LOL!! EV range not only reduced in cold, ALSO reduced in HEAT!!

[67Dart273]

Extreme heat can reduce EV battery range by 31%, study says


Range decreases an average of 5% at 90 degrees and 31% at 100 degrees, the company found. Recurrent based its findings on EVs reporting their real-world range combined with reported national high temperatures from July 4th.


How much range a vehicle loses in extreme heat varies by model. At a temperature of 90 degrees, the Ford Mustang Mach-E and F-150 Lightning lost the least range — just 1% compared with EPA estimates. The Nissan Leaf lost 22%, the Chevy Bolt lost 9% and the Hyundai Kona lost 5%.


Tesla was a unique case for all four vehicles in its lineup, including the Model 3, Model Y, Model S and Model X. Most Teslas get only 60% of their EPA-estimated range even in moderate temperatures of 60 degrees. From 60 to 100 degrees, their range is virtually the same, the study found.


A 2019 study from the American Automobile Association found that EV range dropped 4% at 95 degrees without using air conditioning and 17% when AC was running.


To help combat range loss, Recurrent recommends pre-cooling a car while it’s plugged in, as well as using sunshades or parking in the shade to help reduce heat. The initial cooldown of a car takes more energy than maintaining it at a comfortable temperature, the study said.


While extreme heat affects the range of many EVs, studies have found extreme cold is more likely to deplete range because the difference in a car’s cabin temperature and outside is greater.

 

[33IMP]

Maybe that's why I don't see many EV's around here. 115° in the shade.

 

[Kern Dog]

Extreme heat can reduce EV battery range by 31%, study says


Range decreases an average of 5% at 90 degrees and 31% at 100 degrees, the company found. Recurrent based its findings on EVs reporting their real-world range combined with reported national high temperatures from July 4th.


How much range a vehicle loses in extreme heat varies by model. At a temperature of 90 degrees, the Ford Mustang Mach-E and F-150 Lightning lost the least range — just 1% compared with EPA estimates. The Nissan Leaf lost 22%, the Chevy Bolt lost 9% and the Hyundai Kona lost 5%.


Tesla was a unique case for all four vehicles in its lineup, including the Model 3, Model Y, Model S and Model X. Most Teslas get only 60% of their EPA-estimated range even in moderate temperatures of 60 degrees. From 60 to 100 degrees, their range is virtually the same, the study found.


A 2019 study from the American Automobile Association found that EV range dropped 4% at 95 degrees without using air conditioning and 17% when AC was running.


To help combat range loss, Recurrent recommends pre-cooling a car while it’s plugged in, as well as using sunshades or parking in the shade to help reduce heat. The initial cooldown of a car takes more energy than maintaining it at a comfortable temperature, the study said.


While extreme heat affects the range of many EVs, studies have found extreme cold is more likely to deplete range because the difference in a car’s cabin temperature and outside is greater.

I have an easy fix for that. Simply don't buy any of those pieces of ****.

 

[Cuprum-74]

Ya know... That explains everything, I've been seeing quite a few EV's around here driving on the freeway with their windows down.
I was thinking "Don't they have AC?"
I don't have AC (yet) so I have an excuse. But man, it got up to 103 -104 in my neck of the woods. And it's supposed to be even hotter today.
Yeah, I need to finish my aftermarket AC install.

 

[67Dart273]

Ya know... That explains everything, I've been seeing quite a few EV's around here driving on the freeway with their windows down.
I was thinking "Don't they have AC?"
I don't have AC (yet) so I have an excuse. But man, it got up to 103 -104 in my neck of the woods. And it's supposed to be even hotter today.
Yeah, I need to finish my aftermarket AC install.

Weird, ain't it? In some cases, AC in fuel vehicles can HELP mileage due to streamlining and drag reduction. But even if it doesn't, you just spend a few minutes refueling the liquid battery!!

 

[pt70]

Back in the day I remember running the AC for 10 - 15 minutes until the black vinyl seats cooled down after a day at the beach. Gas was cheap then. My neighbor runs his Dodge Hemi pick up about 15 minutes during winter mornings. He had to get his cam and lifters replaced at 130,000 last year. Cost ~$3,000. Is there a connection [cause and effect]?

I could enjoy an EV for its convenience. Jumping in a toasty warm car in a cold winter morning would be a pleasant experience. And a warm steering wheel. --------- Same goes for AC.

 

[Yunick13]

I would hardly call an Ev convenient. The only convenience I see is the near instant power and acceleration associated with it. High costs, lack of reliable, and isolated infrastructure, limited battery life, variable driving raange, high charge times, and unavailable manufacturing and mining resources, does not make operating an ev a pleasurable experience.

 

[iScamp]

I would hardly call an Ev convenient. The only convenience I see is the near instant power and acceleration associated with it. High costs, lack of reliable, and isolated infrastructure, limited battery life, variable driving raange, high charge times, and unavailable manufacturing and mining resources, does not make operating an ev a pleasurable experience.

Not only that, EV are aren't reducing their driving cost as much as you might think. At least that's the case here in North Carolina. The local news reported that the state of NC was losing approximately 15 to 18 million dollars a year in gas tax revenue due to EV. So, they instituted an annual fee for EV owners. This fee is said to be the same as if they paid for a year's gas tax with the average vehicle. Whatever the state thinks that is.

 

[67Dart273]

Other issues. Danger of batteries. You have a bomb there. You get into a crash and trapped and the damn thing decides to catch fire

Tires. All EVs weigh more for what you get. I forget, I think they said a battery in one of the ford pickups weighs about 3000 pounds. That's hard on tires, and will pose a danger in poor traction condtions

 

[72Duster440]

My neighbor bought one of the Ford Lightning pickups. He has a cabin about 175 miles north of where we live that he visits almost every weekend in the summer and once a month in the winter. He can't drive his pickup to get there, since it doesn't have the range to make the round trip and he doesn't have a way to charge it while he is there. He also purchased a travel trailer a couple years ago, but has been unable to use it because he can't make it to any campgrounds before his battery dies.

I don't understand why anyone would see the benefit of getting one if you plan to drive a lot or tow something.

 

[diymirage]

I could enjoy an EV for its convenience. Jumping in a toasty warm car in a cold winter morning would be a pleasant experience. And a warm steering wheel. --------- Same goes for AC.

You can get those amenities in a ICE vehicle aswell

Plenty of the newer ones come with heater seats, steering wheels, mirrors

And plenty of them will allow you to start it right from your phone

 

[92b]

Other issues. Danger of batteries. You have a bomb there. You get into a crash and trapped and the damn thing decides to catch fire

Tires. All EVs weigh more for what you get. I forget, I think they said a battery in one of the ford pickups weighs about 3000 pounds. That's hard on tires, and will pose a danger in poor traction condtions

I agree. A tank of gasoline is much safer due to the fact that gasoline is non-flammable.

 

[toolmanmike]

I agree. A tank of gasoline is much safer due to the fact that gasoline is non-flammable.

Now days it almost is! LMFAO

 

[67Dart273]

I agree. A tank of gasoline is much safer due to the fact that gasoline is non-flammable.

I don't know what you are trying to say, here, but if you extend EVS to fuel vehicle levels there is no comparison. Gas vehicles don't usually spontaneaously combust or explode for no reason.

 

[sireland67]

You can get those amenities in a ICE vehicle aswell

Plenty of the newer ones come with heater seats, steering wheels, mirrors

And plenty of them will allow you to start it right from your phone

My Jeep Wrangler will do all that stuff, it makes for a nice vehicle.

 

[Dan the man]

EV's are nothing new, the first one was like a hundred years ago and they were a joke then and they are a joke today

 

[92b]

I don't know what you are trying to say, here, but if you extend EVS to fuel vehicle levels there is no comparison. Gas vehicles don't usually spontaneaously combust or explode for no reason.

What I'm saying is it's safer to swim with alligators than it is to swim with sharks because sharks will try to eat you alive.

 

[Cuda Hunter]

No one talks about how firemen don't want to extricate victims trapped inside because of the high voltage that runs throughout the car. Jaws of life do nothing but electrocute the fireman if he cuts the wrong pillar in the wrong spot.
There have been several people in Colorado that have died due to this reason. I only hear about 2 fire departments in 2 rural counties. Can't imagine how many more folks die due to this reason.

 

[Cuda Hunter]

sharks and alligators huh?

 

[67Dart273]

sharks and alligators huh?

I don't get it, either

 

[Cuprum-74]

Sure ICE's catch fire too, nobodies debating that. But ask any firefighter which one they prefer to deal with.
EV fires suck period, lithium ion batteries burn much, much hotter, faster and require much more water and resources to put out.
I've seen first hand how fast lithium ion batteries burn, it was a mobile solar generator that had L-ion battery packs on a flightline, it was an experiment that a National Guard unit tried to see if it had any practicality.
They stuck to diesel generators, much safer, cheaper, and can be refueled quicker. And if it catches fire most of the time a hand held fire extinguisher is all you need, not so with L-ion equipment.
In fact there have been a few EV's at fault for causing or exacerbating fires on cargo ships and they've had a very hard time controlling the fires once they start. In fact there is a cargo ship carrying 3,000 cars right off the Dutch coast on fire now. The Dutch report that it was caused by one of the 25 EV's they were carrying and will pose a major environmental risk if it sinks.
They report that the fire will burn for days.
Sure you can say "ICE's would've done the same thing."
Hold on there, they ship those ICE cars pretty much empty of fuel and if they do catch fire they're so much easier to control.

 

[Cuprum-74]

What I'm saying is it's safer to swim with alligators than it is to swim with sharks because sharks will try to eat you alive.

Uhh, nope... They'll try to eat you alive as well, especially if you're a child. There's plenty of news articles out there that prove it.
People don't realize it's a large reptile that can get 12-14+ ft long & weigh almost 1200 lbs.

 

[abodyjoe]

Not only that, EV are aren't reducing their driving cost as much as you might think. At least that's the case here in North Carolina. The local news reported that the state of NC was losing approximately 15 to 18 million dollars a year in gas tax revenue due to EV. So, they instituted an annual fee for EV owners. This fee is said to be the same as if they paid for a year's gas tax with the average vehicle. Whatever the state thinks that is.

its just a matter of time before every state does that. somehow they will track mileage and charge accordingly.


as far as less range in the heat and cold goes, i kinda thought that was common knowlege.

while not for everyone the EV will find its place and will make sense for some.

 

[92b]

Uhh, nope... They'll try to eat you alive as well, especially if you're a child. There's plenty of news articles out there that prove it.
People don't realize it's a large reptile that can get 12-14+ ft long & weigh almost 1200 lbs.

Agree. Whether it's a tank of gasoline exploding, Ford pinto style or a lithium battery catching fire neither is a good situation. Saying one is better than the other is like saying swimming with alligators is safer than swiming with sharks. Neither is safe.

 

[67Dart273]

Agree. Whether it's a tank of gasoline exploding, Ford pinto style or a lithium battery catching fire neither is a good situation. Saying one is better than the other is like saying swimming with alligators is safer than swiming with sharks. Neither is safe.

What I am saying is that YOU have nothing to base this on, and IF YOU WERE to estimate the problem out to "let's say" an equal no. of gas/ vs evs on the road, I think you are gonna find that ev fires are one HELL of a lot more of a problem. When was the last time you read a news report of a gas vehicle blowing up for no reason, just sitting there parked? When was the last time you read about a gas vehicle that the fire crew had a tremendous difficulty putting out?

There's LOTS of stuff that can be outright dangerous and deadly if not properly controlled, from LPG to natural gas and on and on. But so far, what I AM NOT hearing from the gobt OR manufacturers, is some safety measures to control EV batteries.