thedartsport
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My favorite comment I hear about my car is "Man I wish they made the new ones like this."
no more wow factor...
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i always love the
my mom
my dad
my uncle
my cousins best friends step dads brother
had one
lol everybody either had one or knew somebody that had one lol
abodyjoe
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can ya blame them?? hell a freaking v-6 is putting out 300 hp and running in the 13's these days and gets 29 mpg.
nothing like modern cars man. they do everything better then our old rust buckets.
your 400 hp dinosaur probably gets about 8 mpg..lol and is far less street able then modern muscle with more hp. just the way it is man..
abodyjoe
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bullshit. our cars were just cars at one point also.. cars get character as they get personalized by their owners. you may not see as many classics as you do modern cars but thats just because so many were wrecked,rusted to death or parted and far too many of the remaining have been turned into garage art.
so close minded as to the ricers. with attitude like that its no wonder young kids don't want to be bothered with classic muscle. some of that rice has incredible workmanship to them. you are missing out if you stick your nose up at them.
d100clubcab
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my wife's infiniti has ~350 HP
has gotten 160k trouble free miles on it
and we can start the car in the garage without waking our daughter
the 360 in my truck has about 180 HP
something is ALWAYS needing to be fixed on it
it takes 5 minutes to start up
and i wake the entire block up if i try to leave the house at 4am
what i'd like is a 408 stroker that's as quiet as a Prius at a stop light
that's the definition of a TRUE sleeper in my book
has gotten 160k trouble free miles on it
and we can start the car in the garage without waking our daughter
the 360 in my truck has about 180 HP
something is ALWAYS needing to be fixed on it
it takes 5 minutes to start up
and i wake the entire block up if i try to leave the house at 4am
what i'd like is a 408 stroker that's as quiet as a Prius at a stop light
that's the definition of a TRUE sleeper in my book
moparmat2000
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I work with a fast n furious ID10T. He is always talking about his bought not built mitsu lancer evo. I told him, real men build their own.
I have a 2007 mustang GT 4.6L 5 speed. Nice car and pretty fast too. Its only about 330HP with the afore mentioned cold air intake, flowmasters, computer tune, etc. I never use the traction control because it neuters it. I love smokey burnouts, and getting rubber in second gear. But the reality is this car weighs 3,600 pounds. Its a great car but its porky.
Now my 67 cuda notchback originally weighed in at 2,800 Lbs. Pretty light. I have put the front end on weight reduction. Lots of aluminum wherever i can. I am trying to make it better balanced. If i can do this and get it down to 2,600 lbs that would be great.
Point I'm trying to make is i plan on building a 390HP 318 for this car. With 3.55s and a 4 speed. The weight, and the driveline, it ought to be plenty fast. You dont need 700Hp to make a statement. Just a good timeslip from your local dragstrip in your glovebox. That way you can say , oh really your honduh makes how many HP, wow thats impressive. Heres my timeslip, wheres yours. Again all that power aint worth **** if you cant get it to the ground.
Plus to give you an idea how dumb these FnF guys are. When i told mr fast n furious i was building a 67 barracuda and putting a hot 318 in it, he said wow thats such a small engine for such a heavy car. He didnt believe me when i told him my cuda was lighter than his lancer evo. His response was thats a 4,000 lb car. I said to him, what do you think i'm building, a chrysler imperial?!?
I told him to google it. He came back and went wow, that is a light old car. Then he went on to say how my cordoba big disc / drum combo was wrong and how it needed rear discs. I told him this brake setup originally stopped a 3,700 pound car. It should work fine on mine, plus the rear brakes do only about 20% of the stopping. That and rear drums when adjusted correctly work just as good, and are way cheaper. Plus i am putting 15" steelies w dog dish caps on it. Why have eye candy if its getting covered up.
You will find these FnF guys dont really know what they are talking about, and only spout BS from what they see in the movies. Plus whats with this lets race starting at a 50mph roll on the highway **** anyways.
Matt
I have a 2007 mustang GT 4.6L 5 speed. Nice car and pretty fast too. Its only about 330HP with the afore mentioned cold air intake, flowmasters, computer tune, etc. I never use the traction control because it neuters it. I love smokey burnouts, and getting rubber in second gear. But the reality is this car weighs 3,600 pounds. Its a great car but its porky.
Now my 67 cuda notchback originally weighed in at 2,800 Lbs. Pretty light. I have put the front end on weight reduction. Lots of aluminum wherever i can. I am trying to make it better balanced. If i can do this and get it down to 2,600 lbs that would be great.
Point I'm trying to make is i plan on building a 390HP 318 for this car. With 3.55s and a 4 speed. The weight, and the driveline, it ought to be plenty fast. You dont need 700Hp to make a statement. Just a good timeslip from your local dragstrip in your glovebox. That way you can say , oh really your honduh makes how many HP, wow thats impressive. Heres my timeslip, wheres yours. Again all that power aint worth **** if you cant get it to the ground.
Plus to give you an idea how dumb these FnF guys are. When i told mr fast n furious i was building a 67 barracuda and putting a hot 318 in it, he said wow thats such a small engine for such a heavy car. He didnt believe me when i told him my cuda was lighter than his lancer evo. His response was thats a 4,000 lb car. I said to him, what do you think i'm building, a chrysler imperial?!?
I told him to google it. He came back and went wow, that is a light old car. Then he went on to say how my cordoba big disc / drum combo was wrong and how it needed rear discs. I told him this brake setup originally stopped a 3,700 pound car. It should work fine on mine, plus the rear brakes do only about 20% of the stopping. That and rear drums when adjusted correctly work just as good, and are way cheaper. Plus i am putting 15" steelies w dog dish caps on it. Why have eye candy if its getting covered up.
You will find these FnF guys dont really know what they are talking about, and only spout BS from what they see in the movies. Plus whats with this lets race starting at a 50mph roll on the highway **** anyways.
Matt
abodyjoe
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so you knew everything from day one? just like anyone else they need to be educated. seems you taught him something with the weight of your car. if they are willing to learn then you should be willing to teach rather then just bashing them.
vntned
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In all honesty, the Mitsu Evo could wipe the floor with a lot of cars on the street. If you wanna really compare cars performance potential, the Evo will handily embarrass an '07 4.6 GT in ALL arenas, and realistically would seriously butt hurt a 318 cuda!
The Evo is not a gussied up Lancer, it's mechanically a legit race/rally car from the factory!
Before you're so quick to rag on imports, realize that many of those guys are true enthusiasts who build legitimate performance machines out of what were mild mannered econo boxes! The difference in how they make the power, drivetrain arrangement, etc. is unimportant. Saying how the use boost or nitrous to make up for cubes isn't anything less than genius is foolish. I'm much more impressed with the guys that have 1000hp 2.0s than any giant v8 that makes the same power without boost or juice.
Some of y'all guys need to step back and look at how sad and petty you look, trying to bring fellow car enthusiasts down, because they choose a different make, model or method. Hotrodding covers more than just v8 muscle cars! Get over it! Lose the ego and and learn to appreciate other peoples ingenuity and efforts, regardless of the platform!
The Evo is not a gussied up Lancer, it's mechanically a legit race/rally car from the factory!
Before you're so quick to rag on imports, realize that many of those guys are true enthusiasts who build legitimate performance machines out of what were mild mannered econo boxes! The difference in how they make the power, drivetrain arrangement, etc. is unimportant. Saying how the use boost or nitrous to make up for cubes isn't anything less than genius is foolish. I'm much more impressed with the guys that have 1000hp 2.0s than any giant v8 that makes the same power without boost or juice.
Some of y'all guys need to step back and look at how sad and petty you look, trying to bring fellow car enthusiasts down, because they choose a different make, model or method. Hotrodding covers more than just v8 muscle cars! Get over it! Lose the ego and and learn to appreciate other peoples ingenuity and efforts, regardless of the platform!
d100clubcab
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1. You are comparing a race car that gets horrible gas mileage and is not as safe to take your family to dinner in versus a production car that is very fuel efficient, can drive from Miami to Seattle and back three times in one month with zero problems.
2. I read many posts on this forum where guys spout stuff they've only read on another forum or regurgitating what everyone else says here.
Can't build a 408 for less than $10k and aluminum heads.
I'm 28, so our generation just doesnt seem to appreciate older cars. I hear it all the time.
However, I look at it like this, there's always gonna be someone with more power, that's faster, just the nature of the hobby. So as long as I like my car, that's all that matters. Plus, I'd rather had a 400 hp small block that I personally built the car around then walk into any dealer and buy a GT500 or even a hellcat...why, because the car I build represents me, the car I buy, just flashes the money I spent..
Exactly. The golden age of hotrodding and the very definition was taking whatever car you had, with whatever parts you could make work and making the car cool and touch of you.
moparmat2000
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Heres the thing i didnt get across the first time, i wasnt baggin on this guy. I was sittin in the break room. Minding my own business when mr FnF comes in says i hear your into cars. Mind you i work at a big company 400 plus employees. Been here 20 years. Most people here know me as a car guy.
I said yes i am into cars. He asks whatcha have. I tell him a 67 barracuda. Oh was his reply. What kind of motor. I tell him a 318. He starts in with its such a small engine for a 4000 pound car. I laugh and tell him it dont weigh 4000 pounds, but about 2,800. Plus he started with the whole why do you want to work on old ****, and that jap cars are better thing. I told him i like the old cars, and love the V8s. As far as im concerned he drew first blood with his comments. I tried to be polite, but got tired of his crap.
He starts in with how you have to put a turbo jap car engine in a muscle car to make it drift. Ala tokyo drift. What i reminded him was that with movie magic, the stunt driver Rhys Millen needed 390 ford V8s to get the job done with the stunt cars. And that the sounds were all dubbed in. Then he says well nizzan skyline R34 engines are so valuable that they used the V8s for the mundane duties of the stunt cars. I reminded him that with movie budgets and how much they spent on mustang fastbacks to destroy they could care less about the cost of one skyline motor, it was in the mustang only because that was part of the movie plot. Then i showed him the article where hot rod tested the tokyo drift mustangs after the movie was produced. And pix showing the V8 cars were the ones that got the job done.
Mr FnF doesnt soup up his own car mind you, tho his lancer evo is done up pretty nice. He pays a local shop to do it. Most of the guys i work with regard mr FnF as a bit of a jerk anyways, so i'm not far off on this
Am i aware an evo can take my mustang, yes i'd be a fool not to. I know my mustang is fast, but theres other faster cars out there. I bought it for the V8 and stick shift plus the looks.
I built and ran turbo 4 bangers for awhile 2.2 turbo mopars. So i know all about boosted crap. Decided i wanted to get back into the V8 stuff like i did when i was a kid. Mr FnF spouts off about the stuff he has seen in the movies. Yes i have watched the FnF movies corn man real corn.
As far as rust buckets go mr Abody joe. Thats what you get when livin in liberal new jersey. This old stuff doesnt rot out here in texas the way it does by y'all. I know new jersey rust jerky. I lived in that state for 25 years. Btw if you have that much derision towards our beloved A bodies why not sell the fine specimen of a dart you have posted with your reply, and just go buy that 300hp minivan you have probably always wanted. No rust jerky at least for a few years in the rustbelt anyways.
Cheers
I said yes i am into cars. He asks whatcha have. I tell him a 67 barracuda. Oh was his reply. What kind of motor. I tell him a 318. He starts in with its such a small engine for a 4000 pound car. I laugh and tell him it dont weigh 4000 pounds, but about 2,800. Plus he started with the whole why do you want to work on old ****, and that jap cars are better thing. I told him i like the old cars, and love the V8s. As far as im concerned he drew first blood with his comments. I tried to be polite, but got tired of his crap.
He starts in with how you have to put a turbo jap car engine in a muscle car to make it drift. Ala tokyo drift. What i reminded him was that with movie magic, the stunt driver Rhys Millen needed 390 ford V8s to get the job done with the stunt cars. And that the sounds were all dubbed in. Then he says well nizzan skyline R34 engines are so valuable that they used the V8s for the mundane duties of the stunt cars. I reminded him that with movie budgets and how much they spent on mustang fastbacks to destroy they could care less about the cost of one skyline motor, it was in the mustang only because that was part of the movie plot. Then i showed him the article where hot rod tested the tokyo drift mustangs after the movie was produced. And pix showing the V8 cars were the ones that got the job done.
Mr FnF doesnt soup up his own car mind you, tho his lancer evo is done up pretty nice. He pays a local shop to do it. Most of the guys i work with regard mr FnF as a bit of a jerk anyways, so i'm not far off on this
Am i aware an evo can take my mustang, yes i'd be a fool not to. I know my mustang is fast, but theres other faster cars out there. I bought it for the V8 and stick shift plus the looks.
I built and ran turbo 4 bangers for awhile 2.2 turbo mopars. So i know all about boosted crap. Decided i wanted to get back into the V8 stuff like i did when i was a kid. Mr FnF spouts off about the stuff he has seen in the movies. Yes i have watched the FnF movies corn man real corn.
As far as rust buckets go mr Abody joe. Thats what you get when livin in liberal new jersey. This old stuff doesnt rot out here in texas the way it does by y'all. I know new jersey rust jerky. I lived in that state for 25 years. Btw if you have that much derision towards our beloved A bodies why not sell the fine specimen of a dart you have posted with your reply, and just go buy that 300hp minivan you have probably always wanted. No rust jerky at least for a few years in the rustbelt anyways.
Cheers
95teetee
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kinda like people who think an EVO (which has all wheel drive, like my Stealth) can't get it's power to the pavement.
the way I see this is, if, a person is truly a car entusiasist, he ( or she) will appreciate pretty much all things mechanical and auto related. to appreciate does not mean we necessarily want to own one (ricers maybe?) if we could afford it.
I learned decades ago, I was always learning something when I listened, and did less talking. discussions, and good natured arguments about all things cars related will give us some info we might find useful one day? I say respect people, give their interests the benefit of the doubt.
personally I would love to own a good USED modern muscle. would I sell off my old cars to buy one, no. can I afford one, NO, not really. that's just me, but I respect those that choose to do so. knowing what goes on with modern muscle is important for us to keep up with even if its not in our plate to own?
I learned decades ago, I was always learning something when I listened, and did less talking. discussions, and good natured arguments about all things cars related will give us some info we might find useful one day? I say respect people, give their interests the benefit of the doubt.
personally I would love to own a good USED modern muscle. would I sell off my old cars to buy one, no. can I afford one, NO, not really. that's just me, but I respect those that choose to do so. knowing what goes on with modern muscle is important for us to keep up with even if its not in our plate to own?
stroked340
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Just say no to rice...and anything(even American) with a 4-cylinder:violent1::violent1::violent1:real men drive V8 "muscle cars"..
moparmat2000
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I know AWD stuff is bad ***. I wasnt saying awd cars cant get power to the ground. I think you misinterpreted my post. What i meant is all these lofty numbers his friends are talking about mean nothing if you cant get your car to hook up. Thats why theres traction control, and other items to make it all work.
moparmat2000
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Plus, I'd rather had a 400 hp small block that I personally built the car around then walk into any dealer and buy a GT500 or even a hellcat...why, because the car I build represents me, the car I buy, just flashes the money I spent..[/QUOTE]
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. Now other than that, my 07 GT was a divorce gift i bought for me. I needed something nice in my life to enjoy on a right now basis 8 years ago. I still love the car 8 years later. It wasnt bought to impress anyone. I bought it for my own enjoyment.
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. Now other than that, my 07 GT was a divorce gift i bought for me. I needed something nice in my life to enjoy on a right now basis 8 years ago. I still love the car 8 years later. It wasnt bought to impress anyone. I bought it for my own enjoyment.
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Just say no to rice...and anything(even American) with a 4-cylinder:violent1::violent1::violent1:real men drive V8 "muscle cars"..
I must not be a real man.
This is in line for one of the most ignorant statements written on this site.
vntned
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You should have seen how mad that "real man" got when my brothers SRT4 swapped 1gn neon chased down his 2013 5.0 and continued on to a two length lead by 100mph!
BlueDream
Aspiring Mopar enthusiast
People like what they like. I think cammed up muscle cars that shake the earth when they idle are cool. Others think that boosted four bangers with fart cans are cool. Plus, if someones rice burner can get 25mpg then that just leaves more gas for us who get waaaaayyy less.
doogievlg
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A lot what turns me off to these "rice burners" are the owners attitude. I have talked to countless import guys that will talk smack non stop and brag about their civic which just had a cold air intake and exhaust.
I have seen tons of imports that have very high quality workmanship and supras and evos that run real well. I have zero interest in imports but I understand the work that goes into them. Like I said earlier though, the fart can civic boys hanging out at wal mart give the import scene a very bad image from the muscle car guys point of view.
I have seen tons of imports that have very high quality workmanship and supras and evos that run real well. I have zero interest in imports but I understand the work that goes into them. Like I said earlier though, the fart can civic boys hanging out at wal mart give the import scene a very bad image from the muscle car guys point of view.
abodyjoe
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no different then the classic car clown that has headers and flowmasters that talk **** about how bad *** their 318 2bbl is.
those guys are in every part of the hobby.
doogievlg
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Very true. Foxbody guys are bad too
The bottom line is if you are driving a old car because you want to impress strangers then your in it for the wrong reason. That being said there is nothing wrong with being proud of your work and wanting to show it off but when I do something to my car I do it because it's what I think is cool.
abodyjoe
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