28* initial timing for a 318? How can that be?

[Mattax]

I run my 93 pump gas 360 @28* initial 34* mech total 48* vac cruise, ported vac. Eddy heads closed chamber, 251@.050, 3400 tight conc, low gear set A999, 4.10 gear, GV overdrive. Works great for me.

Great example. As always your posts are informative and helpful.
Here's the thing. When you post something it's got cred. I've read enough of your posts to know that you go to the track, you test different setups, etc. You may have even posted some time slips. There's a bunch of guys here who, like you, clearly know their stuff. If there is a discussion or even an arguement, its based on their experience as well as their knowledge. We can disagree about why something works or doesn't work, but I can't disagree about their experience - its real.

Unfortunately there are others who claim experiences that are either totally made up, or a faulty memory. It doesn't take that long to figure out when someone is blowing smoke (or inhaling). In real life I generally try to make a polite half smile and move on. It's definately not just an internet phenomenon.

 

[RustyRatRod]

AJ didn't tell me to lock anything out.. he just helped me understand some things... some people are able to do it in a civil manner without being insulting.. it's a nice way to be

If it runs fine like he suggests, do it. He's a smart guy. I like to jab at him every now and again, but I do respect him. So if it works, by all means, do it.

 

[mderoy340]

Great example. As always your posts are informative and helpful.
Here's the thing. When you post something it's got cred. I've read enough of your posts to know that you go to the track, you test different setups, etc. You may have even posted some time slips. There's a bunch of guys here who, like you, clearly know their stuff. If there is a discussion or even an arguement, its based on their experience as well as their knowledge. We can disagree about why something works or doesn't work, but I can't disagree about their experience - its real.

Unfortunately there are others who claim experiences that are either totally made up, or a faulty memory. It doesn't take that long to figure out when someone is blowing smoke (or inhaling). In real life I generally try to make a polite half smile and move on. It's definately not just an internet phenomenon.

Lots of ways to skin a cat. Folks should read the thread you wrote awhile back on ignition setup. Maybe you could post the link.

 

[TT5.9mag]

Lots of ways to skin a cat. Folks should read the thread you wrote awhile back on ignition setup. Maybe you could post the link.

Folks should search @Mattax name and read every ignition post he’s ever written.

 

[mopar head]

New Holley 750 vac sec. now 6 yrs old always read same vac on ported as on manifold/baseplate. Tech. agreed it`s not supposed to do that. something I`m not doing right? TIA

 

[92b]

New Holley 750 vac sec. now 6 yrs old always read same vac on ported as on manifold/baseplate. Tech. agreed it`s not supposed to do that. something I`m not doing right? TIA

They should be the same/ similar above idle but not at idle. Unless you throttle plates are cracked open a long way (too far) at idle. Can you take a picture of the ports you are refering to?

 

[Newbomb Turk]

AJ didn't tell me to lock anything out.. he just helped me understand some things... some people are able to do it in a civil manner without being insulting.. it's a nice way to be

Nice? You want the truth or your hand held? I don’t care what you do. I’ve posted enough video of what happens when you lock out a distributor that no one should be idiotic enough to argue otherwise.

I don’t have friends on here. I’m not here to make friends.

If I can help someone not **** up, I try.

But I’m not catering to guys whose greatest care in the world is the messenger is Santa Claus. That’s not my issue.

That’s yours.

 

[Icetech]

Nice? You want the truth or your hand held? I don’t care what you do. I’ve posted enough video of what happens when you lock out a distributor that no one should be idiotic enough to argue otherwise.

I don’t have friends on here. I’m not here to make friends.

If I can help someone not **** up, I try.

But I’m not catering to guys whose greatest care in the world is the messenger is Santa Claus. That’s not my issue.

That’s yours.

Love you Actually mine is 28>34... not locked... i just knew someone would have to respond like that for no reason

 

[Newbomb Turk]

Love you Actually mine is 28>34... not locked... i just knew someone would have to respond like that for no reason

It’s always great when clowns like you **** around and give incomplete information.

Either post what you do or just stay out of it.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

Lots of ways to skin a cat. Folks should read the thread you wrote awhile back on ignition setup. Maybe you could post the link.

He’s tuned one engine 100 ways.

I list respect for that guy many squares back.

I’m sure he feels the same way about me and that tells me I’m doing it just right.

 

[Mattax]

New Holley 750 vac sec. now 6 yrs old always read same vac on ported as on manifold/baseplate. Tech. agreed it`s not supposed to do that. something I`m not doing right? TIA

92B gave a good answer. A couple photos here the show what that looks like.
But best start a new thread. This thread is about using 28* Initial timing for a 318.

 

[mopar head]

They should be the same/ similar above idle but not at idle. Unless you throttle plates are cracked open a long way (too far) at idle. Can you take a picture of the ports you are refering to?

Typical holley arrangement, ported above the blades, manifold on baseplate.
There in is the rub. My plates will not close enough to get the square idle restriction. I`ve tested out on the bench with a 12 volt supply and got the choke to fully open, look underneath and not square, turn full throttle, still not square. the choke steps stay on the last step unless I manually flip it off the step then low and behold there`s is my square idle port. My thinking the only solution is to remove that last choke step?

 

[Newbomb Turk]

Naw.... you see.. when i read your posts it's like watching a little kid jumping up and down screaming cause they dropped their ice cream.. why would i not want to enjoy that now and then

BTW.... no one asks to have their hand held.. but basic manners and civility isn't very hard to achieve... good luck on it one day

ALSO...i do actually respect your opinion and am glad you help people... you are as smart as Dan_The_Man

Gladly, I don’t give a flat **** what you think. About me or anything else.

I PAID to learn what I know. And I give it here for FREE and you think you can tell me how to do it?

Classic participation trophy guy you are.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

Typical holley arrangement, ported above the blades, manifold on baseplate.
There in is the rub. My plates will not close enough to get the square idle restriction. I`ve tested out on the bench with a 12 volt supply and got the choke to fully open, look underneath and not square, turn full throttle, still not square. the choke steps stay on the last step unless I manually flip it off the step then low and behold there`s is my square idle port. My thinking the only solution is to remove that last choke step?

Is the choke holding the throttle open all the time or is the throttle open that far all the time?

If it is, you need to close the throttle down and make it idle with the throttle blades above the ported vacuum hole at idle.

Plus, if you have the throttle that far open it’s pulling fuel off the T slots as well as the idle circuit.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Is the choke holding the throttle open all the time or is the throttle open that far all the time?

If it is, you need to close the throttle down and make it idle with the throttle blades above the ported vacuum hole at idle.

Plus, if you have the throttle that far open it’s pulling fuel off the T slots as well as the idle circuit.

Check your PMs, sir.

 

[mopar head]

This thread is about

I understand all that and this thread was doomed to go off the rails from the git, but thanks anyhow.

 

[mopar head]

Is the choke holding the throttle open all the time or is the throttle open that far all the time?

If it is, you need to close the throttle down and make it idle with the throttle blades above the ported vacuum hole at idle.

Plus, if you have the throttle that far open it’s pulling fuel off the T slots as well as the idle circuit.

On my bench test I even backed the curb idle way off the cam. the notched choke cam at full open choke will not fall off that last step keeping the throttle blade from closing all the way and giving the square transfer slot.

 

[Bewy]

I see all the usual suspects have chimed in with their nonsense. Thank you to those who went against the onslaught & were brave enough to say MVA [ or locked timing ] worked for me. The saddest part of this thread is that I thought I had a friend amongst the posters. His comments show what a back-stabber he is.
Now for some facts [ listening TT.5? ]:
- I never tried to hide anything about the original build; using a cam with 20* less duration can be seen in the link in post#1. The reason I did not post the whole story was that the print would be too small to read, so I just provided the important info so that it made sense.
- I too would have suggested a smaller cam if I was advising the chap, but some people, for various reasons, want to stick with what they have & tune it as best they can. [ In this case I will disagree with Steve & say it needs a LOT more than 28* for best idle ]
- yes, I constantly, recommend MVA because it works. There are times when it will not work such as when the idle vac is too low; then, locked timing is an option.
- the nonsense/lies from Newbomb Turk about not publishing my own results. I have done it many times. But who am I, nobody has heard of me in the USA? Why should we believe you? He must think I am as stupid as he is... That is why I provide links to that of other people, much smarter than some on this forum, who have been using MVA & getting nicer running engines.
- it shows how little some know when, because of their own ignorance in trying to discredit MVA benefits, claim the rest of the ign curve will be compromised. I have done more MVA tuning than Turk has had hot dinners. I have three booked in at the moment, all different brands.
-lastly, for those who want learn about MVA benefits. Nick, Mopar man of Nicks Garage, did a dyno tune about 2 weeks back on a 455 Buick. At about 18 min in, he connects up MVA with the engine idling & you can hear the idle smooth out & increase about 200 rpm. He then talks about MVA for a minute or two. Maybe somebody could link the video? The idle got smoother because more of the mixture got burned at the right time & made more HP, which is why rpm increased.
- MVA works on all brands when suitable. Logo on the valve cover doesn't matter.

 

[RustyRatRod]

- MVA works on all brands when suitable. Logo on the valve cover doesn't matter.

I've agreed with you all along. Both my vehicles run better with MVA, but it's not for every build. Your crap is gettin old on every single stinkin thread around here. You do have friends on this subject. You just refuse to see it because you're too busy being a blowhard about it. That chit gets old quick. We all know how you feel about it.

 

[Bewy]

Thanks for your wonderful endorsement, pal. I count about 44 different categories that you can post on. I post on about 16 at most. That is because those are the subjects I have knowledge & experience with. Unlike you, I don't feel the need to post on 'every single stinking' thread.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Thanks for your wonderful endorsement, pal. I count about 44 different categories that you can post on. I post on about 16 at most. That is because those are the subjects I have knowledge & experience with. Unlike you, I don't feel the need to post on 'every single stinking' thread.

Thanks. I appreciate your input, regardless of what you think of me.

 

[Bewy]

Huh? Well, I would like to think well of you...& have a beer one day. But now you appreciate my input but then talking about 'my crap getting old'. So I don't know what to think....

Now, Rusty, I mean this most sincerely: I will keep pushing the advantages of MVA[ or locked timing ] every chance I get because I am passionate about it's benefits.....& it has helped many people. Over on FFBO sister forum, a member I helped there reports he gets a better idle with 29* idle timing. Do not be offended by this, not meant to be offensive, but if you don't like my posts...don't read them!! There are plenty of others to read...

 

[RustyRatRod]

Huh? Well, I would like to think well of you...& have a beer one day. But now you appreciate my input but then talking about 'my crap getting old'. So I don't know what to think....

Now, Rusty, I mean this most sincerely: I will keep pushing the advantages of MVA[ or locked timing ] every chance I get because I am passionate about it's benefits.....& it has helped many people. Over on FFBO sister forum, a member I helped there reports he gets a better idle with 29* idle timing. Do not be offended by this, not meant to be offensive, but if you don't like my posts...don't read them!! There are plenty of others to read...

Over and over and over and it gets old. You just don't see it. So I'll stop trying. Oh and just so you know, Vixen idles along about 800 RPM at 37 degrees initial.

 

[Bewy]

Well, that's great! Happy for you. Man trans I presume. That has a pretty big cam hasn't it? I presume some initial + VA added. Do you remember the exact #s?
While there are existing members on this forum, there are also new members...or existing members that are new to the subject.

 

[4spdragtop]

And now Demenitia ridden Nick's Garage has entered the building....