Pulled the trigger on a Holley Sniper today

Fuel and Air Systems

  1. RustyRatRod

    RustyRatRod I was born on a Monday. Not last Monday. FABO Gold Member

    Messages:
    79,157
    Likes Received:
    57450
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Location:
    Georgia
    Local Time:
    10:12 PM
    I wish you all the luck in the world.....but @67 gt's quote is "it runs pretty good". For over a grand, I better have wet dreams goin down the road. S'all I'm sayin.
     
  2. 67 gt

    67 gt A Wog boy who loves his Mopars ! FABO Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    911
    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2011
    Location:
    Down under
    Local Time:
    2:12 PM
    Cmon Rusty I didn’t want to play it up. What I should have said is and it does it runs like a scaled cat . $1000 dollars or 2k it really doesn’t matter to me . If you can afford to go down that route that’s ok if not that’s ok aswell. I’m just sharing my experience. People are happy running carbs some others want to venture out and it does come at a cost like everything in this world.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • RustyRatRod

      RustyRatRod I was born on a Monday. Not last Monday. FABO Gold Member

      Messages:
      79,157
      Likes Received:
      57450
      Joined:
      Jun 7, 2010
      Location:
      Georgia
      Local Time:
      10:12 PM
      I get it man. I'm just sayin if I spent that and it ran really good, I'd be jumpin in all these threads like this and lettin people know. You seem less than enthusiastic. I've seen some of these conversions first hand helping a local friend try to patch some up that he did......and not one of them ran acceptable. Not one. Plus, lots of people on here say similar things.

      Here's where I'm at with it. Until someone can offer factory reliability and high performance with plug and play installation, I ain't buyin it. ....and I may not buy it then.
       
    • 67 gt

      67 gt A Wog boy who loves his Mopars ! FABO Gold Member

      Messages:
      1,144
      Likes Received:
      911
      Joined:
      Nov 9, 2011
      Location:
      Down under
      Local Time:
      2:12 PM
      Haha yeah I understand I’m enthusiastic I just don’t like to play things up, that’s me . In all honesty a few mates have these systems on their rides and and the same thing they haven’t had any issues and they are pretty happy with them. I’ve replaced the 02 a few months back due to experiencing some wacky afr readings on warm up and would settle once I was driving but it didn’t cause any drivability issues, I went with the ATK sensor and it resolved the problem . I agree with the plug and play it ain’t that straight forward as they claim. One another thing a lot of people put these on engines which ain’t up to scratch oil burners , poor exhaust leaks , air leaks , poor earths and wiring connections where a carburettor would still work but with these systems are very touchy and everything needs to be right for them to work reliable. For the price of these units their wiring looms should have a covering to eliminate the RFI , EMI issues which a lot of people experience due to the ecu built in the front of the throttle body. They did this with the Terminator the ECU box now can be fitted inside the cabin eliminating the RFI issues .I feel sorry for the Ford guys as the distributor placed in front causes RFI problems and they need to run a shield in front of the throttle body just so it will function or when they close their bonnet the unit will play up , open bonnet unit runs fine.
       
      • Like Like x 2
      • EdM

        EdM Well-Known Member

        Messages:
        409
        Likes Received:
        1080
        Joined:
        Sep 7, 2019
        Location:
        The Texas Hill Country and North Idaho
        Local Time:
        9:12 PM
        Though not a Mopar I have the Pro Flo 4 on my 427 Windsor in my Mach 1 and it is night and day compared to the dyno tuned Quick Fuel carb that the engine came with.

        tCrr1JH.jpg
         
        • Like Like x 1
        • RustyRatRod

          RustyRatRod I was born on a Monday. Not last Monday. FABO Gold Member

          Messages:
          79,157
          Likes Received:
          57450
          Joined:
          Jun 7, 2010
          Location:
          Georgia
          Local Time:
          10:12 PM
          Well......I'll not defend this guy any on that.....while he's a friend of mine and an EXCELLENT, I mean REALLY good paint and body guy, he has no business under a hood. LOL He thinks he knows way more than he does. SO I feel sure he was responsible for over 90% of the issues he's had.

          If I thought for a minute, I could get one of those kits to run well for me, I might do it. But my luck doesn't run that way. I'd never get that sumbitch right. lol
           
        • RustyRatRod

          RustyRatRod I was born on a Monday. Not last Monday. FABO Gold Member

          Messages:
          79,157
          Likes Received:
          57450
          Joined:
          Jun 7, 2010
          Location:
          Georgia
          Local Time:
          10:12 PM
          That's a cool lookin setup right there.
           
        • 70dart340

          70dart340 FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

          Messages:
          1,195
          Likes Received:
          709
          Joined:
          Aug 10, 2007
          Location:
          Puget Sound
          Local Time:
          7:12 PM
          Unconvinced, but respectfully following.
           
        • abodyjoe

          abodyjoe Well-Known Member

          Messages:
          21,942
          Likes Received:
          8298
          Joined:
          May 22, 2004
          Location:
          Berlin,N.J. 08009
          Local Time:
          10:12 PM

          he seems to be real happy with it.. :)
           
          • Like Like x 1
          • abodyjoe

            abodyjoe Well-Known Member

            Messages:
            21,942
            Likes Received:
            8298
            Joined:
            May 22, 2004
            Location:
            Berlin,N.J. 08009
            Local Time:
            10:12 PM
            i have a buddy that has installed a few sniper kits.. the one i saw is on a 502 chevy in a chevelle.. holy crap does that bitch run.. he just put one on his charger.. car isn't finished yet so we will see how that one runs..
             
          • abodyjoe

            abodyjoe Well-Known Member

            Messages:
            21,942
            Likes Received:
            8298
            Joined:
            May 22, 2004
            Location:
            Berlin,N.J. 08009
            Local Time:
            10:12 PM
            to me these tanks are the way to go.. in tank pump. holley sells the exact same set up at a higher price..

            Mopar Fuel Tanks



            yuo can ge a nice kit from summit that includes: a 255 lph fuel pump and sending unit compatible with factory gauges and tank straps for under 500 bucks..

            Tanks Inc. TCR11B-T-KIT Tanks Inc. Fuel Tank Kits | Summit Racing



            here are the pics of the tank from when i bought one.. its still in the box waiting for me to get around to buying a sniper kit..lol EFI Tank for the dart...



            .
             
          • RogerRamRod

            RogerRamRod The Older I Get, The Faster I Was FABO Gold Member

            Messages:
            1,058
            Likes Received:
            675
            Joined:
            Jul 5, 2011
            Location:
            Chesapeake VA
            Local Time:
            10:12 PM
            Curious about installation too, please either keep this going, or do a nice install post that could be made into a sticky, that would be great.
             
          • plumkrazee70

            plumkrazee70 Well-Known Member

            Messages:
            3,061
            Likes Received:
            938
            Joined:
            May 5, 2013
            Location:
            Medford, Oregon
            Local Time:
            9:12 PM
            You got it! I don't know if the sniper has instructions on how to set it up, but here are a few helpful vids.




            You'll need this rotor also MSD 84211 Rotor Phasing Kit for MSD Distributors
             
          • Backally

            Backally FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

            Messages:
            576
            Likes Received:
            315
            Joined:
            Sep 4, 2011
            Location:
            Wisconsin
            Local Time:
            9:12 PM
            I’ll add that before you install to wrap the wires in shielding. A lot easier to do on the workbench than in the car. I also did not have the Sniper control the timing initially. Kind of a baby steps install as I had (still have) a lot to learn.

            But once it’s running, it’s so easy to change the tune. Try something, don’t like it and it takes 10 seconds to go back.
             
          • RustyRatRod

            RustyRatRod I was born on a Monday. Not last Monday. FABO Gold Member

            Messages:
            79,157
            Likes Received:
            57450
            Joined:
            Jun 7, 2010
            Location:
            Georgia
            Local Time:
            10:12 PM
            I will say this.....all the systems I've seen and "very little" messed with have been fitech. I've not seen a Sniper yet and everything I read about them says they are WAY better than the fitech. If I thought for a second one would be total plug and play and end up right......AND fit the theme of my car, I'd consider it.
             
          • abodyjoe

            abodyjoe Well-Known Member

            Messages:
            21,942
            Likes Received:
            8298
            Joined:
            May 22, 2004
            Location:
            Berlin,N.J. 08009
            Local Time:
            10:12 PM
            Yea I hear ya get what ya pay for with fitech. It can work but it's towards the bottom of the barrel system from everything I see about it
             
          • SlantedDart

            SlantedDart Well-Known Member

            Messages:
            103
            Likes Received:
            88
            Joined:
            Apr 15, 2020
            Location:
            Michigan
            Local Time:
            10:12 PM
            I went with a terminator. Pretty bad ass, I’m pleased but setting the timing was confusing with the duel sync distributor. I still have to double check it. You’ll need a actual computer to fine tune it and use its full potential unfortunately.. very misleading with the “ self learning BS” it DOES but not like you think. Had to have a friend over who knows Holley stuff to get it to do what I actually wanted it to do. BUT money well spent I’d say

            0B2968D8-D13A-426F-B1DA-AB2FCB169992.jpeg
             
          • SlantedDart

            SlantedDart Well-Known Member

            Messages:
            103
            Likes Received:
            88
            Joined:
            Apr 15, 2020
            Location:
            Michigan
            Local Time:
            10:12 PM
            The only real bitch about it is the mating the Chrysler wire harness with what the Holley wants.. key on and run it a discussion all on its own. Also get a higher amp alt. To support everything if you have a stock one. Fuel pump, fan, ecu etc. Good voltage regulator. My slant 6 one didn’t keep up, went with a 74 model. Holley sells a drop in factory tank 255 pump in the factory sending unit. No return line needed with that unit
             
          • harrisonm

            harrisonm Well-Known Member

            Messages:
            3,604
            Likes Received:
            3907
            Joined:
            Jan 16, 2005
            Location:
            Topeka, KS
            Local Time:
            3:12 AM
            Well, I've had some time to think about it, and I am going to cancel my order with Holley on Monday. After I got it started the other day, it has started fine and ran great since. I got a new battery also. My old one was 11 years old, and went down pretty fast while cranking. I drove my car to a car to a car show about 40 miles away yesterday. It is a GREAT show put on by a church in a small town. GREAT food and lots of fun. Anyway, the car ran great all day. I mean it ran SO well that I got to thinking, why am I spending $1400 on FI? So I am going to go with the suggestion @dogbreath made and get an electric fuel pump. I will need to do some research. And RRR is right. For $1400 it better be a really good dream.

            You are right. Did you go down that path? If so, what did you use> Will I need a regulator?

            Totally agree!
             
            • Like Like x 1
            • famous bob

              famous bob mopar misfit

              Messages:
              19,857
              Likes Received:
              8843
              Joined:
              Aug 14, 2011
              Location:
              okla
              Local Time:
              9:12 PM
              guess u never read any of my posts about my fast 2.0 set up , love tuning from the drivers seat !!
               
            • RustyRatRod

              RustyRatRod I was born on a Monday. Not last Monday. FABO Gold Member

              Messages:
              79,157
              Likes Received:
              57450
              Joined:
              Jun 7, 2010
              Location:
              Georgia
              Local Time:
              10:12 PM
              No, because I don't seek out EFI posts, since I'm not going to run it. I'm glad yours runs good though.
               
            • 89on35s

              89on35s Inferno Red Duster FABO Gold Member

              Messages:
              2,153
              Likes Received:
              2633
              Joined:
              May 11, 2006
              Location:
              Martensville Sask. Can.
              Local Time:
              9:12 PM
              Funny, I been screwing around with the idea of EFI and/or electric fuel pumps. Kinda for the same reason too. When she sits too long it takes forever to get the fuel up to the carb. What I done this time was just fill the float bowls with a small funnel. Before the float bowls go empty there should be fuel there from the tank.
              Now I know there are other benefits to the electric pump like being able to run a return line and keep the fuel cooler etc, but sometimes simple and cheap is where it's at!
              I been driving my project for a while now and though I love it, I realize now how many things I did to it because the internet said I needed to and I know now that I got alot of extra shit on my car that's kind of along for the ride.
              Enjoy your car and your carb!

              Cley
               
              • Agree Agree x 1
              1. This site uses cookies to help personalize content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.