SS Slant Six Dart

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Moving right along on this great /6 805moparkid =D>
What head gasket are you going to use ? The head looks great and the valves look like they are almost touching each other :toothy8:
Would you know were I can buy intake and exhaust studs for my new head ?
or should NAPA have them ?
Looking forward to hearing you fire it up and glad you got some axles for your rear end.
 

memike said:
Moving right along on this great /6 805moparkid =D>
What head gasket are you going to use ? The head looks great and the valves look like they are almost touching each other :toothy8:
Would you know were I can buy intake and exhaust studs for my new head ?
or should NAPA have them ?
Looking forward to hearing you fire it up and glad you got some axles for your rear end.
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yea the intakes are close but not close enough to have me think about 1.80 intakes...

i got my hardened studs and nuts from autozone... 50 bucks out the door

i went for the longest ones they had which of course ended but being to long so i had them cut down... just go like a 1/4" longer than stock to help install and give more meat for the think flanged intake and headers...
 
well the rear is in! just need to finish hooking up some stuff...

find some tires...

and have a driveshaft made and it will be alive again!
 

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ok so the head is on! all the new locking adjusters are in (pics later)(i think i need a taller valve cover lol...

trying to get the motor fully assembled tonight and re-seal the intake/space gaskets...

i get the new drive-shaft and have the Indy 500's (235/70/15) mounted on my steels for the rear...

hope to at least start it up and break in the rear tomorrow and maybe drive it...
 
So tell me your theory about carburetor direction. I saw you make reference to it in another thread.
 
Looks like he has the carb mounted sideways so as not to starve the motor for fuel at launch--it is a drag car, rememeber.As the car launches fuel sloshes to the rear causing a potentially lean condition. You see this on all the P/S & sportsman cars that use multiple carbs. For them it allows them to change jets without removing the carbs from the manifold.

Forced induction? Yes, as the combined pressure from the blower/turbo coupled with the rearward "push" at launch would cause the same (possible) lean condition.....
 
StrokerScamp said:
So tell me your theory about carburetor direction. I saw you make reference to it in another thread.
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Bill Dedman said:
X-2....

AND, does it apply to forced induction cars, as well??????:)
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hemicop said:
Looks like he has the carb mounted sideways so as not to starve the motor for fuel at launch--it is a drag car, rememeber.As the car launches fuel sloshes to the rear causing a potentially lean condition. You see this on all the P/S & sportsman cars that use multiple carbs. For them it allows them to change jets without removing the carbs from the manifold.

Forced induction? Yes, as the combined pressure from the blower/turbo coupled with the rearward "push" at launch would cause the same (possible) lean condition.....
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hemicop was about half right... it help keep the carb from starving but the most inportant thing is fuel distrabution... with the carb 90*'s it makes to primarys on the front half of the motor(even with an open plenum...) so by turning the carb it splits the primaries, one for the front and rear(same with the secondaries...
 
ok so the drive shaft is in! the new tires are in with no cutting needed! just need to modify the valve cover, bleed the rear brakes, and brake in the new rear!
 

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805moparkid said:
hemicop was about half right... it help keep the carb from starving but the most inportant thing is fuel distrabution... with the carb 90*'s it makes to primarys on the front half of the motor(even with an open plenum...) so by turning the carb it splits the primaries, one for the front and rear(same with the secondaries...
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You missed what I was gettin at....and hemicop jump in and kinda convoluted it all up too. I wanna know why you chose that specific direction. I been buildin cars almost thirty years. I know the whys of mountin one sideways. That's not what I asked. Every other application I've seen save for yours has the primaries toward the engine. What's the difference and why do you believe that?
 
'" so by turning the carb it splits the primaries, one for the front and rear(same with the secondaries...")

And this is beneficial in terms of fuel distribution because of WHAT?

I am not being argumentative; I truly don't "get" the reason for doing this.

Acceleration is going to push the fuel toward the rear of the car, no matter HOW the carburetor is orientated. How is turning it 90-degrees going to change that? With the float bowls front-to-rear, the primaries would be covering the jets in the bottom of the float bowl even MORE, under hard acceleration, with the gas climbing up the back wall of the primary float bowl, wouldn't it? No way could it uncover the jets on the bottom of the float bowl with that rush of fuel to the back (due to extreme acceleration.)
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There COULD be some uncovering of the jets in the secondaries under rapid acceleration, but I have never heard complaints about that from any of my friends, some of who, have wheelstanding cars with 1.30-60 foot times.

If the carb is turned "sideways," what's to keep the fuel from all running to one side of the float bowls and uncovering the carb jet on the OTHER side of the float bowls?

Just sayin'...
 
StrokerScamp said:
You missed what I was gettin at....and hemicop jump in and kinda convoluted it all up too. I wanna know why you chose that specific direction. I been buildin cars almost thirty years. I know the whys of mountin one sideways. That's not what I asked. Every other application I've seen save for yours has the primaries toward the engine. What's the difference and why do you believe that?
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well in around town driving having the primaries farther from the to shortest intake ports alows the fuel to have a better chance at getting to the out side runners... on an all out race car it wouldn't matter...

Bill Dedman said:
'" so by turning the carb it splits the primaries, one for the front and rear(same with the secondaries...")

And this is beneficial in terms of fuel distribution because of WHAT?

I am not being argumentative; I truly don't "get" the reason for doing this.

Acceleration is going to push the fuel toward the rear of the car, no matter HOW the carburetor is orientated. How is turning it 90-degrees going to change that? With the float bowls front-to-rear, the primaries would be covering the jets in the bottom of the float bowl even MORE, under hard acceleration, with the gas climbing up the back wall of the primary float bowl, wouldn't it? No way could it uncover the jets on the bottom of the float bowl with that rush of fuel to the back (due to extreme acceleration.)
the
There COULD be some uncovering of the jets in the secondaries under rapid acceleration, but I have never heard complaints about that from any of my friends, some of who, have wheelstanding cars with 1.30-60 foot times.

If the carb is turned "sideways," what's to keep the fuel from all running to one side of the float bowls and uncovering the carb jet on the OTHER side of the float bowls?

Just sayin'...
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ok so if you have the two primaries sitting forward those two barrels are oriented over the front half of the engine and the rear two barrels are oriented over the rear half... for all out racing it probably doesn't matter cuz all four are open...


but on a street driven car you want as much distribution as you can get so with the primaries farthest away it gives the out side runners a better chance at pulling fuel in...

my car just isn't that fast lol...
 
805moparkid said:
well in around town driving having the primaries farther from the to shortest intake ports alows the fuel to have a better chance at getting to the out side runners... on an all out race car it wouldn't matter...
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That's what I was lookin for. That actually makes a little sense. Thanks.
 
Bill Dedman said:
'" so by turning the carb it splits the primaries, one for the front and rear(same with the secondaries...")

And this is beneficial in terms of fuel distribution because of WHAT?

I am not being argumentative; I truly don't "get" the reason for doing this.

Acceleration is going to push the fuel toward the rear of the car, no matter HOW the carburetor is orientated. How is turning it 90-degrees going to change that? With the float bowls front-to-rear, the primaries would be covering the jets in the bottom of the float bowl even MORE, under hard acceleration, with the gas climbing up the back wall of the primary float bowl, wouldn't it? No way could it uncover the jets on the bottom of the float bowl with that rush of fuel to the back (due to extreme acceleration.)
the
There COULD be some uncovering of the jets in the secondaries under rapid acceleration, but I have never heard complaints about that from any of my friends, some of who, have wheelstanding cars with 1.30-60 foot times.

If the carb is turned "sideways," what's to keep the fuel from all running to one side of the float bowls and uncovering the carb jet on the OTHER side of the float bowls?

Just sayin'...
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Well, I'm no engineer or scientist. But I have seen first hand that turning Holleys sideways on a tunnel ram makes a car pick up in the 1320. Damned if I know why, but it does. Throw whatever theory out there you want, but it works. It would seem to me that if fuel was pilin up against the rear side of the float bowls and uncovering jets on the front side that that pick up would not occur. Besides, all of the "jet uncovering" theories I've ever heard have to do with the REAR float bowls when the carburetors are facing foward. That would certainly tend to make one lay down on the top side it would seem.....but again, all I have is experience, no theories.
 
well its alive! after a 2hr diag of a knock i found that my tq bolts cam loose again even after using blue lock tight and cleaning them yada yada...

so tomorrow i'll torque the head and test the rear!
 
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