Z bar linkage alignment. Does this look right?

[MRL777]

1970 Dart 340 Swinger
Swapped 4 speed 833 in place of original 3 speed.

Went smoothly overall, but concerned about this angle on BH side. Is this normal?
Having some trouble with lock spring washers/clips, so wondering if alignment issue or just my arthritis.

New bushings/seals. Don't have "before"pictures to compare.

 

[TF360]

No the Z-bar is off kilter there. There are 2 nylon bushings that go in the end around each ball stud and also a u-shaped clip that hols them in place at the end there

 

[TF360]

Same Bell? Same Ball stud from the 3-speed?

 

[Dana67Dart]

Post some photos of the z bar brace on the outside of the of the frame rail.

 

[MRL777]

Yes, same bell and ball stud from 3 speed.

Will get more pics asap.

 

[Oldmanmopar]

Looks like you may have the wrong bracket with the ball on the bell housing. seen that many times. Dan from Brewers Transmission should be able to hook you up

 

[MRL777]

Post some photos of the z bar brace on the outside of the of the frame rail.

This?

 

[junkyardhero]

it almost looks like the Z bar is a little too short.

anyway, your thinking is spot on, the angle of the dangle ain't right.

 

[MRL777]

Looks like you may have the wrong bracket with the ball on the bell housing. seen that many times. Dan from Brewers Transmission should be able to hook you up

Love Dan. Unless I misunderstood him, I thought they were the same, I'll double check. Thank you

 

[RustyRatRod]

That's a good bit of vertical misalignment. Two things come to mind. Either like @Oldmanmopar said, you have the incorrect bracket on the bellhousing, OR your driver's side motor mount is badly crushed.

 

[Dana67Dart]

This?

Yep. Looks to move on the right position.

Some helpful info

Z-bar not aligned properly

 

[Dana67Dart]

Any chance your engine is not level left to right?

But my bet is on the wrong bell housing brkt

 

[MRL777]

Very possible since I just had it out.

Will give me something else to check!
Thanks

 

[Daves69]

Yes, same bell and ball stud from 3 speed.

Is that how it looked and functioned before you pulled the 3 speed?

 

[MRL777]

Is that how it looked and functioned before you pulled the 3 speed?

That is part of my problem, first A body and I didn't think to take pics down there beforehand, so had no reference and could not find pics online.

 

[TF360]

Send that Pic to Brewers and he will know right away if the Bracket is wrong

 

[Daves69]

...so had no reference and could not find pics online....

Just working off the top two pictures, the top one appears to show the Z parallel to the firewall. It also appears the peddle rod is shifted toward the trans in the image, as in not centered through the seal (not that it's essential).
The second picture clearly shows the Z tilted down toward the trans.
Might raising the trans ball stud straighten the Z out?
Were there any shims between the trans mount and trans?
Engine location and side to side level should be checked a stated previously.
TTI provide some location approximates.........
Footnote #39

The frame bracket is likely fine IMO. I've seen several positioned differently on the frame. The undercoat spray angle gives it a suspicious look.

Mopar Big-Block A-Body 4-Speed Conversion

Some trans info from MP...........

 

[CRUZE 418]

Almost mentioned above, do you realize that there is up to 1/2" movement in your motor mount bracket to engine block?

 

[MRL777]

Just working off the top two pictures, the top one appears to show the Z parallel to the firewall. It also appears the peddle rod is shifted toward the trans in the image, as in not centered through the seal (not that it's essential).
The second picture clearly shows the Z tilted down toward the trans.
Might raising the trans ball stud straighten the Z out?
Were there any shims between the trans mount and trans?
Engine location and side to side level should be checked a stated previously.
TTI provide some location approximates.........
Footnote #39

The frame bracket is likely fine IMO. I've seen several positioned differently on the frame. The undercoat spray angle gives it a suspicious look.

http://[URL]https://web.archive.org.../www.bigblockdart.com/techpages/4sptech.shtml

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Some trans info from MP...........
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This may be very helpful, thank you!
It does look to me like the ball being higher could work. There were no shims on trans mount.
Frame bracket is stock I believe.
Since Dan originally told me everything is the same from the 3 to 4 speed (if I understood him correctly), and from pictures of the brackets on his website, I think it is the correct bracket.
I will still send him a picture to be sure.

What I am really starting to question now is the engine angle, since I put on new engine/trans mounts when I put the engine/trans in, wondering if I did something incorrectly on a mount.

This all has been very helpful, now just need to figure it out. So many details to get right.
Thanks again.

 

[MRL777]

Almost mentioned above, do you realize that there is up to 1/2" movement in your motor mount bracket to engine block?

Did not realize that it could be that much.
Starting to think I may need to look closer at the mounts, may have made an error there, not sure yet, thanks

 

[CRUZE 418]

Engine hoist would be helpful. Engine will move in all planes, horizontal and vertical. May have to loosen the nut on the bottom of the mount in k-frame too.
Best of luck

 

[MRL777]

Engine hoist would be helpful. Engine will move in all planes, horizontal and vertical. May have to loosen the nut on the bottom of the mount in k-frame too.
Best of luck

Is it acceptable to shim/washers at the k frame bolt if needed? Or no?

 

[CRUZE 418]

You could, I have seen it. Hopefully you won't need to make one

 

[dano]

To me it look like the ball bracket on the bell is bent. It should be flat, straight, or whatever word you want to use to define not bent.

 

[CRUZE 418]

Good catch, that could be all or part of it.