Salter's BBM 383 build

[MOPARMAGA]

Ok, so let's say 375HP just to put a number on it. Which is capable of what? Low 12s in a well prepped A body? High 11s? Isn't that respectable?

It's going in a charger though, low 15s....not beating many hondas with that lol
In an a body, if it's a street car those are pretty good

 

[fishmens67]

Ok, so let's say 375HP just to put a number on it. Which is capable of what? Low 12s in a well prepped A body? High 11s? Isn't that respectable?

318wilrun adds headers and runs 11's in his truck with the 500 hp 383.

 

[Killer6]

My ex-Popo Diplomat ran almost 105mph in the 1/4 w/a 750VS Holley on a DP4B intake, 284°/.484 PurpleShaft, stock 9.2:1 slugs, template ported closed chamber '516's I added the 1.75" exh. to, & mis-matched headers....in front of a 4-gear.
The bone stock '66 2bbl engine with a RR intake & iron logs, slightly larger 440 cam, & same 750VS ran 100mph with a 125hp NOS Holeshot kit, & a best of 94mph w/o the juice. I was working on a timing retard setup to get the most from the NOS but never got the chance to use it.
Upshot is, it's easy to do the math for 105 in the qtr., I was using shitty tires & leaving in 2nd gear at the time so.....really only interested in the mph#'s.

 

[oldkimmer]

I believe most ppl are disappointed in their builds unless they get it pro built. Often money is the deciding factor. Long time ago a friend of mine had Big Daddy build him an engine. He said he had this much cash and what he expected. Then Don told him what he would get for his money and he was disappointed. Don said speed cost money: how fast do u want to go? He gave Don another wad of cash. Kim

 

[BSB67]

Same difference. Still respectable. Plus you'd rarely break anything and can drive it to and from the track and get groceries on the way home. A lot to be said there.

I’m kinda in this camp too. I think we all agree there was so much more potential once he got this far by simply adding a stroker and headers. But if the goal by the customer was stock stroke 383 with manifolds and performance better than the factory, that’s exactly what he got.

 

[rumblefish360]

So, they used big tube headers on the dyno when it's ultimately going to be run with manifolds in the car? Is that common?

If you’re going to run exhaust manifolds, bring your own exhaust piping. Dyno shops are not really catering to engines with exhaust manifolds.

It's dumb, we run stuff on the Dyno pretty much as it's going in the car. Those manifolds are going to lose a lot of power.

“Loose Power?” I’d call it stifle power.
Potato, Patato…

 

[rumblefish360]

Let me begin by saying that like many of you on FABO, I really enjoy the automotive content on YT--especially the Mopar stuff

Ditto

1. .609" lift with a 1.7 rocker is a .358" lobe. Mr.Salter likes lift and so do I. Hydraulic roller? No sweat.

Ditto. Enough lift to take advantage of the heads flow capability.
Or at least try.

3. For a crank to spin like that after a line hone requires 3 things. Only a motor oil or penetrating fluid-no assembly lube, no rear main seal, and probably .003"+ clearance.

That made me wonder how many people are going to try to go for that as well and the. How many machinists will have to explain it all to them.

4. Rolled deck? Is this in reference to the bore notches (which create crevice volume and usually kill power) or is he saying he had the deck surface machined more on the exhaust side of the deck? Like angle milling a cylinder head? I honestly don't know.

That was exactly what I was thinking. What the heck is rolled?
Well yea I know what rolling is but which way and more importantly- WHY?!?! Head yes, but the block? That’s a new one on me.

5. He doesn't like ball adjusters but states he doesn't know why. I do understand that ball/ball pushrods are plentiful and inexpensive but thats not hard to articulate. The way those Hughes rockers are setup will absolutely direct oil into the pushrod cup and do a better job at capturing the pushrod at very high angularity. Now if the lifters used are oil through pushrods then a "Chevy" style pushrod will work just fine as well. I'm sure after changing the adjusters the cost would equal out to a custom length cup style pushrod which in my mind = completely unnecessary .
6. Smacking the roller tip rocker on the Sharpied' valve tip doesn't prove correct geometry---making it travel through its range of motion does. I doubt the pattern is that narrow.

PFST! What ever floats your boat but he was less than informative. Would have been nice to here his thoughts on it.

7. The port match shot is nice but I'd like to see the other 3 that are easy to see....there is always at least 1 that looks perfect...getting them all perfect is ..a waste of time IMO

I just say do the best you can. The better it is the better the engine will work. But I know this can be a big PIA!

9. 418HP on the first pull and then 482HP after timing was set @ 35? How far off was the timing on it for it to be down 64hp? An engine will not pickup that much power with a timing change unless it is off Oh about 25-30 degrees. Basically you don't perform a full load pull without knowing exactly what your timing is at ! I feel if I told the world that I picked up 64 HP with a timing change the world would think I didn't know how to use a timing light and rightfully so.

That seemed very weird to me.

11. Since when is a .030" plug gap tight? It also took 15 pulls to figure out the plug gap? Yeah, I would be looking at other areas before spending more than 2 pulls chasing a suspected sparkplug issue.

I rolled my eyes at “A tight .030 gap.” Finding the best plug gap has to be last on the list when there is timing first and carb tune second. Ya think you would kind of already know where to go and experiment later.
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13. I agree about the Torker, its actually a great manifold when you invest quite a few hours in it.

For a fully "tricked out" 383 with TF heads and a custom cam to barely eke out 500hp after a 3 day development thrash on the dyno is underwhelming to me. Oh and didn't Dulcich already do this with Modern Cyl Head ported Edelbrocks and a flat tappet cam over a decade ago?

Magazine check! Isle 3 magazine check!

This may seem harsh but its actually not, its just what I see when I watch this stuff. I actually like Mr.Salter and enjoy his content I just wish he had shared a bit more. There is a lot of missing info in this video. A lot. Interesting to be sure. J.Rob

I just see a statement from your point of view.
No ridicule, nothing shame or shade throwing.
Hopefully he doesn’t take it poorly.
Constructive criticism only and wonderment

 

[DieWilde13]

I think some of that is expectations base on some of your other builds. They see this 650HP and that 700HP and want the same kinda thing. I'd be happy with a 450HP 383 and that's very reachable. But thanks to magazine articles and forum super heroes, everybody's gotta have 600 plus.

Thats absolutly right! Everybody hear from someone who has a million horses in his car

 

[DieWilde13]

Ok, so let's say 375HP just to put a number on it. Which is capable of what? Low 12s in a well prepped A body? High 11s? Isn't that respectable?

Also here you are right. 8s are the new 10s from back in the days. If you want to be someone on a track, you need to go in the 9s or 8s.
For me, a low 12 sec car is somewhat really fast for the street! My old Valiant was best 10.9 with 4 speed. That on the streets was a bit scary when you drop the pedal...

 

[RustyRatRod]

Also here you are right. 8s are the new 10s from back in the days. If you want to be someone on a track, you need to go in the 9s or 8s.
For me, a low 12 sec car is somewhat really fast for the street! My old Valiant was best 10.9 with 4 speed. That on the streets was a bit scary when you drop the pedal...

Low 12s is fast for the street. You don't see 8 and 10 second cars cruisin the street a lot, even if you see it on tv. lol And if you do see any like that, it's usually at a car show or cruise in and they rarely get driven. We have a guy like that in Gray. 68 Chevelle pro street car. 540 fat motor. It's a nice car, but I've never heard it at more than about 2500 RPM. He just never romps it. I know it's capable, because I know who built it. It's no slouch. Admittedly, he had it built as a show car, but with 33x19 slicks instead of those worthless Mickeys and it'd hook.

 

[rumblefish360]

Low 12s is fast for the street. You don't see 8 and 10 second cars cruisin the street a lot, even if you see it on tv. lol And if you do see any like that, it's usually at a car show or cruise in and they rarely get driven.

FACTS!

Even turbo cars that can run 9’a and 8’s are not out and about as everyday cars. It’s mostly just not practical. While I know a few people that run around with insane power, they don’t use it a lot. (The cars power)

 

[BSB67]

FACTS!

Even turbo cars that can run 9’a and 8’s are not out and about as everyday cars. It’s mostly just not practical. While I know a few people that run around with insane power, they don’t use it a lot. (The cars power)

Met some friends at Mopar Nats this year. I had to guilt the guy with the Hellcat to drive it there (250 mi). He was reluctant to take it to the restaurant, and in no way make a track pass. I was a bit surprised.

At Carlisle, 3000 cars, probably 500+ late model hemi cars there. Only one late model hemi car at Blue Mountain Raceway, 20 minutes away. Again, surprised.