abodyjoe
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does it hang lower then the k-frame?
New Kevko Pan with Crank Scraper
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Doesn't post #23 answer that?
Thanks for the pics! Is that the new pan with the windage tray built in? I've used the Kevko 6 qt pan before and know it's a good piece. I'm trying to find info from someone who's used this new style pan.
Yes sir, they have a nice pick up that goes with it as well as the mounting stud to replace one of the main cap bolts
Okay, just to bring this older post up to date, I have this pan with windage tray, pickup and the pickup attaching bolt. So far I've not been able to figure out how to feed the pickup through the slot cut in the windage tray for it. Doesn't help that the engine is in the car and I'm lying on my back. Am I missing something easy?
Sorry, can't help you there as my engine was out of the car and on the engine stand.
That is a very nice looking pan and the integrated windage tray is a neat feature. I'll keep Kevko in mind for future projects.
No suggestions on installing it in the car. My first thought is you may not have enough height between the crank and k frame to install in the car. Might have to rotate the pick-up out of the way of the tray, slide the pan in place, then rotate it back down into its space.
No suggestions on installing it in the car. My first thought is you may not have enough height between the crank and k frame to install in the car. Might have to rotate the pick-up out of the way of the tray, slide the pan in place, then rotate it back down into its space.
K frame is out of the car. Engine is being supported with a gizmo that stretches from fender to fender.
I removed the headers, too.
I'll just have to spend a little more time trying to figure it out.
I'm starting to think I should just have pulled the motor out. Oh well, I'm trying to avoid doing that.
Complicating this is that after avoiding it for five years, my wife and I both got Covid a couple of weeks ago. We're mostly over it now, but we're both still kinda puny. So right now I'm not super motivated to get back to my Barracuda. Later . . . .
I'm a bit more energetic today, so I went back out to the garage. Noticed the pan was hitting the motor mounts/brackets when I was trying to maneuver it around so the pickup would go into the cutout for it in the windage tray. So, I removed them.
Still couldn't get the pan over the pickup. Close, but the pickup's corners hit the opening for it. So, I removed the windage tray temporarily because I wanted to make sure the pan bolted correctly to the block. Bolted it to the block with four bolts, and it does fit.
Next, I wanted to ensure that the pickup was off the bottom of the pan the right distance. I did measure the distance from the block to the bottom of the pickup and also the pan depth, but I wanted to eyeball it actually all hooked up. Tried to shine a light into the drain hole. No luck seeing inside. I remembered I had bought an endoscope a while back, so I located it and found out the cable end was wrong for my Samsung cell phone. (You'd think one thing would go right.) So I ordered one I think will work from Amazon. Will be here Saturday.
In the meantime, I've pretty much concluded that I'm gonna have to trim the windage tray opening for the pickup. Just don't see any way it's gonna go in as is. That job will have to wait until I confirm that the pickup is correctly located off the bottom of the pan.
By the way, when I removed the windage tray, I discovered an extra hold down bolt for the tray in the bottom of the pan. Apparently it had been wedged between the windage tray and the pan when Kevco had bolted the tray to the pan, and it fell into the pan when I removed the tray.
I did consider just putting the OEM tray back in, but then I wouldn't be able to bolt the pickup tube to the special main bearing bolt/stud for the center main bearing. Not without modifying the tray, anyway. And if I have to do that, might as well just modify the Kevco tray.
Finally, when I left the garage, as a matter of habit I locked the door and shut it. Just as I did so, I remembered my keys had fallen out of my pocket onto the garage floor under the Barracuda, and I had forgotten to put them back in my pocket. So now I'm locked out of my garage. Been looking to see if I have an extra key, but haven't been able to find one.
And so this simple job goes. . . .
Still couldn't get the pan over the pickup. Close, but the pickup's corners hit the opening for it. So, I removed the windage tray temporarily because I wanted to make sure the pan bolted correctly to the block. Bolted it to the block with four bolts, and it does fit.
Next, I wanted to ensure that the pickup was off the bottom of the pan the right distance. I did measure the distance from the block to the bottom of the pickup and also the pan depth, but I wanted to eyeball it actually all hooked up. Tried to shine a light into the drain hole. No luck seeing inside. I remembered I had bought an endoscope a while back, so I located it and found out the cable end was wrong for my Samsung cell phone. (You'd think one thing would go right.) So I ordered one I think will work from Amazon. Will be here Saturday.
In the meantime, I've pretty much concluded that I'm gonna have to trim the windage tray opening for the pickup. Just don't see any way it's gonna go in as is. That job will have to wait until I confirm that the pickup is correctly located off the bottom of the pan.
By the way, when I removed the windage tray, I discovered an extra hold down bolt for the tray in the bottom of the pan. Apparently it had been wedged between the windage tray and the pan when Kevco had bolted the tray to the pan, and it fell into the pan when I removed the tray.
I did consider just putting the OEM tray back in, but then I wouldn't be able to bolt the pickup tube to the special main bearing bolt/stud for the center main bearing. Not without modifying the tray, anyway. And if I have to do that, might as well just modify the Kevco tray.
Finally, when I left the garage, as a matter of habit I locked the door and shut it. Just as I did so, I remembered my keys had fallen out of my pocket onto the garage floor under the Barracuda, and I had forgotten to put them back in my pocket. So now I'm locked out of my garage. Been looking to see if I have an extra key, but haven't been able to find one.
And so this simple job goes. . . .
middleagecrisis
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Don't feel alone, I have days like that as well. You may have to lift the motor up further for more room to maneuver the pan. You can use modeling clay with some oil on the pan side to measure your clearance with the pan in place. Just use some sort of barrier on the pickup so you don't get pieces of clay embedded in the screen. Good luck!
While I'm waiting for the endoscope to arrive, I decided to get the garage door open. Never found an extra key, but a few whacks on the knob with a hammer got it off and the door open.
He’s trying to install the pan with the engine in the car. That complicates things.
OK, time for an update. The endoscope didn't work because I couldn't get the scope through the trap doors into where the pickup was. But, I measured and remeasured until I was sure the pickup was sitting in the right place.
After measuring how far the back of the windage tray was to the end of the pan, I pulled the windage tray out of the pan, then held it up to the motor at the proper distance from the end of the motor. It was clear that the pickup simply was not going to clear the tray. There's a cutout for the pickup and tube, but at least on mine, it wasn't large enough. After making sure I had the right pan, the right windage tray and the right pickup and tube, I measured some more. Didn't want to trim more than I needed to. Anyway, I trimmed the front part of the cutout and a bit into the top, and was able to feed the pickup through the opening and get the pan almost on. That's when I found out the back end of the windage tray was hitting the oil pump. Did some more measuring, then trimmed the driver's side lower rear corner. Now, it looks like this (compare it to #29 above):
By the way, the extra bolt I thought I had found wasn't. The front most nut screws onto that bolt. The other nuts screw onto studs that are welded to the pan, but not that one.
So now the pan is on the motor. Looks like this:
And with the K frame back in, looks like this:
The pan doesn't hang down as much as it looks like it does in this picture, maybe an inch or so.
After measuring how far the back of the windage tray was to the end of the pan, I pulled the windage tray out of the pan, then held it up to the motor at the proper distance from the end of the motor. It was clear that the pickup simply was not going to clear the tray. There's a cutout for the pickup and tube, but at least on mine, it wasn't large enough. After making sure I had the right pan, the right windage tray and the right pickup and tube, I measured some more. Didn't want to trim more than I needed to. Anyway, I trimmed the front part of the cutout and a bit into the top, and was able to feed the pickup through the opening and get the pan almost on. That's when I found out the back end of the windage tray was hitting the oil pump. Did some more measuring, then trimmed the driver's side lower rear corner. Now, it looks like this (compare it to #29 above):
By the way, the extra bolt I thought I had found wasn't. The front most nut screws onto that bolt. The other nuts screw onto studs that are welded to the pan, but not that one.
So now the pan is on the motor. Looks like this:
And with the K frame back in, looks like this:
The pan doesn't hang down as much as it looks like it does in this picture, maybe an inch or so.
James Clews
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I put a kevco pan on my 410 in my Australian Valiant charger and yes it did hang about an inch lower than the K member and I did not like the idea of that! I simply took the K member out and cut into the bottom of it and made a ramp area down to the distance of the pan so the K member is at the same level as the pan, so now if I bottom out only the K member will get scraped and not the pan!
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