Electric cars

[69_340_GTS]

Not sure of power generation in other states, but in CA power generation emissions are much cleaner than emissions from vehicles from strictly a tailpipe emissions standpoint. For instance, NG power plants in CA must meet a 2ppm NOx concentration limit out of the stack. What are what are the NOx emissions from a new combustion engine driven car?

Tier 3 EPA (2017) standards are:
"NMOG+NOX Standards: The standards for NMOG+NOX are fleet-average standards, meaning that a manufacturer calculates the weighted average emissions of the vehicles it produces in each model year and compares that average to the applicable standard for that model year. The standards differ by vehicle class and test cycle. Key elements include:  NMOG+NOX Standards for Light-Duty Vehicles and Light-Duty Trucks (vehicles below 8,500 pounds (lbs) Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)), and Medium-Duty Passenger Vehicles (8,500 to 10,000 lbs GVWR): • As measured on the Federal Test Procedure (FTP), the standards decline from today’s fleet average of 160 milligrams per mile (mg/mi) to 30 mg/mi by 2025. • As measured on the Supplemental Federal Test Procedure (SFTP), the standards decline from today’s fleet average of about 200 mg/mi to 50 mg/mi by 2025."
How you convert mg/mi to ppm is anyone's guess.

 

[diymirage]

Can't charge your car at night with solar.

Maybe some lunar panels.

Seems fitting since most of the people who drive these cars are loonies

 

[grimreaper]

Kenzie's points are valid. I too appreciate his "down to point" nomenclature. In the world of transportation, these proclamations are old news. Mr. Wainwright did not produce a date for that article. Non the less, the path to fossil fuel independence has to start somewhere. Hydrogen fuel is much more efficient at making electricity than an internal combustion engine. I agree some of these advances of electric propulsion should not be funded by the hand of tax payers. Most civil advancements do fall on to the hand of tax payers.

In the current commercial quantity plants I'm familiar with hydrogen is produced by releasing it from fossil fuels or from cracking water by spraying steam on white-hot coals and out comes mostly hydrogen gas (40 percent) and carbon monoxide (50 percent). The carbon monoxide produced along with the hydrogen is highly poisonous. To extract the remaining energy, the carbon monoxide needs to be burned, and that turns it into the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide.

 

[Jadaharabi]

Hydrogen is produced by spraying steam on white-hot coals and out comes mostly hydrogen gas (40 percent) and carbon monoxide (50 percent). The carbon monoxide produced along with the hydrogen is highly poisonous. To extract the remaining energy, the carbon monoxide needs to be burned, and that turns it into the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide.

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I thought the hydrogen was produced by cracking water. Giving off the HHO.

 

[grimreaper]

Yup, when the H2O is processed you get hydrogen and carbon monoxide. The "don't leave your car running in the garage stuff

 

[Jadaharabi]

Yup, when the H2O is processed you get hydrogen and carbon monoxide. The "don't leave your car running in the garage stuff

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When H2O is broken down you get 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen. There is no carbon dioxide in the breakdown of water.
It's also called Brown gas. When the HHO Gas is separated you have hydrogen and oxygen and the oxygen is breathable.

 

[grimreaper]

Brown's Gas, Book 1 | www.eagle-research.com

 

[Jadaharabi]

Brown's Gas, Book 1 | www.eagle-research.com

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I find the HHO fascinating. They have had welding machines that use this technology for many years.
I think between the breaking down of water to produce energy and the use of magnetism, that we could pretty much cure the need for oil and petroleum products other than for lubrication.

 

[69_340_GTS]

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...between the breaking down of water to produce energy and the use of magnetism, that we could pretty much cure the need for oil and petroleum products other than for lubrication.

Uh, what about plastics, resins, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, and all the other chemicals that are refined or distilled from oil and natural gas? You'll never get rid of petroleum or the need to drill for it. And after you make all your plastics and whatnot, you'll have a bunch of "other" stuff left over... called fuel.

 

[gzig5]

There is no free lunch.....

 

[Jadaharabi]

Uh, what about plastics and all the other chemicals that are refined or distilled from oil and natural gas? You'll never get rid of petroleum or the need to drill for it. And after you make all your plastics and whatnot, you'll have a bunch of "other" stuff left over... called fuel.

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Aren't the cars that were built prior to 1971 neater than the cars built after 71.
71 up are loaded with plastic.
Never said we would go completely away from petroleum but I believe there are better ways that we should go in our future.
Just like using vegetable oil to make cheese for your cheese sandwich.
Don't give up there's people working on this stuff.

 

[grimreaper]

Here is an idea..tow a generator!

That would not be very responsible as the generator would burn fossil fuel. Tow a wind generator! The wind from going forward would recharge the battery and if you pulled a big one you could generate surplus and sell electricity back to the grid when you hook to the charger at night

 

[spl440]

You never gain energy, you would use more energy towing a wind generator with a electric car than you would get out of it.

 

[pishta]

Tow a wind generator! The wind from going forward would recharge the battery...

Visions of Wile E.Coyote pushing a sail skateboard with a fan....or a bathtub boat with the showerhead as the propulsion jet.

 

[Mopar87]

Is it bad that I want an electric vehicle but not a commuter?I want an all electric offroad 4x4 because the electric drive offers instant torque,and with 4 hub motors it could have more ground clearance and tighter turning than anything else out there.Just needs enough "range" to power the vehicle for a weekend.

 

[diymirage]

Is it bad that I want an electric vehicle but not a commuter?I want an all electric offroad 4x4 because the electric drive offers instant torque,and with 4 hub motors it could have more ground clearance and tighter turning than anything else out there.Just needs enough "range" to power the vehicle for a weekend.

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