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The Accel is definitely massive old school, & came with a BR, so I have not removed it & do not plan too. It has been in this config for 2 years now, & I see not reason to change it. I too was a bit skeptical about not running a ballast & chose not to temp fate. :D

Thanks for taking the time & effort fleshing out the entire DUI landscape.
 
Well, it appears there are other points of view about this.. LOL, & wow, this looks like the typical "which oil is better, octane boosters?, & Hp vs Torque threads" :lol:

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread.../re-accel-yellow-supercoil-input-voltage.html

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[td]I dont run any ballast with my Accel super coil as I run a full 12 volts to it. I run the orange MP ECU box and have been running it like this almost 2 years. I used to run a .75 ballast but I read an article and heard a few say they dont run any ballast and have been fine. So I thought for the heck of it I would try it. I carry a spare coil , ECU and ballast as I figured if anything burns out I would hook the ballast back up and replace the part. But after running the eng for over a 1/2 hr the coil was still nice and cool. It does not get hot at all and neither does the ECU. So it gives me a hotter spark if needed and seems to work great with the Accel super coil. Course it may not work with all coils but I have been running mine like this for almost 2 years with no trouble ever. I just bypassed the ballast and left it on the firewall in case I wanted to hook it back up but I do not plan to hook it back up. Ron[/td]
 
The Accel is definitely massive old school, & came with a BR, so I have not removed it & do not plan too. It has been in this config for 2 years now, & I see not reason to change it. I too was a bit skeptical about not running a ballast & chose not to temp fate. :D

Thanks for taking the time & effort fleshing out the entire DUI landscape.
If you are running the huge Accel, some of those were required to run an Accel supplied ballast IN SERIES WITH the OEM ballast. Ditto the old huge Mallory rectangular coils. I WOULD NOT RUN THEM ANY OTHER WAY than specified.
 
Understood. So the worst case scenario is I have to buy a new coil to replace the fried 1 I bought 30 years ago for $45? lol! Then I should buy a newer coil that can handle to voltage, right?:D In the search for more knowledge, Ive sent an email to Hot Rod magazine asking for clarification, as well as 1 to the seller of my ignition system. Ill share what they say here. Far be it for me to discount the input from the Aussie MOPAR fanatics. Imho, they know more about the Slant Six better then anyone. :thumbsup: Thru my limited research its not so much the coil that I need to be concerned about, its if the MCU transistor within the Dizzy can handle the full 12 volts(?) I guess the BR is to lower the voltage for the oem points style Dizzy, not the Coil. Several knowledgeable Folks on that other board, have weighed in on their experience & have stood by them that their old Acell super coil which required a BR back then, never once got excessively hot, (which would indicate to me the coil wasnt designed to handle the voltage increase), or failed on them after 2 years of use w/o using a inline BR.

Good conversation, very informative...

UPDATE: This may have answered my question.. from the HR article. Im going to assume that since my Dizzy still has a vacuum advance, the MCU will not handle the increased voltage....
With the rotor facing the 7 o'clock position we swapped out the points for the PD Tri-Power electronic distributor. Notice the Dyna Mod module in place of the vacuum advance unit. This strong-spark ignition improves response so much that the vacuum advance unit isn't needed anymore. PD uses a tried-and-true Sun distributor machine to dial-in a smooth advance curve for your combination.

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Understood. So the worst case scenario is I have to buy a new coil to replace the fried 1 I bought 30 years ago for $45? lol! Then I should buy a newer coil that can handle to voltage, right?:D In the search for more knowledge, Ive sent an email to Hot Rod magazine asking for clarification, as well as 1 to the seller of my ignition system. Ill share what they say here. Far be it for me to discount the input from the Aussie MOPAR fanatics. Imho, they know more about the Slant Six better then anyone. :thumbsup: Thru my limited research its not so much the coil that I need to be concerned about, its if the MCU transistor within the Dizzy can handle the full 12 volts(?) I guess the BR is to lower the voltage for the oem points style Dizzy, not the Coil. Several knowledgeable Folks on that other board, have weighed in on their experience & have stood by them that their old Acell super coil which required a BR back then, never once got excessively hot, (which would indicate to me the coil wasnt designed to handle the voltage increase), or failed on them after 2 years of use w/o using a inline BR.

Good conversation, very informative...

UPDATE: This may have answered my question.. from the HR article. Im going to assume that since my Dizzy still has a vacuum advance, the MCU will not handle the increased voltage....


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I'm not sure what You're talking about here, and I don't think You are either. You stated that You switched to an electronic dizzy & OEM-style 4-pin ECU, this simply means a magnetic reluctor-induced pulse pickup & a std. mech./vacuum advance system, it has nothing to do with that system/dizzy You pictured above. What You picture is an HEI conversion, not an OEM(Mopar) ECU, is what You are running? If so, You would not have a vac canister in the dizzy at all, Hoppy's HEI conversion plates do not block/omit the use of the OE vacuum advance unit. He could tell You more about that.
Unfortunately, recent(last 10yrs...?) issues with MSD products for the commonly used upgrade systems have suffered a quality hit for the predictable reasons. I have seen great results from those back 15-35 years ago, but these great products & companies are being absorbed/conglomerated by venture-capital investment corporations, with a target profit margin & no other real priority.
 
Because your generalised statement in post #11 is incorrect....

Del is also incorrect because the MSD CD boxes have a capacitor that is charged with DC current, which is then [ the capacitor ] discharged into the coil.
Dude, I swear to Christ You look to post here just to be a tool-bag, what Steve posted is correct. THERE IS POWER TO THE POINTS WITH THE KEY IN THE IGNITION ON POSITION, AND THE POINTS SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME CLOSED, THUS COIL GET HOT &/OR POINTS BURN UP. The OP stated what vehicle & that it was 'stock', but the chance exists it was converted from points ign. to something else w/o the OP being aware, hence RRR's post.....be sure of what You have so We can help You.
I worked on cars for a living at a time when cars w/points were in the shop every day, I had to constantly remind Myself to stop if was checking an electrical issue, & disconnect the ballast or dizzy wire....or work quickly & keep cycling the key for each check. It was a routine thing to be aware of, wtf Dude........
 
I'm not sure what You're talking about here, and I don't think You are either. You stated that You switched to an electronic dizzy & OEM-style 4-pin ECU, this simply means a magnetic reluctor-induced pulse pickup & a std. mech./vacuum advance system, it has nothing to do with that system/dizzy You pictured above. What You picture is an HEI conversion, not an OEM(Mopar) ECU, is what You are running? If so, You would not have a vac canister in the dizzy at all, Hoppy's HEI conversion plates do not block/omit the use of the OE vacuum advance unit. He could tell You more about that.
Unfortunately, recent(last 10yrs...?) issues with MSD products for the commonly used upgrade systems have suffered a quality hit for the predictable reasons. I have seen great results from those back 15-35 years ago, but these great products & companies are being absorbed/conglomerated by venture-capital investment corporations, with a target profit margin & no other real priority.
What ever you say.....
 
Killer,
Take your nonsense somewhere else. What I said was correct. I was adjusting ign points in 1964. Three years later I was using an SCR [ look it up ] to switch the coil on/off.
 
Killer,
Take your nonsense somewhere else. What I said was correct. I was adjusting ign points in 1964. Three years later I was using an SCR [ look it up ] to switch the coil on/off.
Hmmmmmm, so when the OP stated that He found the issue to be a bad ign.sw., how could that possibly create a "hot coil" condition..........Massa N. Gill....??
 
Killer,
Steve's FIRST post in this thread was #11, where he said: key in switch, the coil is energised, engine not running. I replied next post #12. I am sure Steve is a nice guy, but what he said as a blanket statement was wrong & is still wrong.
 
Killer,
Steve's FIRST post in this thread was #11, where he said: key in switch, the coil is energised, engine not running. I replied next post #12. I am sure Steve is a nice guy, but what he said as a blanket statement was wrong & is still wrong.
The OP posted the concern in post #1, answered the question of ballast/coil/ign. type in post#3...STOCK.....which means points, Steve's post pointed out the facts I stated above; points & key on......better than 50/50 chance, points closed & coil is energized. Only YOU took Steve's post as a "blanket" statement, He addressed the OP in regards to the OP's car, never said 'all cars/ignitions' anywhere in His short to the "points" post. Now back to watching the water swirl bassackwards for Ya'.
 
I took it as a blanket statement...because it was a blanket statement; there was no qualification or mention of what type of ign system was being referred to. Between the original post & my post:
- the OP said the ign sw was faulty
- others chimed in asking what type of ign system.....but got no answer
 
Ain't it considered normal operation for coils to get hot? Askin for a friend.
 
Yes, they do get hot. Of course they get even hotter when mounted on the engine for obvious reasons. Just having the coil in the engine bay, it is going to absorb the engine bay heat. I have my coil & ign system mounted under the dash to keep it cool.
 
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