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Sorry Chris, but it doesn't make any engineering sense. If the center point of the pivot point of the wheel remains equidistant from the steering armature, then the angle of attack for each wheel remains constant. It's nothing more than a parallelogram swiveling off the centerline and it doesn't matter which side of it you drive the steering from.
That would be true if the thing was just a flat plate with a rod in the center to let the wheel ride in but it's not, there are angles built into the spindle that cause issues when reversed 180 degrees.
 
That would be true if the thing was just a flat plate with a rod in the center to let the wheel ride in but it's not, there are angles built into the spindle that cause issues when reversed 180 degrees.
I looked at them pretty close when I had them off, honestly IMO they are almost symmetrical, but I dont even know how to spell that. Thank you auto correct! So dont take my word on that.
 
I looked at them pretty close when I had them off, honestly IMO they are almost symmetrical, but I dont even know how to spell that. Thank you auto correct! So dont take my word on that.
They aren't. When I get to work tomorrow, I'll upload the CAD mock up I did of them when I was trying to design my own suspension around them. Which is why I called Ron to begin with. Was having issues getting the Ackerman right and that's when I learned it just isn't possible when flipping them. The 3D scan shows all the angles. I think the chassis manual has them too but I don't recall, these angles and dimensions for my drawing were done with our lasers. They're accurate to within 5 decimal places .
 
They aren't. When I get to work tomorrow, I'll upload the CAD mock up I did of them when I was trying to design my own suspension around them. Which is why I called Ron to begin with. Was having issues getting the Ackerman right and that's when I learned it just isn't possible when flipping them. The 3D scan shows all the angles. I think the chassis manual has them too but I don't recall, these angles and dimensions for my drawing were done with our lasers. They're accurate to within 5 decimal places .
I believe that is misappropriation of company equipment. LOL
 
That would be true if the thing was just a flat plate with a rod in the center to let the wheel ride in but it's not, there are angles built into the spindle that cause issues when reversed 180 degrees.
It still won't matter if the reverse configuration is symmetrical. It will still create the same angle of attack for each wheel with the only rotation being vertical which will not impact the angle of each wheel horizontally

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I used this chart and I believe the car is set to the Max. Performance Street. I would have to find the actual specs which are somewhere in the garage.
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Kind of surprised they recommend a negative camber starting point as it gains negative camber bad in corners. Then again that's probably why for the track/auto theybhave that listed as positive camber. Those guys are looking for every hundredth of a second in a corner.
 
They aren't. When I get to work tomorrow, I'll upload the CAD mock up I did of them when I was trying to design my own suspension around them. Which is why I called Ron to begin with. Was having issues getting the Ackerman right and that's when I learned it just isn't possible when flipping them. The 3D scan shows all the angles. I think the chassis manual has them too but I don't recall, these angles and dimensions for my drawing were done with our lasers. They're accurate to within 5 decimal places .
Oh and I think your overthinking it.. Just build it and try it out... Trial and error you know.. Then again, Im not going to be your test pilot!
 
Kind of surprised they recommend a negative camber starting point as it gains negative camber bad in corners. Then again that's probably why for the track/auto they have that listed as positive camber. Those guys are looking for every hundredth of a second in a corner.
I found that chart on here. Then chatted with a few guys about which would be best. I just passed the numbers onto the shop that set it up for me.
 
It still won't matter if the reverse configuration is symmetrical. It will still create the same angle of attack for each wheel with the only rotation being vertical which will not impact the angle of each wheel horizontally

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But again, you're only thinking of the center as if it comes off straight. It doesn't. Plus you're not factoring in things like KPI which is built into every single spindle
 
I found that chart on here. Then chatted with a few guys about which would be best. I just passed the numbers onto the shop that set it up for me.
Wel if it works and youre happy with it , then I works and you're happy with it, that's the important thing. I'm just trying to understand the how part of it
 

But again, you're only thinking of the center as if it comes off straight. It doesn't. Plus you're not factoring in things like KPI which is built into every single spindle
Chris, think about it, you are suggesting that the angle on attack for each wheel is different going forward than it is in reverse. That just isn't possible.

The adjustment of the steering linkage will be different if on the front or the rear, but the end result is the same.
 
This isnt the thread that I first found but its one of them that I used for reference.
Disc Converstion Help 71 Swinger

Edit, Here is the first thread I found.

A Body Disc Brake Swap 101
So you kept the lower ball joints on the side they were meant to be on from the factory. That makes a lot more sense now. I was under the impression you'd converted them to front steer, I.E. the steering linkage in front of the spindle(which is what AJE did, which is what spurred this debate). Keeping the Lower ball joints on the correct side would all but ruminate the kpi and Ackerman issues enough to where it's most likely in the range of the adjustment of the factory suspension.
 
Chris, keep in mind. Im still running a Mopar steering box and not a rack.. So not sure if that changes things for you.. I like that thread though... When I have more time I'll read it all, as well as click all the links.
Yes that does change things, greatly. See my above post
 
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