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I love how the dude play's victim, starts 318 threads, brings back 318 threads from the dead, brings up 318's in non 318 threads etc... strawman's everyone's points then when people reply all a sudden he's being unfairly attack by the UTG's brainwashed 318 followers, the dude is delusional.

 

[Owen 340+6]

You sit behind this 318 and I guarantee you would be slapped in the face with saying they are junk

 

[Dartswinger70]

IMO you have to dump way too much money into that to get it there but y'all like to complain about the cost of the core engine and gas mileage etc. I don't comprehend it complaining about money then dumping $$$ into a 318 to make it powerful.

 

[junkyardhero]

IMO you have to dump way too much money into that to get it there but y'all like to complain about the cost of the core engine and gas mileage etc. I don't comprehend it complaining about money then dumping $$$ into a 318 to make it powerful.

i love how you've glomed onto this idea that to make anything more than stock 230hp with a 318 is a billion dollars.

here's the deal chachi, it costs the same amount of money to make 400hp with a 318 or a 340

but for S&G's let's try a theoretical: you have 5 grand to make 400hp and you're starting from zero, no motor, no nothing. you can get there with a 318, but no way you don't break the budget trying to do it with a 340.

 

[StreetSleeper]

i love how you've glomed onto this idea that to make anything more than stock 230hp with a 318 is a billion dollars.

here's the deal chachi, it costs the same amount of money to make 400hp with a 318 or a 340

but for S&G's let's try a theoretical: you have 5 grand to make 400hp and you're starting from zero, no motor, no nothing. you can get there with a 318, but no way you don't break the budget trying to do it with a 340.

There are over 10 340’s across the continental US for $1300-750 right now on Facebook marketplace.
$5K might get it done after some resleeves, and machine work. If you could drive to the block, dunno about making it work with shipping. But engine parts have sky rocketed for either if you built from scratch.

 

[Dartswinger70]

I figure a decent 340 build 6 grand but I may be way off the machine work would kill the budget. A nide standard bore block is where to start. Isn't a cheap...

 

[toolmanmike]

I figure a decent 340 build 6 grand but I may be way off the machine work would kill the budget. A nide standard bore block is where to start. Isn't a cheap...

No need for me to check but I am curious as to what size over pistons are available for the 340's? A worn standard block could go .020 instead of .030 or a worn .030 block could go .040 instead of .060. It depends how it's used and if you hurt it or not. The way we drive our cars after we rebuild them, wearing one out just doesn't happen. Breaking one can be another story.

 

[Dartswinger70]

I can see the apprehensiveness in buying a 340 for sure...and a nice pristine standard block is probably gold if it exists. My one 340 is .030 over but I picked it up machined ready to assemble in 1993. Crank was turned also someone started it and sold it, I was in the right place right time.

 

[318willrun]

I think, too, is that many years ago some heard the heralding of the 340, and if they only had one they'd be as cool too. So, they get their 340 and then have a melt-down when they realize the world doesn't bow down to them or the 340 in their car. And when somebody takes a 50 dollar 318 and throws 500 at it and beats their 340- they literally need therapy. I don't know of a 318 owner that wouldn't rather start with a 340, but many just aren't willing to pay the 340 tax for the mild Dairy Queen cruiser

 

[toolmanmike]

I think, too, is that many years ago some heard the heralding of the 340, and if they only had one they'd be as cool too. So, they get their 340 and then have a melt-down when they realize the world doesn't bow down to them or the 340 in their car. And when somebody takes a 50 dollar 318 and throws 500 at it and beats their 340- they literally need therapy. I don't know of a 318 owner that wouldn't rather start with a 340, but many just aren't willing to pay the 340 tax for the mild Dairy Queen cruiser

Exactly. It all goes back to what engine do you need that makes you happy. Like I have always said, I don't need to burn tires for a city block. I love to highway cruise to a out of town or out of state show and pull in the convenience store behind the hot rods and 440 cars. They all need gas and I don't even top it off. I still have over half a tank. LMFAO!

 

[junkyardhero]

There are over 10 340’s across the continental US for $1300-750 right now on Facebook marketplace.
$5K might get it done after some resleeves, and machine work. If you could drive to the block, dunno about making it work with shipping. But engine parts have sky rocketed for either if you built from scratch.

yeah, i know what current market is on 340's (i just bought one) and i also know what my local machine shops charge. you'd have to shop smart, do a lot of leg work and invest most of the sweat equity but i *think* you could get there for 5 G's.

but just from a line item point of view, if you bought a virgin block for 1300 and needed to go 20 over you're gonna already be half that budget on a short block by the time it's all said and done.

 

[junkyardhero]

I figure a decent 340 build 6 grand but I may be way off the machine work would kill the budget. A nide standard bore block is where to start. Isn't a cheap...

if you haven't had anything machined in the last 5 years, you're way off.

 

[junkyardhero]

I think, too, is that many years ago some heard the heralding of the 340, and if they only had one they'd be as cool too. So, they get their 340 and then have a melt-down when they realize the world doesn't bow down to them or the 340 in their car. And when somebody takes a 50 dollar 318 and throws 500 at it and beats their 340- they literally need therapy. I don't know of a 318 owner that wouldn't rather start with a 340, but many just aren't willing to pay the 340 tax for the mild Dairy Queen cruiser

this. exactly this.

the same argument for a hemi v whatever other big block.

yes, yes, reverence, H.E.M.I. yes. we all get it. but if you talking about building a burger cruiser that's popping off sub 500hp? any big block will do that without the hemi tax.

and that's just more money left over for the dancing girls and cocaine

 

[Owen 340+6]

First This is a factory 340 block. 422ci 597hp on the dyno at MAS performance in Ellsworth WI built $9500 build

The 340 on the stand is a 69' 340 block stock crank stock x heads, Mopar performance purple cam, nothing special but she gets the life beat out of it and she refuses to give up, I've blown it up 3 times, Bored to .060 6 sleeves. And she just keeps rolling. I have about $800 in this whole engine and have beat it to death for almost 20 years

3rd one is a 72 340. Whiplash cam and china aluminum heads. China intake. China dist. Turn key I have about $1500 in this engine as you see it. The 422 hasn't been in a car yet. Still waiting it's turn but the other 2 just do everything my warmed over 318s do for me.

 

[Dartswinger70]

Far out, man...

 

[318willrun]

Years ago, I remember I bought a complete air cleaner to oil pan stock 340 for 125 bucks. It was ready to run. I dropped it in a Duster and it ran great. I'm not waiting for another deal like that to come along these days, you'll bury me first... LOL

 

[toolmanmike]

First This is a factory 340 block. 422ci 597hp on the dyno at MAS performance in Ellsworth WI built $9500 build

The 340 on the stand is a 69' 340 block stock crank stock x heads, Mopar performance purple cam, nothing special but she gets the life beat out of it and she refuses to give up, I've blown it up 3 times, Bored to .060 6 sleeves. And she just keeps rolling. I have about $800 in this whole engine and have beat it to death for almost 20 years

3rd one is a 72 340. Whiplash cam and china aluminum heads. China intake. China dist. Turn key I have about $1500 in this engine as you see it. The 422 hasn't been in a car yet. Still waiting it's turn but the other 2 just do everything my warmed over 318s do for me.

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I like the MO of #2 and curious as to what kind ofpower out of #3. just shy of 375 horse I would guess.

 

[Owen 340+6]

I like the MO of #2 and curious as to what kind ofpower out of #3. just shy of 375 horse I would guess.

I couldn't even tell you, it was bored .030 flat top pistons. Holley brawler. It snaps 5500 rpm real quick but never dynoed #2 or #3 I would most definitely agree its 400 horse or less. Was putting it in a slammed d100 but I have since pulled it and bolted a 4 speed to it for my 70 duster

 

[toolmanmike]

I couldn't even tell you, it was bored .030 flat top pistons. Holley brawler. It snaps 5500 rpm real quick but never dynoed #2 or #3 I would most definitely agree its 400 horse or less. Was putting it in a slammed d100 but I have since pulled it and bolted a 4 speed to it for my 70 duster

Spunky is all I would need. LOL

 

[Blainethemono]

SwingerBoy just doesnt get it. It wont break the bank to make the 318 Sing the Body Electric. $4221 in 2004 dollars... Sure, higher today, but their engines was trashed, so still not a deal breaker.

With the ignition timing set at 34 degrees and 84 jets all around, Brul loaded the engine against the brake for a partial pull, and we saw 374 hp at 5,600. Upping the rpm a couple of hundred at a time to find the peak, we found the top at 382 at 6,200 rpm, and we hadn't yet started tuning. We noted that the oil pressure was quite high with the 20-50W oil sloshing in the sump at more than than 95 psi. It looked like a power drain to us, so we changed to a 10W30 Royal Purple synthetic that netted us a fat 394 hp at 6,100. We were so close to 400 hp that we could taste it, so we shuffled a Wilson 1-inch tapered spacer under the carb and the 318 responded by dealing up a 400 hp dyno curve, with peak output at 6,100-6,200 rpm.

Mopar 318 Engine - The Little Mopar That Could

 

[92b]

Funny thing you basically put 500 hp parts on an engine and guess what you get around 500 hp, same with 400 hp, 300 hp etc..

307/311 506 hp @ 7,400 pm
Long Rod Chevy 307 = Big Power

It's the area under peak where you see the power difference with cubic inches. The place where most street driven engines spend the majority of there time. Just looking at the peak doesn’t tell the whole story about how an engine will run.

 

[92b]

I got a complete 73 360 here carb too pan in a 73 fury id love to trade for a complete 318 68 up-to 5.2 magnum in Wisconsin

If I had a 318 like that I would make that trade.

 

[toolmanmike]

It's the area under peak where you see the power difference with cubic inches. The place where most street driven engines spend the majority of there time. Just looking at the peak doesn’t tell the whole story about how an engine will run.

Exactly! Dyno numbers are fun and impressive but that's just what they are, a number. If you were building a race car and wanted to match your converter, rear gear and tire size to the engine output then OK. A street driven car, maximum power at *** rpm doesn't do much for me.

 

[92b]

......yet all the Chevy guys get along and respect one another. Makes you wonder.

That’s either sarcasm or you haven't been around chevy guys. They behave pretty much like mopar guy's. The majority of my customers are chevy guys.

 

[92b]

Exactly! Dyno numbers are fun and impressive but that's just what they are, a number. If you were building a race car and wanted to match your converter, rear gear and tire size to the engine output then OK. A street driven car, maximum power at *** rpm doesn't do much for me.

Dyno numbers will show you those max numbers and below peak. Most people don't look at them. We all like look at the big number.