Early A header options - tuned RPM ranges

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Here's my contribution to community service..

If you've got an early A, this is something you're familiar with header options.
But if you are like me, you're frustrated with the lack of spec's on the Big3 of header manufacturers. Mainly on header primary length. Even if it were a ball park..
Of coarse, I'm speaking of Doug's, Hooker, and TTI.
When I began my early A project, the TTI's were on backorder, with no production date in sight and the promise of a price increase. They were the ones I wanted.
Doug's were 'in stock' and only $590. Hookers were available too and a bargain at $544, but there was no way I was cutting my pretty red fenders. Especially for a 1 5/8 tube.
My Dart was coming together quickly and I NEEDED headers. I chose the Doug's.
NOW, since I've upgraded my 360, those Doug's are WAAY TOO SMALL.
So, for the majority of my fellow proud owners of early A's... here's what I've done.

If you are a racer, you will be familiar with the header design software, PipeMax. By Larry Meaux. I simply reversed engineered the headers to find expected RPM ranges for each engine listed.
This is the tuned rpm range for the tube size and collector. this is the 'happy range' for each engine/header combo. There will still be a positive effect on torque below these ranges.
What I've done is laid out 2 possible/typical engine scenario's for the 273, 318, 340, 360, and the 408 to have perspective to what the expected RPM ranges would be for each engine/header combo.
Scenario 1 is: .030 over, cam 220/226 @ .050 x.470 lift 110° LCA and installed on 106° centers, 1.6 Exh valve, and at 100% VE (yes, it's optimistic)

Scenario 2 is: .030 over, cam 230/236 @.050 x .500 lift 110° LCA/106° centers, 1.6 Exh valve, 100% VE.

Note: if your cam is bigger, your header will have to be bigger also.
While some of you may argue, this is too simple, I agree. Other factors contribute. The idea here is to show the trends in engine/header relationships.

Scenario 1 Doug's/Hookers 1 5/8 x 2 1/2 collectors
273 - 5k-7500 rpm (race only, duh) use HP manifolds
318 - 4k -6500 rpm (this does not mean it will be 'dead' under 4k)
340 - 3600-6100 rpm
360 - 3300-5800 rpm
408 - 2600-5100 rpm Unless you're pulling a camper, use the TTI's

Scenario 2 TTI's 1 5/8 x 1 3/4 step (first step is too short, basically straight 1 3/4)

318 - 5k-7500
340 - 4800-7300
360 - 4300-6800
408 - 3500-6000

Feel free to argue some of the data if you wish. I just wanted to provide a perspective for those who've always wondered and could not find the answers online..
 
So base 273 Commando's should go with 273 Hi Po manifolds....?
 
Yes. A set of shorty's in a 1 1/2" OD would be a good choice too. Or possibly a set of HiPo 340 manifolds. If you have a set, but I'm not sure they'll fit the early chassis.

If you would like, give me your bore size, cam specs, CR, and valve sizes, and I'll run the program for your motor.
 
If you would like, give me your bore size, cam specs, CR, and valve sizes, and I'll run the program for your motor.
Cool program. I should get it myself and expand my mind & knowledge a little more. Where did you get the pipe max program?
Here’s some (LOL) work for you.
Thanks.

Bore size 4.1
CR 11.5-1 - (min.)
Valves 2.08-1.60
Cam @.050 (solid flat tappet Ultradyn race cam)
Intake - 49 BTDC 69 ABDC
_____ - 83 BBDC 41 ATDC
 
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Bore size 4.03
CR 11-1
Valves 2.08-1.60
Cam @.050 (Lunati solid roller tappet)
Intake - open 18.5 close 50.5
Exhaust- close 13.5 open 61.5
 
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Bore size 4.03
CR 10.-1
Valves 2.02-1.60
Cam @.050 (solid flat tappet)
15.5 BTC int
52.5 BBC exh
43.5 ABC int
12.5 ATC exh
(Hughes grind HEV3945AS)
 
Pretty sure both 340"s won't fit...the left side get sure
 
Cool program. I should get it myself and expand my mind & knowledge a little more. Where did you get the pipe max program?
Here’s some (LOL) work for you.
Thanks.

RumbleFish !!
Yes, it is a cool program. One of only two in existence, that I know of..
Unless you can afford something by Ricardo. But I don't think it will project header combinations. I think you would have to 'game-out' one header at a time to find your ideal header.

Larry Meaux pioneered the software back in '90 (?) Larry often opines on the SpeedTalk forum with some really valuable info gleaned from his long racing/engine building career. (a mopar guy)
For $75 you can down load your own copy (up to 3 computers) here: PipeMax v3.95
It's PayPal friendly.

Next, I will run your first combo and include a screen shot of the open program, so you can see the input fields and part of the output data. (which is vast) There are other calculators too. My money says you'll have a blast with it :)
 
Bore size 4.1
CR 11.5-1 - (min.)
Valves 2.08-1.60
Cam @.050 (solid flat tappet Ultradyn race cam)
Intake - 49 BTDC 69 ABDC
_____ - 83 BBDC 41 ATDC

Ok, I had to make some assumptions here, as you will see in the input field at the top of the snapshot.
Can you verify my assumptions are correct? also too, pipe diameters are OD based on a .065 wall thickness. So you will have to measure your headers or tubes you will be using for a more accurate calculation.
Also, notice in the 3rd line in the output field, where it gives the approximate rpm range of the header calculated. You can vary the 'Peak HP RPM' field, up or down, if the range does not fit your combo and to find your ideal header.

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Thanks. I just figured my numeric assault would at least show the different header sizes when the info is changed up a bit to the forum. This topic is a really cool one. figuring out the best header tube size and length is what I would call a deeper black magic to most after camshafts.
LMAO
 
Bore size 4.03
CR 11-1
Valves 2.08-1.60
Cam @.050 (Lunati solid roller tappet)
Intake - open 18.5 close 50.5
Exhaust- close 13.5 open 61.5

Ok, for the 360: Looks like a TTI fits the bill here...
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Cool! Looks like the TTI headers will do fine.
 
Bore size 4.03
CR 10.-1
Valves 2.02-1.60
Cam @.050 (solid flat tappet)
15.5 BTC int
52.5 BBC exh
43.5 ABC int
12.5 ATC exh
(Hughes grind HEV3945AS)

Looks like a generic SB 1 5/8 x 3" collector is on par here...
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Going to run a pretty stock 273 Commando motor as delivered by Chrysler with the 10.5 pistons and solid lifter cam thru a 4 speed and most likely 3.23 sure grip...like maybe just surprise some folks...
 
The Hookers flange port shapes are too small for even the 340 heads exhaust pattern. Check your gasket tracks if you use them and elongate your mounting holes if needed. Hookers SC's are equal lengths, dont know about the others. Hedman used to make W2 sized husslers (1 7/8?) for the narrow A, a while ago.
 
Thanks. I just figured my numeric assault would at least show the different header sizes when the info is changed up a bit to the forum. This topic is a really cool one. figuring out the best header tube size and length is what I would call a deeper black magic to most after camshafts.
LMAO

So, you assaulted him. Does this mean he's part of the #metoo movement now?
 
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