a torquer 2, eve w/ fuel inj. on both .
Have been thinking about running the heater hoses thru the underside of runners , touching as many as feasible to see if it would help. Altho not terribly worried about it -----
 
My experiences with 440s has always been, if they have been modified, they need more than a 750. Closer to stock? 750 is great once dialed in. Add headers, cam, intake?...a bigger carb, once properly setup will kick it's butt. Tuned right, they can have every bit the off-idle response but deliver more pull from the midrange on up. Be honest to yourself about your goals with it and go from there..

I agree. 750 should be considered a minimum. They were seriously under carbureted from the factory. At least in single four barrel applications. Any upgrades like cam, intake and headers with a hot ignition curve and they'll suck down a Holley 950 HP all day long. You could probably tune a 1050 Dominator to run well on one.
 
I have a Weiand intake, full MSD ignition and headers.......auto 727 trans

I was told by the P.O. that the motor has a small cam, but unsure what

Should I go bigger than a 750?

It will just be a driver to take to local shows and to have some fun with
 
I am looking around for a new carb for my Duster with a 440
What's wrong with that one that's on there?
I need to replace the carb, soon!!

I want to get a 750 cfm double feed/pumper, manual choke
Why? Again. What's wrong with the one that's on there now?
Other than the choke tower cut off, that could be be what is on there now.
Have you run the engine?

If that carb has its original metering blocks, the stampings on the top edges may indicate the List number.
Since it has a secondary accelerator pump, its a 'double pumper'.
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I would like to stick with a dual fed carb and redo the fuel plumbing that's on the carb currently
Changing that plumbing is a great idea. Either use real AN-hoses, preferably pre-made kit, or hard lines with short sections of rubber hose connecting the fuel filter. Make sure the filter's outlet is higher than the inlet - just like Chrysler told their techs back in 1963. Can problably use factory line (or repop) from the pump to the filter.

The throttle return spring looks overextended. maybe not at idle but at full throttle. Get a longer one or pair.
I will be installing an Edelbrock 1723 mechanical pump soon
OK. Looks like there's a good reason based on the way the feed hose is routed in the photo.
What CFM should I look for and what features are important.
Depends on how use etc. The 'rating' is most important for high rpm, top gear.
I have a Weiand intake, full MSD ignition and headers.......auto 727 trans

I was told by the P.O. that the motor has a small cam, but unsure what

Should I go bigger than a 750?

It will just be a driver to take to local shows and to have some fun with
If you're just driving around town, parades and car shows, then IMO the most important features will be its ability to meter at low throttle and handle heat.

I have a Wieand 7512 manifold, if that matters


Notice that even with that hopped up engine, the manifolds producing the max torque at the lowest rpms were the stock and the Eddy RPM.
Do not get the air gap for what you're doing. Especially when running without a choke.
4150 is a style of carb, not the model #. Usually model # is stamped on the metering block just behind the float bowl.
That's true in plain English.
Technically not so by Holley's terminology.
In Holley speak, 4150 is a model.
The engineering "List number" stamped on the choke tower or elsewhere is the specific version of the model.

So in Holleyspeak the List 3310 that RRR offered is a model 4160 if it has a secondary metering plate, or 4150 if it has a secondary metering block.

I was told I need either a manual or electric choke, had to run one......no?
Because with the manifolds being discussed, you can't run the factory all mechanical chokes.
Since we know nothing about the engine, its hard to guess whether any choke will be helpful in your situation.
I like the idea of a choke, but on a hot rodded engine they can be very difficult to make work as well as a factory choke on a factory setup.

Get the thing running. Buy or barrow a tachometer and vacuum gage, and see what the engine is doing at idle.
 
Measure the venturi bores and throttle plates. That'll help you determine what you've got now if the numbers aren't visible.
This^^^^^^
Flip it over. The throttle plates have numbers stamped on them. That will get you half way there.
Venturi is harder. Will need some inside calipers, or dividers and a ruler.
 
Mattax,

Thanks for the info and suggestions to help me to understand this better

I will start by buying a dual feed line kit.......much cheaper than a carb also!!

Should I get one with or without a pressure guage?
 
.........connecting the fuel filter. Make sure the filter's outlet is higher than the inlet - just like Chrysler told their techs back in 1963.

Do you suggest a certain kind or type of filter? Do you have a pic for reference?
 
I agree. 750 should be considered a minimum. They were seriously under carbureted from the factory. At least in single four barrel applications. Any upgrades like cam, intake and headers with a hot ignition curve and they'll suck down a Holley 950 HP all day long. You could probably tune a 1050 Dominator to run well on one.
Yes I haven't had the need (yet!) but I've seen where folks get real good results with that 950HP.
 
.........connecting the fuel filter. Make sure the filter's outlet is higher than the inlet - just like Chrysler told their techs back in 1963.

Do you suggest a certain kind or type of filter? Do you have a pic for reference?
Not really.
This where they show it on the 'B' engine
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Carburetion and Performance Diagnosis (Session 188) from the Master Technician's Service Conference

'71 Plymouth FSM - basically the same location.
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Although later the same '71 FSM shows a vapor seperator located there on 440 equiped cars.
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The seperator returns vapor to the fuel tank. Not sure what your car has/was set up for.
Just a filter will do to get you started.

Lots of choices on dual feed lines. Along with pro's and cons on each.
Something to be aware of is the fittings are not all interchangable.

This type uses 3/8" inverted flare tubing connection fittings.
Mr. Gasket 1552 Mr. Gasket Fuel Line - 3/8" Dual Inlet - Chrome

The current fittings on your carb may 5/16" inverted flare.
I actually like Holley's 5/16 version better than their 3/8" because of the 2nd pair of flats for a wrench.
The hex flats are difficult to get a wrench on while tightening or loosening the flare fittings.
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The black metal ring is the seal to the bowl.
The brown one is for carbs with sintered metal filters inside. Nice idea if the tanks or lines are rusty. Most hot rodders toss 'em.

Other feed lines use AN fittings. Just something to keep an eye out for.

I only put a gage onwhen there is a problem I'm trying to troubleshoot. That's just me. Everyone has their preferences.
 
Great info, thanks again

Why does the filter need to be angled or positioned like that?
 
Since the carb might have gas inside, I figure I will take if off and drop it off for a rebuild

Even if the price tag is $100, it's still cheaper than a $400 carb

I will get a dual feed line also, with the optional fuel pressure gauge port
 
After the carb is removed, I will look for more numbers and get some measurements, to try to ensure it's a 750

No need to pay for a rebuild if its too small
 
For a basic cleaning, there's nothing to it.
Take the bowls off. Four screws each.
If the gaskets are old brown or black material, seperating the bowl from the block may require patience.

A set of bowl and block gaskets is the main thing.
If the accelerator pump diaphrams are very old or damaged, replace them.
If the accelerator pump's use an umbrella type check valve, make sure its not distorted.
That's about it for parts needed for a basic cleaning and check over.
Also needed will be carb spray, a clean cookie sheet or pan. Two is even better. Eye protection.

Read the relevant sections of this book and you'll understand what your looking at.
Amazon.com: Buying Choices: Holley Carburetors & Manifolds: HPBooks-339
The relevant sections are the first pages about how the carburetor works, and the ones with cutaway and example photos.
Ignore the Holley marketing.
I think there is a little graphic showing how combustion products vary with fuel mixture. That's kindof cool too.
 
I took the carb off, so I will get some pics shortly

The bore openings, measured from the bottom of the carb, are around 42.50 MM

There was some gas in it, which smelled foul

I found a small hole also in the Weiand manifold, directly under the carb......I will get pics of that also. This really concerns me. Neighbor said it's for a sneaky nitrous line? Not sure
 
There is the factory threaded port with a plug in the rear of the intake , no issues there

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Finding this directly under carb worries me:

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I think these are 1 - 11/16 " throttles
Measure the openings in fractional inches, then look on the Holley list linked above.
The most common old school double pumpers are the 4776 - 4780 and most are 1- 11/16" throttle bores both primary and secondary.
 

Looks like the EGR passage. Does this intake have the EGR provision in the valley in the back of the intake?
 
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