This will make you think about where your food comes from

[Frodee]

Agriculture srinks more every year. Farms and ranches get bigger to be more efficient and survive. Few people to take over when the parents retire/die off. Some kids grow up and move away not desiring the business/lifestyle
The number of farm families decline and each generation becomes further removed from what ag is and where our food actually comes from. As our population continues to grow, and IF the weather change will become a factor in the near future, hard times might be coming for the general population.!
Ag enterprises that are not diversified are at risk continually, beef, dairy, for example. The pork and poultry has gone 99% corporation. The poultry is more of a partnership between the chicken rancher and the company.
Ag is an occupation the person/family has to want. But wanting it will not get them there today. The costs of assets is too high and the return too low. It pretty much has to be inherited.

So true barbee6043. I have a dear friend here in North Dakota that is an organic farmer that cares about his crops and not in it for the money as much as trying to produce a good crop and take care of the soil he lives on. I have yet to find another man with his integrity.
If people knew that most of the farmers here in North Dakota that grow most of the Durum and lots of wheat spray there crops with round up to kill it before they harvest it might think twice about buying grain from the local store.
Farmers today could care less about there crops as far as I see, It's all about money not trying to make people healthy.My hat is off to all the small farmers that is still here.

 

[383Scampman]

I always wanted to be a farmer . Today farming is not for the faint of heart but if success comes your way the rewards can be great . Here in New Hampshire the soil is too rocky/stoney for large scale production . My neighbor tills 34 acres of veggies and rents another 25 acres . He also sells honey, maple syrup, blueberries, apples and forage crops . After the harvest he does logging. Has construction equipment , too . He takes a 4-6 week vacation during the winter . Oh, I forgot , he has a sand/gravel business too. I'd rather starve working for myself than work in some desk job that I hated . don't even tell me about the commute .

 

[chryslerfat]

So true barbee6043. I have a dear friend here in North Dakota that is an organic farmer that cares about his crops and not in it for the money as much as trying to produce a good crop and take care of the soil he lives on. I have yet to find another man with his integrity.
If people knew that most of the farmers here in North Dakota that grow most of the Durum and lots of wheat spray there crops with round up to kill it before they harvest it might think twice about buying grain from the local store.
Farmers today could care less about there crops as far as I see, It's all about money not trying to make people healthy.My hat is off to all the small farmers that is still here.

That is what gives farmers and Round up a bad name the farmers that dont use it correctly and allow it into our food and us.

 

[Bodyperson]

So true barbee6043. I have a dear friend here in North Dakota that is an organic farmer that cares about his crops and not in it for the money as much as trying to produce a good crop and take care of the soil he lives on. I have yet to find another man with his integrity.
If people knew that most of the farmers here in North Dakota that grow most of the Durum and lots of wheat spray there crops with round up to kill it before they harvest it might think twice about buying grain from the local store.
Farmers today could care less about there crops as far as I see, It's all about money not trying to make people healthy.My hat is off to all the small farmers that is still here.

Wow I didn't know they killed it first with round up. I guess they are expediting the harvest? Not sure why they would do that.

 

[chryslerfat]

Wow I didn't know they killed it first with round up. I guess they are expediting the harvest? Not sure why they would do that.

They do that because of money and greed. If you take wheat off early enough you can plant soybeans and get a second crop the same year and double your money on the same acres of land.

 

[Frodee]

That is what gives farmers and Round up a bad name the farmers that dont use it correctly and allow it into our food and us.

Not a big fan of round up chryslerfat but what can you do to stay farming as a small farmer. If you can keep the round up at a minimum it sure is better than the big farmers I would think.
I have hauled a lot of grain by semi in the last 15 years and had a lot of loads from small farmers that was way better than the big farmers. You could smell the difference.

 

[Frodee]

Wow I didn't know they killed it first with round up. I guess they are expediting the harvest? Not sure why they would do that.

BP and don't think that most of the organic is better I hauled a lot of it and it was bad. Smelled like poop and was real dirty.

 

[Bodyperson]

BP and don't think that most of the organic is better I hauled a lot of it and it was bad. Smelled like poop and was real dirty.

I just read some more about it. Made me feel a little better about it... If its true.

 

[Frodee]

I just read some more about it. Made me feel a little better about it... If its true.

What part? That the round up is not on the seed?

 

[Bodyperson]

What part? That the round up is not on the seed?

I didn't read that about the seeds. The amount they use and its only a north/south Dakota and some Canada which amounts to about 5% production. And the reasons why.

 

[Frodee]

I didn't read that about the seeds. The amount they use and its only a north/south Dakota and some Canada which amounts to about 5% production. And the reasons why.

From what I know I live in the biggest farm country for Durham in the world. That would be wheat for noodles. Not sure how much roundup goes in that. I still eat what we grow here and will support the small farms as much as I can.
I am Italian and love pasta. lol

 

[dirty white boy]

use to haul alotta organically grown produce outta california back up the east coast and its so much nicer than the garbage id haul to the big chain warehouses!!! freight won't any better but the price per box was about doubled what same non-organic stuff was a case!! never had ag inspector called in on an organic load ether witch happens alot at the big box stores! them chain warehouses never buy no.1 product ether nore no.2, no.3 to no.6 is their target buy area! dont get me started on meat! thay raise chickens in 4 week cycles, 2 of them weeks the birds be glowing in the dark!!!!

 

[RustyRatRod]

Regardless of the food issue, here we are again with some liberal politician trying to tell us how we should live, raise our children and what they should and should not become. **** them.

 

[Frodee]

use to haul alotta organically grown produce outta california back up the east coast and its so much nicer than the garbage id haul to the big chain warehouses!!! freight won't any better but the price per box was about doubled what same non-organic stuff was a case!! never had ag inspector called in on an organic load ether witch happens alot at the big box stores! them chain warehouses never buy no.1 product ether nore no.2, no.3 to no.6 is their target buy area! dont get me started on meat! thay raise chickens in 4 week cycles, 2 of them weeks the birds be glowing in the dark!!!!

For sure on the chickens dirty white boy. I had a semi route hauling organic food out of Oregon in to Montana, North Dakota and Minnesota I had around 50 drops and 500 customers to deal with. All most everyone was a woman that had no idea what a semi was all about and I delivered to most peoples door.
Yea I know you drive semi and yes bad areas to get in and out of and a 53' tailor and I am the worlds most worse semi backer upper.
But anyway organic paid good for sure I made over $ 3000 in a little over a week and did the route every month. But after about 3 years I couldn't handle all the women calling me all the time wondering if I was going to be at there house on time. Yea like I said 50 drops and 500 woman.

 

[doogievlg]

Spent the evening cutting up a whitetail. Here in about 8 hours I’ll be walking back into the woods with my Remington 870 in hand. We have a freezer full of crappie, largemouth, and catfish. As well as 6 pheasants. Wild game is a resource that the majority of Americans will never take advantage of and it can greatly reduce the factory farming that is going on in this country.

 

[Frodee]

Spent the evening cutting up a whitetail. Here in about 8 hours I’ll be walking back into the woods with my Remington 870 in hand. We have a freezer full of crappie, largemouth, and catfish. As well as 6 pheasants. Wild game is a resource that the majority of Americans will never take advantage of and it can greatly reduce the factory farming that is going on in this country.

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My oldest son lives in the pan handle of Alaska he and his wife and 2 young sons. been living off the land for more than 4 years. I can understand for sure what you are saying.

 

[barbee6043]

Round Up in my opinion is no doubt a carcinogen. Yea I have an agronomy degree from 48 years ago BUT I have no idea if the chemical can be fond in the grain of any crop. I also believe their is no problem with genetically altered plants UNLESS the resistance to Round UP alters the plant and it takes up that harmful/deadly chemical. Look up Agent Orange, it killed many Nam vets.
Many crops are "no till", that I the land is not worked up before planting. This saves land from erosion, but also eliminates some costs, but on other hand, also off set by the cost of herbicide to control weeds at planting.
We raise a large garden, I used to have my own flock of layers, bought pork/beef locally. There are ways a person can control a lot of his diet but it take work and time. Convenience is not a part of it!!!!!

 

[doogievlg]

Good trip to the grocery today.

 

[gunbunny]

My family got out of dairy farming in the early '80s. They still farmed tobacco until the subsidies on tobacco dried up. There was just no money to be made any longer. They weren't farming out of the goodness of their hearts. Cattle were 24/7/365, cows didn't care it was Christmas, or that you wanted to take a vacation. That was work that just never stopped.
Anyone who farms has nothing but my respect.

 

[Louie70Dart]

A lot of the family farms where I live are gone. Sold out.... There is a saying, 'land rich, but money poor.' Kenosha County used to big in farming, even east of Interstate 94. Now all those farms, and dairy farms are gone, sold out to developers for big bucks..... What the hell, least their hard work paid off in the end I guess.

 

[chryslerfat]

Round Up in my opinion is no doubt a carcinogen. Yea I have an agronomy degree from 48 years ago BUT I have no idea if the chemical can be fond in the grain of any crop. I also believe their is no problem with genetically altered plants UNLESS the resistance to Round UP alters the plant and it takes up that harmful/deadly chemical. Look up Agent Orange, it killed many Nam vets.
Many crops are "no till", that I the land is not worked up before planting. This saves land from erosion, but also eliminates some costs, but on other hand, also off set by the cost of herbicide to control weeds at planting.
We raise a large garden, I used to have my own flock of layers, bought pork/beef locally. There are ways a person can control a lot of his diet but it take work and time. Convenience is not a part of it!!!!!

Round Up is not Agent Orange look it up on Google.

 

[barbee6043]

My grandparents farmed hundred of acres with lots of mules. My mother had 4 brothers and 6 sister. The brothers got the farm divided up when the parents died off. That was a 2000 ac farm divided in the 1930's. Mom was a sister, got nothing.
I get an ag degree in 1970, get out of college and work an ag job, in ag finance. I tried to buy a 200 ac farm for $60,000, dad and me got turned down by the banker. So I struggle to do it all on my on. Work a job , me and the wife, buy some land, sell it at a profit, buy some more. Little places. I am buying cattle, calves, then the govn't price freeze. Anyone remember that? Bout 1975. Their method to control inflation. Freeze goes off , my calves are now worth $.10 a lb. Next to nothing!! Holy ****!!!! So quit my job and I sell out, all my cattle, take a big enough loss, sell my equipment that had been going UP in value, my land that had been going UP, quit my job and we move from Ga. to Mo. Buy 40 ac their with farmhouse and barns, for $24,000 in 1979! Paid off! Stay with my quarter horse business, and yep still work a job wife an me, to pay the bills!!! So after a few decades I have a few cracked vertebrae in the back and some in the neck, broken this and that other, but I would not change a thing UNLESS MOM had been born one of the BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

 

[barbee6043]

Round Up is not Agent Orange look it up on Google.

Is it now the same chemistry!??? Maybe I am totally wrong.
Do you know how many Nam GI's died from the exposure to Agent Orange?

 

[chryslerfat]

Is it now the same chemistry!??? Maybe I am totally wrong.
Do you know how many Nam GI's died from the exposure to Agent Orange?

You will find when you look it up 2-4-D is close but Round Up is far from Agent Orange. 2-4-D has been in use for a long time and it is on golf course lawns and people use it for a nice weed free lawn. Google is our friend and by searching we become smarter than big brother wants us to be. I know several Nam Vets that were affected by it and some that committed suicide because of cancer diagnosis linked to the Orange.

 

[Frodee]

My grandparents farmed hundred of acres with lots of mules. My mother had 4 brothers and 6 sister. The brothers got the farm divided up when the parents died off. That was a 2000 ac farm divided in the 1930's. Mom was a sister, got nothing.
I get an ag degree in 1970, get out of college and work an ag job, in ag finance. I tried to buy a 200 ac farm for $60,000, dad and me got turned down by the banker. So I struggle to do it all on my on. Work a job , me and the wife, buy some land, sell it at a profit, buy some more. Little places. I am buying cattle, calves, then the govn't price freeze. Anyone remember that? Their method to control inflation. Freeze goes off , my calves are now worth $.10 a lb. Next to nothing!! Holy ****!!!! So quit my job and I sell out, all my cattle, take a big enough loss, sell my equipment that had been going UP in value, my land that had been going UP, quit my job and we move from Ga. to Mo. Buy 40 ac their with farmhouse and barns, for $24,000 in 1979! Paid off! Stay with my quarter horse business, and yep still work a job wife an me, to pay the bills!!! So after a few decades I have a few cracked vertebrae in the back and some in the neck, broken this and that other, but I would not change a thing UNLESS MOM had been born one of the BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

• Sounds like to me barbee6043 that you are a man of good values and a hard worker I would like to meet you some day. Thanks for sharing what you did in your life. Just put you 3 more levels higher on the ladder. lol