doogievlg
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Please keep us updated on this. If the guys showed up and took out Paddock then started shooting that means they took the 23 weapons with them right when it began.
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Please keep us updated on this. If the guys showed up and took out Paddock then started shooting that means they took the 23 weapons with them right when it began.
I just got done reading an article from one of the most reknown crime researchers in the world from Yale University. I was shocked at some of the data he referenced in his article and had to pass this on.
In regards to Mass Shootings and the number of them and the frequency, the US ranks 11th in the world in the number of mass shootings and 12th in frequency. Behind Norway, Switzerland, France, Finland Belgium and several other EU countries.
and the US isn't even in the top half of countries in terms of the overall Homicide rate nor in the top half for countries in firearm connected deaths or injuries. Again, most of the EU is higher than the US.
Per Dr. John Lott, Professor and crime researcher, Yale University.
Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries - Crime Prevention Research Center
UPDATED: Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe - Crime Prevention Research Center
holy crap!
or he was the financial supporter of it and they killed him to keep him quiet?
doogievlg
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Did not read the links yet but always question statistics. The definition of a mass shooting that the FBI uses is 5 people shot in one incident. That means a lot of gang activity and idiots are registered as mass shootings. Dr. Lott is indeed the most famous man in the CJ world at this time but I am interested to read these articles later and see what he is using to define mass shooting.
famous bob
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___________________ Did that bother u ? Just made a true statement, non name calling.
Well, u are right, about the only mental health cases I`ve seen or heard about are nutsos w/ an arrest report/ newspaper/ media. Have been going to church for many , many years, haven`t run across on yet. Like I said, weather you believe it or not. Your life is in ur own hands.! I have a cop in the family, I probable hear (I usually ask) more about the wackos than most people. My family cop has been trained for mental health situations, and even teaches it now, along w/ a few other things.
ScampMike
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to think this scenario out - to contemplate what it would have taken to make this happen.. I sure hope it proves to be false.
He uses the FBI's definition but i think i saw where it was quoted as 4 or more victims. Throw out the gang related stuff, and the numbers drop exponentially.
But either way, it disproves the media spun notion that we lead the world in mass shootings. When we dont
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Divenut
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I saw several news stories stating that the a-hole fired through the hotel room door injuring a hotel security guard prior to the police blasting the door. At which time they found the scumbag coward dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot. Very doubtful anyone was else in the room. Also, those casinos have incredibly thorough surveillance systems. If anyone else entered or left that room, they'd know it. While it makes for great drama, it sure appears this POS was alone in the room.
The whole thing just makes me sick. The deaths, the injuries, the ruined families, the politicizing of it. Seems many folks in our country are more interested in their political agendas and "party line" than actual humanity, camaraderie, compromise and compassion. With neither side willing to even entertain the other's ideas and thoughts on what makes sense regarding guns laws, enforcement, training (Or anything else for that matter.) I fear we'll continue to see more of this sort of carnage.
Apparently I am an anomaly in that I'm and avid hunter, target shooter, plinker, skeet shooter, reloader and CCW permit holder. Was a NRA member decades ago, but no longer am. Got my first gun (Old single shot 12 gauge at the age of 9), have voted for both parties over the years given the choices' message and stance on what's important to me. But have probably leaned a little left of center in recent years. Perhaps the addition of my beautiful twin daughters got me looking at things a bit differently...who knows.
Go ahead..start flaming me folks. I'm a big boy LOL! But let's not forget that while we engage in our tough talk, there are 59 families that can't say goodnight to a loved one this evening. And 500+ families that are struggling to deal with and comprehend what happened to their loved ones. All the the pro/anti gun crap and liberal verse conservative nonsense isn't gonna do a damn thing to undo the tragedy.
Be well folks,
Pat
mopar head
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This smells like The Barry boy`s regime, cia/fbi holdovers running amuck domestically.
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To be fair to You, You're ignorant as to the laws & The Constitution of the U.S.A as pertaining to these weapons, as well as the weapons themselves & Federal laws applied
to them. The weapons were no more high powered than any common hunting rifle, and in this tragic "fish in a barrel" scenario, accuracy wasn't that important either. So
none of these firearms were special at all, except some of them were either purchased or converted to fully auto fire. In this country, to purchase a fully auto weapon, You
undergo serious scrutiny by all local/state/federal/BATF/FBI to obtain what is known as a FFL-III. A class-3 Federal Firearms License takes months of background checks &
investigation, They will interview neighbors, sometimes co-workers, etc.,etc., so it isn't " oh I'd like 100 rounds of CCI Velociter 22LR, and, um I'll take a full auto .50 cal
too...." It don't work that way. I know, a former employer was a huge WWII collector, and needed one to purchase a BAR for His collection. Never intending to fire it doesn't
matter, even for a collectible that may be rendered inoperative, You HAVE to have an FFL-III to purchase one legally. Converting semi-autos is another matter, and just like
members here can modify, re-arrange, turbocharge, their rides, well, so too can those who wish w/the skills do the same to a firearm. You live in Canada, to be frank, the
U.S.A. couldn't have asked for a better neighbor, but do You hike up there? Have You walked around an outcrop of brush and found Yourself 30' away from two cubs? What
kind of trouble do You think You might be in at that moment? I can tell You, and so can the Dept. of Gamelands/Resrves/Forrestry no matter what side of the border You're
on, Mamma's not far & Your life is in danger. Any Brown/Kodiac bear they recommend a minimum 30.06 and EMPTY the magazine into the animal, re-load if poss., and if
the animal moves REPEAT. You have only moments to decide if the animal is going to charge You, and less once it does, they are fast!! Worse, if You only wound the bear,
and it flees, You are responsible for tracking and finishing the kill. If not, it may come across unsuspecting hikers/animals already in fear/attack mode, YOU are responsible.
I suppose We could all just hide indoors, pretend that bad people don't collaborate, smoke a bunch of weed(legalized of course) and pretend real life isn't ugly sometimes,
but it is. Liberty is dangerous, just like driving 80, or 100, or 250mph, but I will live with the danger, and remain as independent as possible 'til I'm gone.
john dodge
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we probably have the harshest gun and weapon laws in the world here in oz....
you cant even own a air rifle or any ammunition for anything without permits etc
my thoughts are for the American people and there familys...
you could take all the guns and weapons away....
you still wont stop people from harming other people....
you cant even own a air rifle or any ammunition for anything without permits etc
my thoughts are for the American people and there familys...
you could take all the guns and weapons away....
you still wont stop people from harming other people....
Well, I wou
Well, I'd suggest skipping to 6:30, that right there is the meat.....astonishing & no surprise. Sometimes it's better to not let certain people know You know they exist, let
alone looking for them, I wish I trusted that that would be the case, but........................................
Well, I'd suggest skipping to 6:30, that right there is the meat.....astonishing & no surprise. Sometimes it's better to not let certain people know You know they exist, let
alone looking for them, I wish I trusted that that would be the case, but........................................
doogievlg
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This honestly is starting to bother me more and more. I went to probably half a dozen big country concerts that were outdoors this summer and in the back of my mind I always thought about what I would do if someone opened fire but I never thought it would happen. Really makes me want to stop doing to big events like that but then I know the scum bags have gotten what they want.
Ddaddy
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The conspiracy theory crap is just that...crap.
Don't you think if a terrorist organization was really behind it that they would be pushing the message that this guy was really one of theirs and the US government is lying to the people?
Yeah, ISIS is just laying low while the FBI denies their involvement...and letting them do it.
Let's stop the crap and focus on the victims of the tragedy. They deserve our attention far more than wild theories do. We need help them heal, and this crap doesn't enable that to happen.
The time will come later to discuss what to do about preventing it from happening again...after we know all the facts. Until then, there are people to care for who have had their lives totally destroyed...and they need all of us to help them.
Don't you think if a terrorist organization was really behind it that they would be pushing the message that this guy was really one of theirs and the US government is lying to the people?
Yeah, ISIS is just laying low while the FBI denies their involvement...and letting them do it.
Let's stop the crap and focus on the victims of the tragedy. They deserve our attention far more than wild theories do. We need help them heal, and this crap doesn't enable that to happen.
The time will come later to discuss what to do about preventing it from happening again...after we know all the facts. Until then, there are people to care for who have had their lives totally destroyed...and they need all of us to help them.
mopar head
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Throw up a link to this bomb info.
Ddaddy
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AP news
My little town was turned upside down today. A beautiful young lady was taken in a brutal assault.
They caught the suspect shortly after, but it wont bring her back.
Be it a mass shooting or a stabbing,no person can predict another's bad intentions, and we all cannot live our lives like theres a killer around the next corner. Guns,knives,spoons or rocks and even pillows can be weapons. How about we teach our children a little more respect for human life. Even then ,capitol punishment should be mandated when there is no question about who is guilty.
They caught the suspect shortly after, but it wont bring her back.
Be it a mass shooting or a stabbing,no person can predict another's bad intentions, and we all cannot live our lives like theres a killer around the next corner. Guns,knives,spoons or rocks and even pillows can be weapons. How about we teach our children a little more respect for human life. Even then ,capitol punishment should be mandated when there is no question about who is guilty.
I was simply pointing out this young woman's eyewitness statement that a woman told another attendee that they were all going to die, 45 minutes before it started, and
was removed by security. That is not conspiratorial, that was an eyewitness on the scene, and seemed believable. I don't know (nor any of Us) if this assclown was at all
tied to ISIS or anything, maybe His creepy girlfriend got in His head, who knows. If anybody else knew this was going down besides the assclown, they are complicit in
their silence, and are a conspiracy by nature of that fact. It need not be all cloak & dagger Gubment BS. It only takes two to conspire Sir. I agree there are many needing
prayers and support right now, and the reasons why don't matter to them at this time, I have family in Vegas & am thankful They are OK.
Every inch of those hotels are generally covered with video feeds. Every hallway is monitored. Just how would a second person or shooter exit the premises undetected?
No chance IMO. They can look/see every person that entered or exited the room.
No chance IMO. They can look/see every person that entered or exited the room.
mopar head
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Checked it out, Nothing...
Ddaddy
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It there. Read the articles.
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