Me too. It makes the slant in Vixen almost jump outta the hood.
It's a Different Kind of Factory Mini-Starter, Charlie Brown!
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good morning guys, I dont want to hijack Dans thread, i have a stock 340 build going now and i would like to use the Dakota starter that i hear so many good things about.
Does anyone have a PN and a vendor?
also what year Dakota starter should i be looking for?
thanks to all..Rich
Does anyone have a PN and a vendor?
also what year Dakota starter should i be looking for?
thanks to all..Rich
Dan, I read your article about the sounds of these cars, and I'll add one. We lived about an hour from my grandparents, sometimes driving home late after a visit, my sister and I dozing in the backseat. I can still hear the random ka-chunk as Dad operated the floor-mounted dimmer switch. This was in our '68 Fury III.
slantsixdan
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Woody500
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My 1st gen Cummins(93 D250) has a huge lump of a Leece-Neville starter!
No, that's the starter he started (see what I did there?) this thread about.
Thanks Rusty, would you guys recommend that starter or the Dakota mini starter....Im not trying to start a big race engine, just my stockish 340.
I do want to use a mini starter and i wanted to use the Dakota starter, is the one Dan recommended over kill for me?
What are the pros and cons for each starter?
I do want to use a mini starter and i wanted to use the Dakota starter, is the one Dan recommended over kill for me?
What are the pros and cons for each starter?
slantsixdan
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On a stock-ish motor, either type will work well and weigh less; pick which one's most readily accessable.
I had to grind my 400 to get the RobbMC starter or any mini starter to fit. Plenty of iron there.
(Copying the tech info and pics over from .org):
This Bosch starter's main body is ~same diameter as the other starters, and slightly longer than the 56029274AA '05-'08 Ram Hemi/MT starter made by Mitsubishi (not as much longer as it looks; the different division between steel motor frame and aluminum front casting creates the illusion of much longer).
Its solenoid is clocked such that on a Slant-6 it protrudes outboard more than the block-hugging one on the Ram Hemi starter — this is probably what also makes the Hemi Ram starter not fit B-motors, which looks to me like the opposite-clocked solenoid on the Bosch starter would enable a B-motor fit.
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Cranking speed (i.e., starter torque) is audibly higher than any other starter I'm aware of that'll bolt onto a '62-'02 RWD Mopar:
This Bosch-type starter's power rating is 1.8 kW, which is a whomping 2.4+ horsepower. Compare the first-design Chrysler geared starter (1.3 hp), the second design (1.5 hp) and the extra-big 3rd design (1.8 hp), and the Nippon/Denso unit everyone thinks of when you say "mini starter" at 1.9 hp. The Hemi/MT item is 1.7 kW (just under 2.3 hp). So with the Bosch starter you're gonna win the starter-horsepower bench race every time.
Other than bragging rights, this kind of extreme starter power is unlikely to be actually needed on a Slant-6 application or on most V8s; for high-compression motors I can see it being a real nice alternative to spending hundreds of dollars on an aftermarket hot rod starter (Powermaster, etc).
One advantage of this starter over the Hemi Ram item is that it just bolts right on. Drop in and go. You don't have to drill out threaded holes or (on a 6-cylinder install) buy a special countersink bolt as the Hemi Ram starter requires.
For what it's worth, Amminazon thinks it weighs 9 pounds, 5 ounces.
Here's 10+ availability at a pretty nice price.
Pics (Chrysler, Bosch, Mitsubishi, Nippon/Denso):
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(Copying the tech info and pics over from .org):
This Bosch starter's main body is ~same diameter as the other starters, and slightly longer than the 56029274AA '05-'08 Ram Hemi/MT starter made by Mitsubishi (not as much longer as it looks; the different division between steel motor frame and aluminum front casting creates the illusion of much longer).
Its solenoid is clocked such that on a Slant-6 it protrudes outboard more than the block-hugging one on the Ram Hemi starter — this is probably what also makes the Hemi Ram starter not fit B-motors, which looks to me like the opposite-clocked solenoid on the Bosch starter would enable a B-motor fit.
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Cranking speed (i.e., starter torque) is audibly higher than any other starter I'm aware of that'll bolt onto a '62-'02 RWD Mopar:
This Bosch-type starter's power rating is 1.8 kW, which is a whomping 2.4+ horsepower. Compare the first-design Chrysler geared starter (1.3 hp), the second design (1.5 hp) and the extra-big 3rd design (1.8 hp), and the Nippon/Denso unit everyone thinks of when you say "mini starter" at 1.9 hp. The Hemi/MT item is 1.7 kW (just under 2.3 hp). So with the Bosch starter you're gonna win the starter-horsepower bench race every time.
Other than bragging rights, this kind of extreme starter power is unlikely to be actually needed on a Slant-6 application or on most V8s; for high-compression motors I can see it being a real nice alternative to spending hundreds of dollars on an aftermarket hot rod starter (Powermaster, etc).
One advantage of this starter over the Hemi Ram item is that it just bolts right on. Drop in and go. You don't have to drill out threaded holes or (on a 6-cylinder install) buy a special countersink bolt as the Hemi Ram starter requires.
For what it's worth, Amminazon thinks it weighs 9 pounds, 5 ounces.
Here's 10+ availability at a pretty nice price.
Pics (Chrysler, Bosch, Mitsubishi, Nippon/Denso):
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So which one of these mini starters is B engine friendly?
slantsixdan
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We have a report that the Mitsubishi ('05-'08 Hemi Ram with manual trans) starter will not fit a B-engine, which suggests the Bosch item that is the subject of this thread, probably will.
Please identify the iden
What is the industry part # for the Bosch unit?
Woody500
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Yes please, no part # has been stated yet
See post #30. He has posted a link. 2000 or 2001 Durango with 318 or 360.
Woody500
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No Part # has been stated yet.
mopowers
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It's in the link.
I have the Dakota starter on Vixen and it works fine.
Can anyone verify that the Bosch starter that @slantsixdan posted would work with TTI headers? I'm shopping for a starter for my small block stroker. Thanks
I would like to know that the answer to that question as well, the forementioned starters seem to fit better at the block, but what about clearance with headers on the other side with the clocking of the solenoid
(Copying the tech info and pics over from .org):
This Bosch starter's main body is ~same diameter as the other starters, and slightly longer than the 56029274AA '05-'08 Ram Hemi/MT starter made by Mitsubishi (not as much longer as it looks; the different division between steel motor frame and aluminum front casting creates the illusion of much longer).
Its solenoid is clocked such that on a Slant-6 it protrudes outboard more than the block-hugging one on the Ram Hemi starter — this is probably what also makes the Hemi Ram starter not fit B-motors, which looks to me like the opposite-clocked solenoid on the Bosch starter would enable a B-motor fit.
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Cranking speed (i.e., starter torque) is audibly higher than any other starter I'm aware of that'll bolt onto a '62-'02 RWD Mopar:
This Bosch-type starter's power rating is 1.8 kW, which is a whomping 2.4+ horsepower. Compare the first-design Chrysler geared starter (1.3 hp), the second design (1.5 hp) and the extra-big 3rd design (1.8 hp), and the Nippon/Denso unit everyone thinks of when you say "mini starter" at 1.9 hp. The Hemi/MT item is 1.7 kW (just under 2.3 hp). So with the Bosch starter you're gonna win the starter-horsepower bench race every time.
Other than bragging rights, this kind of extreme starter power is unlikely to be actually needed on a Slant-6 application or on most V8s; for high-compression motors I can see it being a real nice alternative to spending hundreds of dollars on an aftermarket hot rod starter (Powermaster, etc).
One advantage of this starter over the Hemi Ram item is that it just bolts right on. Drop in and go. You don't have to drill out threaded holes or (on a 6-cylinder install) buy a special countersink bolt as the Hemi Ram starter requires.
For what it's worth, Amminazon thinks it weighs 9 pounds, 5 ounces.
Here's 10+ availability at a pretty nice price.
Pics (Chrysler, Bosch, Mitsubishi, Nippon/Denso):
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Dan, you might wanna check your starter link. It appears to have been changed to the regular Chrysler mini starter.
slantsixdan
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But this link still goes to the correct starter.
Thank you!
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