thoughts on porting stock heads

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I have a friend that said he could port my heads for me. he owns a machine shop and said he would do it on the side for $350. my question is, I am looking to try and make about 375 or so at the crank. will the stock heads ported be able to support this? this would be with higher compression pistons and all the other things ie cam, intake, carb, headers, and ignition.
 

Not stock 318 heads. Unless you cam and compress it half way to death.
Ported heads make it alot easier to achieve this goal. It also makes it easier to do with a smaller cam.

Go for it. Use 360 valves at the least, a 2.02 would probably be real good at this point.
 
right. he said port and polish. 2.02/1.60 valves. I am just courious what ported and polished with big valve stock heads are good for. would i be better off with aluminum heads for the power i am shooting for.
 
The stock 70 318 heads would be my 3rd or 4th choice of factory heads for this.

First choice would be Magnum heads as they flow pretty decent and have an efficient chamber to begin with. There is a little bit involved in the swap, but it's no big deal unless you already have an LA intake and stuff.

Next choice would be 360 heads. Face it at 375 HP you need the bigger ports and valves just for airflow. These heads have a bigger chamber so add the costs of having the deck/intake faces milled to increase compression, plus custom shorter pushrods. Until the Magnum heads came out, this WAS the typical setup for a high HP 318.

Third would be the late LA "302" casting 318 heads. These were the best 318 LA heads, and have a smaller intake port which will help low RPM throttle response a little. These heads also have a smaller chamber which, like the Magnums will help compression without a lot of machining. BUT the smaller ports will hurt you at higher RPM more than they help down low, especially since a 375 HP 318 won't exactly be a stump puller.

Fourth would be the heads you have now. 318 heads is 318 heads, yours only have the advantage of no air injection port to plug. And, you own a set which counts for something I suppose.

Reality check time... Add the $350 for porting to 16 new valves, 16 new guides, 8 hardened exhaust seats, springs, milling for compression and the associated labor and you'll have $1000 into the heads. Now price out a set of assembled RHS or Eddy heads which will support 375 HP out of the box.

A 375 HP 318 is certainly doable, but a 375 HP 360 is easier, cheaper and will support more down the road. Something to think about early on in the project, do you want a 318, or do you want 375 HP? Also, if you go the Magnum route, start with a complete Magnum engine as everything is at least 20 years newer. In fact 5.9 Magnum truck engine cores are pretty easy to come by. Why not start there, and copy the MP 380 horse crate engine setup?
 
I think by the time you are done you will realistically be over $1500 in those 318 heads. You'll need new exh seats too, plus mods to make a modern cam grind work and you're still left with an open chamber a little bigger than one might want. I would simply upgrade to the RHS Magnums or a set of RPMs if you have a larger engine in mind for the future.
 
ok. i think i will just save up for the aluminum RPM heads. thanks. what are your thoughts with using the package. . . heads intake cam all RPM?
 
ok. so was doing some reading and with the stock heads what kind of HP can they support ported? what would be a good cam? wanting to use the kb167 pistons .30 over. headers? intake? carb? looking for recomendations and what i could expect. thanks!
 
ok. i think i will just save up for the aluminum RPM heads. thanks. what are your thoughts with using the package. . . heads intake cam all RPM?

If you are going to port the eddy heads you better be prepared to dump 3k on those heads complete! Look into a set of RHS X Heads already done to support around 400 to 450 hp right out of the gate with no port work.....

Check these out....I think these are the BEST bang for the buck! They will support around .520 lift in this trim which is right where you will end up with your goals for that engine........These are complete ready to bolt on and run! You could even use your stock rocker gear to keep the cost down more until you want to upgrade them....

READ THIS::::: http://www.hughesengines.com/TechArticles/311laxandmaxironsmallblockheads.php

http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/...cw==&level1=Q3lsaW5kZXIgSGVhZHM=&partid=25746

or these are 400.00 Cheaper

http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/...cw==&level1=Q3lsaW5kZXIgSGVhZHM=&partid=25741
 
for right now I am kinda wanting to just use what I have. which is a complete 318. I want to get the car back on the road and enjoy driving it a little before I tear it down for "THE BUILD"..........so the questions are. with mild porting, the higher compression pistons, and a fresh rebuild, what cam? intake? headers? etc.....etc....etc.... and what could i expect from this build. just want to get an idea....you know.
 
for right now I am kinda wanting to just use what I have. which is a complete 318. I want to get the car back on the road and enjoy driving it a little before I tear it down for "THE BUILD"..........so the questions are. with mild porting, the higher compression pistons, and a fresh rebuild, what cam? intake? headers? etc.....etc....etc.... and what could i expect from this build. just want to get an idea....you know.

With 10.1,an xe 274 or similar cam and air gap intake and the ported 318 heads probaly 350.You can open the port openings to this gasket http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FPP-1243/ which will match the ede air gaps ports of 1.08x2.10,this requires alot of grinding on the roof of the port to raise it but other than that it gos quick since theres very little clean up in the guide area so its just bowl porting.The problem is after all that they will have tremendous low end response from the velocity but in terms of actual flow numbers they dont do any better than a stock 360 head with a good vlave job.So if your running the kbs that will get the compression my advice is to find a cheap set of 596s which are very common and rebuild them stock and get the same performance for less money,or better do a bowl blend and a gasket match and get your desired hp.
 
With stock size valves, good porting, good valve job, 11/32 valves, 9.5:1, rpm intake, 650 carb, and at least 224@ .050 on the intake side for a cam you'll make an honest 325HP.
After that, it starts costing $$$. The RHS heads will bolt on about 20HP over those heads in that build OOTB.
But more $$$.

Best $$$ spent is using a 360 magnum short block, hyd. roller cam w/oem lifters, Edelbrock magnum heads with mild porting, all stock components (crank rods pistons).
With 226-234@ .050 and .560 lift it'll make 410HP on my dyno. Cost is around 6K from carb to pan.
Your way with the 318 is much much cheaper and will net good power so long as the porting is good.
 
so what cam would that be? looking and seeing 284/284 484/484 w/improved driveability . . ..?
 
$350 "on the side" is pretty cheap. Not trying to knock him, but unless he's a good friend that is CHEAP.

That said, also if he's not a "small block mopar" guy, hopefully he has a flow bench. Otherwise the guy holding the grinder is GUESSING. My advice would be to advise him to not get too carried away...

I know a guy who bought a set of X heads, the porting looked FANTASTIC. Some of the best porting/polishing I have ever seen. Then we threw em on the bench. Flowed WORSE that stock heads.

Understand the using-what-you-have concept, but if you're doing such a complete rebuild, spend the extra $150-$400 and get a good 360 core shortblock. The price of that core will more than pay you back in smiles-per-gallon!
 
i met this guy a few years ago from car stuff. . we both had GMC Syclone pick ups and hung out quite a bit. his family and mine. so i would say beyond the car stuff we are pretty good friends. and he does not do this for customers. and his idea for the porting would be gasket matching and smoothing. having said that i talked to him and i am gonna take a whack at it. being these are not the most desired heads anyways.
 
i met this guy a few years ago from car stuff. . we both had GMC Syclone pick ups and hung out quite a bit. his family and mine. so i would say beyond the car stuff we are pretty good friends. and he does not do this for customers. and his idea for the porting would be gasket matching and smoothing. having said that i talked to him and i am gonna take a whack at it. being these are not the most desired heads anyways.

great choice! i hope they turn out well for you. like everything else, there is a wide sprectrum on what you can spend. go for it and have fun!
 
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