Mystery of the smoking nuts

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There are flat pads on the backing plates that the frames of the shoes make contact with. They are supposed to be greased. If not, the shoes can potentially bind and not return properly. Did you put a dab of high temp grease on each pad? I think there are two for each shoe.
 
There are flat pads on the backing plates that the frames of the shoes make contact with. They are supposed to be greased. If not, the shoes can potentially bind and not return properly. Did you put a dab of high temp grease on each pad? I think there are two for each shoe.
Would think 3
 
If the brake-shoes are not fully retracting, yur gunna see them not sitting against the top anchors.
Here are la few reasons for this. In order of likelihood;
Mechanical;
1) park brake strut engaged
2) park brake cables not releasing
Hydraulic;
3) fluid not returning to M/C. This can be due to
a) w/c slugs sticking in their bores, or
b) collapsed hoses, or
c) internally rusted brake lines. This usually takes place in the lowest parts of the rear lines, where water collects, like under the driver's seat.
I've never seen it in front disc brakes.
d) compensating port not open. This could be an adjustment if a recent replacement, but on ancient ones, the hole is usually rusted shut. I just drill it out as a matter of course; but don't drill into the seal! You can often tell if the port is closed by the fluid not roiling on pedal release.


Unrelated to brake drag,
is rearend drag or rear wheel-bearing adjustment;
>like as if the axle is allowed to carry the drum into contact with the shoes. or
>If the gear oil is not serving it's secondary function as a coolant anymore and the lash goes away. or
>if the fluid level is too low, and the pinion bearing is going away.
>Don't forget; tapered bearings have to be grease-packed; they do NOT share oil with the differential. Well, they're not supposed to.
BTW,
>if your rear tires are not the same diameter, then differential action is called into play, which will make heat inside the diff. which will go into the oil, then the housing and simultaneously, the axles.
>also
Soft, undersized or overloaded tires, will make plenty of heat due to carcass-flex, some of which goes into the air inside the tires, then into the wheels which are bolted to the axles and drums. Sometimes the tires get so hot that they explode.
 
When I rebuilt my 65 Barracuda 9'' brakes, I had to weld very worn grooves on backing plates, every pad worn. Then I used my dial indicator & straightened the backing plates after installation, mounting dial on axle flange. Was years ago, don't remember how far out they started.
 
When I rebuilt my 65 Barracuda 9'' brakes, I had to weld very worn grooves on backing plates, every pad worn. Then I used my dial indicator & straightened the backing plates after installation, mounting dial on axle flange. Was years ago, don't remember how far out they started.
I used to MIG & level those all the time, very common...
 
Last brake issue I had was the rear soft hose at rear axle. It was sorta plugged. Yea I had changed out everything to new except that!!!!!! Just because the rubber brake hose looks good, maybe not!:BangHead::thumbsup:
Yep, this happened on My '64 GT 'vert., it was packed full of ****, so was the line.
They will collapse inside
Let brake fuild flow one way (under pressure)
And not return
And this happens as well, teflon liner splits, sometimes collapses, sometimes makes a flapper that can block or trap fluid.

Also on models with hose guide/mounting brackets, the metal wrapped around the hose can rust & squeeze the hose until it traps residual pressure in the hose, causing the caliper to drag & heat up the brakes. If You've got a caliper tight, or releases after several seconds, pump it up then quickly crack the bleeder.....You'll get Your answer immediately. It's a 50/50 if You spread the bracket & knock the rust out that the hose will recover, if so You're good, if not it goes in file #13.....
 
There are flat pads on the backing plates that the frames of the shoes make contact with. They are supposed to be greased. If not, the shoes can potentially bind and not return properly. Did you put a dab of high temp grease on each pad? I think there are two for each shoe.

Did not do that. Corrected that last night.
If the brake-shoes are not fully retracting, yur gunna see them not sitting against the top anchors.
Here are la few reasons for this. In order of likelihood;
Mechanical;
1) park brake strut engaged
2) park brake cables not releasing
Hydraulic;
3) fluid not returning to M/C. This can be due to
a) w/c slugs sticking in their bores, or
b) collapsed hoses, or
c) internally rusted brake lines. This usually takes place in the lowest parts of the rear lines, where water collects, like under the driver's seat.
I've never seen it in front disc brakes.
d) compensating port not open. This could be an adjustment if a recent replacement, but on ancient ones, the hole is usually rusted shut. I just drill it out as a matter of course; but don't drill into the seal! You can often tell if the port is closed by the fluid not roiling on pedal release.


Unrelated to brake drag,
is rearend drag or rear wheel-bearing adjustment;
>like as if the axle is allowed to carry the drum into contact with the shoes. or
>If the gear oil is not serving it's secondary function as a coolant anymore and the lash goes away. or
>if the fluid level is too low, and the pinion bearing is going away.
>Don't forget; tapered bearings have to be grease-packed; they do NOT share oil with the differential. Well, they're not supposed to.
BTW,
>if your rear tires are not the same diameter, then differential action is called into play, which will make heat inside the diff. which will go into the oil, then the housing and simultaneously, the axles.
>also
Soft, undersized or overloaded tires, will make plenty of heat due to carcass-flex, some of which goes into the air inside the tires, then into the wheels which are bolted to the axles and drums. Sometimes the tires get so hot that they explode.
Started chipping away at this. Got the brakes to sit in the top anchor by moving the parking brake cable ring but the front shoe doesn’t seem to come back flush after a few uses.

A lot of comments about the flexible hose. Going to replace that. Also seeing the MC starting to drip. Would make sense there is some pressure build up issues. Hoping it’s not the rest of the brake line but guess I should figure out how to flush those and hope I dont have to replace just yet. Any specific function of the screw on top of this Tee I am missing?
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…no idea what the compensation port is and google/manual is failing me. Also sounds like an accurate set of symptoms
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Hoping the heat issue is hydraulic. I’ll give the rest of the rear end a look. So far the differential didn’t seem to be heating up much, just both brakes and hubs. Still need to dive deeper on both sides but seems like previous owner replaced the tapered bearings with green bearings, everything is oiled up and mostly smooth. Kinda feels like a “clicky”when I spin the hubs but not preventing anything from rolling or making noises.

After that, it’s back to the mystery rub that’s been through two sets of shoes and two drums on the driver side.

Keeping an eye out for a junk valiant rear end as my plan c
 
Did not do that. Corrected that last night.

Started chipping away at this. Got the brakes to sit in the top anchor by moving the parking brake cable ring but the front shoe doesn’t seem to come back flush after a few uses.

A lot of comments about the flexible hose. Going to replace that. Also seeing the MC starting to drip. Would make sense there is some pressure build up issues. Hoping it’s not the rest of the brake line but guess I should figure out how to flush those and hope I dont have to replace just yet. Any specific function of the screw on top of this Tee I am missing?
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that's the breather for the rear end. it's a hollow bolt with that top hat on it.
Keeping an eye out for a junk valiant rear end as my plan c
if you get to plan C shoot me a DM
 
I really enjoy all the new cars how they don't have an automatic trans dipstick anymore. And the "say" the fluid is lifetime. Well it is. Never needs changed, trans dies early.

But if you do change it the trans will last longer.

The sheep believe this bull doogy dodo-dodo.
Don't forget to thank the Business Brains who have decided to dedicate their lives to getting rich from everthing just mentioned, and not caring about their actions in any other way.
It's OK, inflation doesn't bother me/us.
Its Ok, we're helping people by helping their stock values.
It's OK, we're helping people by sending jobs overseas.
It's OK, We're helping people by lowering prices by shipping cheap products from China.
It's OK if we never lower prices back down after bad times, everyone got used to it.
It's OK that business schools don't teach the value of not cashing in to retire early.
It's OK we don't care what any of this does to our communities, workers, or country anymore.
It's OK that we've spend so much profits to pay Lobbyists to affect the government in our favor.
It's OK, For Us, to put the blame where it actually belongs.
 
I've seen 375k on an audi never got a trans service or shocks or struts
But it did start leaking from a trans line and then he smoked the trans
 

The reason they did away with dip sticks
Cause no one new how to use them
And people would over fill a
Then the aeration will kill the trans
Fuild hot can expand a quart or two
 
The reason they did away with dip sticks
Cause no one new how to use them
And people would over fill a
Then the aeration will kill the trans
Fuild hot can expand a quart or two
Poor excuse to modify a proven system so the .5% of idiots in the world won't step on their own foot.
 
Yea most i work on need to be on a lift
Level
Certain temp
Then pumped in
 
The reason they did away with dip sticks
Cause no one new how to use them
And people would over fill a
Then the aeration will kill the trans
Fuild hot can expand a quart or two
Thats why they always needed a Full Cold Mark & instructions to then recheck Hot.
Guess they think that's too deep for the General Public to grasp.
 
Poor excuse to modify a proven system so the .5% of idiots in the world won't step on their own foot.
More than 5% nowadays.

QUOTE; "Think how dumb the average American is. Now realize that 50% are dumber than that" GEORGE CARLIN

And considering how long he's been dead, the number must be larger now. Especially with how they've successfully dumbed down the schools.
 
I really enjoy all the new cars how they don't have an automatic trans dipstick anymore. And the "say" the fluid is lifetime. Well it is. Never needs changed, trans dies early.

But if you do change it the trans will last longer.

The sheep believe this bull doogy dodo-dodo.
Can't believe they do that lifetime fluid sht. My main driver is a 2013 impreza sport and those are well known to have trans issues.. like conplete failure at a low mileage. Now ..they say change the trans fluid every 60k. I got my garaged impreza at 85k and the fluid/filter was never changed.. im at 142k so far and have changed that fluid/filter twice so far and even bought the expensive mitzu whatever oil cause I ain't taking no chances... and oil changes, fk.. the first three oil changes there were particles in the oil.. like aluminum or something, straight rubble... i change that sht every 3k just because of that.. now its clean of debris.
Hard to trust any of these newer aluminum motors... seriously...


Best advice to anyone is to not stretch the fluid/filter changes, ever.

As for the op, is the flange true, axle bent, wrong width shoe.. and lastly.. has a hose collapsed and have them dragging..?
 
More than 5% nowadays.

QUOTE; "Think how dumb the average American is. Now realize that 50% are dumber than that" GEORGE CARLIN

And considering how long he's been dead, the number must be larger now. Especially with how they've successfully dumbed down the schools.
The number for the average American is higher than 50% now?
 
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