Again, as Mr. Ritter. It’s none of my biz if he is making money or if it is his lively hood.These things, I don’t know, I don’t care, I’m just happy someone picked up the torch that MP threw to the ground.
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No doubt. This guy needs to do some investigative work.
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Don't forget there is a ton of machining needed to make a block. Some of the tooling is pretty specialized too.
And 3D printing won't help at all. You can't 3D print an engine block. Even if you could, it would still need the above-mentioned machining.
And 3D printing won't help at all. You can't 3D print an engine block. Even if you could, it would still need the above-mentioned machining.
For sure,i start to think that i sound like a broken record in some of these threads over time but this whole concept of saying that its so easy and "someone should start making these" is getting alitle old considering all the complaints that always comes up when things are actualy available.
just buy a 100.00 318 - your down 22 cubes. There are bigger deal breakers than 22 cubes. put the money saved into it and run as good or better
or buy a 200.00 360 - and be 20 cubes up and $$$$ in the pocket
or buy a 200.00 360 - and be 20 cubes up and $$$$ in the pocket
I like the 318 when you can really punch it out. It starts feeling good after after 325 inches.
When you see a 289 Mustang street car punch 11's, what's wrong with a 318 ??? Or a Fox body 302 go 10's, what's wrong with a 318??
Ain't Nut'n wrong with 'em..... roll up the sleeves and get to work !!!!
And nowadays the pistonchoices are actualy better for the 318 than a 340 if you are running old open chamber iron heads.
I like bigger bores hence the comment of .060 or better of possible.When you see a 289 Mustang street car punch 11's, what's wrong with a 318 ??? Or a Fox body 302 go 10's, what's wrong with a 318??
Ain't Nut'n wrong with 'em..... roll up the sleeves and get to work !!!!
Helps ya.
First thing I would cut up a 318 block, reverse engineer the sand molds, why would you start from scratch? Foundry? Why not use the ones that's working now for the other guys? Finding a competent machinist would be the biggy. Many overthink too much.
Ok so why dont you do it then?
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Well as far as that goes, you can make a 349 with a teener and a 3.58 crank that will run a 268* cam no problem. Seems to me that would be a whole bunch cheaper.
Or how about a 360+.040 @3.315......if you just had to have a 340.
I just don't get the attraction for to have a 340. Although I used to hit that wall at car shows all the time. They see the 360 under my hood, and the next thing outta their mouth is "you shouldda built a 340...."
I got tired of it, and just started calling my 367 a stroked 340.
Cuz that is sorta what it is; (4.00+.040)x3.58. With lightweight Hypers @502ish grams versus the stockers @719, it's the fastest reving SBM I've ever had. And you know what? I have never found those extra 27 cubes to be a hindrance.
And 367HOs are so cheap to build; with closed chamber heads,they practically fall together with compression in the deep tens/high 11s, lotsa Quench, and ready for a big cam.While so many others with a typical street cams, are complaining about their soft bottom-ends,the 367 has no such issue.
IDK.
I left the 340s in the shed and never missed them.
Or how about a 360+.040 @3.315......if you just had to have a 340.
I just don't get the attraction for to have a 340. Although I used to hit that wall at car shows all the time. They see the 360 under my hood, and the next thing outta their mouth is "you shouldda built a 340...."
I got tired of it, and just started calling my 367 a stroked 340.
Cuz that is sorta what it is; (4.00+.040)x3.58. With lightweight Hypers @502ish grams versus the stockers @719, it's the fastest reving SBM I've ever had. And you know what? I have never found those extra 27 cubes to be a hindrance.
And 367HOs are so cheap to build; with closed chamber heads,they practically fall together with compression in the deep tens/high 11s, lotsa Quench, and ready for a big cam.While so many others with a typical street cams, are complaining about their soft bottom-ends,the 367 has no such issue.
IDK.
I left the 340s in the shed and never missed them.
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Making 340s with mountains of money might be doable.
Selling them for a profit may not be.
Especially when 360s can be had for easy money.
Or teeners for that matter.
If Chrysler quit doing it, you can bet the profitability went right out of it. I mean they already had all the tooling set up for it. How much more would it have cost to turn out Magnums with 4.04 bores?
Maybe they just let the 340 die on purpose,while it was still king of SBMs.
Selling them for a profit may not be.
Especially when 360s can be had for easy money.
Or teeners for that matter.
If Chrysler quit doing it, you can bet the profitability went right out of it. I mean they already had all the tooling set up for it. How much more would it have cost to turn out Magnums with 4.04 bores?
Maybe they just let the 340 die on purpose,while it was still king of SBMs.
Ceedawg, what do you do for a living?Do you have any experience in such matters of a foundry, casting, manufacturering resource material gathering, logistics?
I would love to hear about the mold making process myself.
Do tell us all why not as well as what are the “Other Guys Using!”
This is the basic no brained to the matter but does have the massive short comings in several different venues. Though I’m sure you have noted such deficiencies already.
I would love to hear about the mold making process myself.
Who said anybody started from scratch? Though that would be an excellent idea minus the basic perameters of what it is your replacing and for its use.
YES! If it is so simple, why didn’t you name a foundry?
Now there’s a statement on showing the world here at large that you have absolutely no idea on this matter.
Do tell us all why not as well as what are the “Other Guys Using!”
That should be the easiest part. Not to dumb down any machinist here but the extent of the machine work needed to finish a blue print on a square block is a basic and simple chore. I have seen what area machinists have to perform for the final exams and regular tests. A good fella down the block had to make a flash light out of a small billet. He was given the billet and the electrical parts to construct the flash light.
I think you under think this.
No not at all! YOU say it is easy.
I’m just wondering how easy it is through your eyes to fund, resource, obtain, transport, set up said materials ingets for remanufacturing at a foundry, then machine to spec for manufacturing a finished product for consumption for at least the end user to machine to there spec!?!?!
What is really funny is your statement of “Where’s your money!” Hell! Come one pal, make a block! I’ll pay. I’m saving up for a Ritter block myself. If you can come in cheaper, I’ll purchase!
What’s the deal?
Don’t let me be the soul voice of detracting your dreams!!!!!
Let’s freakin go!!!!
Are you going to copy a stock block and if so, what thickness cylinder sleeve did you have in mind?
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Answering your questions in order.
Yes
Yes
Your insinuation of myself not being down that road.
Incorrect!
Useless to you? I think I just went down a road with questions you can not answer because you can not fathom there depth in your shallow narrow mind. I have shown you that I am of great use to you. I showed that you have absolutely no idea on what needs to be done or how it is done. If anything, your just a butt munching weirdo asking others for money to fund a new small block project that you have no intentions of doing at all. You said it yourself, “Where’s the money!”
You betcha I have to save up for a Ritter block. I’m not wealthy I have other responsibilities to take of first before I purchase items for my toy(s) to play with.
You on the other hand almost hint that it isn’t an issue.
So go get yourself a Ritter block.
Now since you put it in that fashion, why the hell are you bitchen about how Americans today are not of the same stuff as the people who used “Slide Rulers?” Your the exact problem with the country today. You ***** for someone to “Bring on the money” as if you need it first to build YOUR block.
You cry, complain, then cast out a line for money for nothing with no plan or explanation of how to go about the matter at hand and then cry a river when I question you on it while you give no answer showing that you actually know something or have a real intention on doing anything except dup someone out of there money.
(As if anyone here is that stupid!)
You truly are a hat for an ***!
I also wish to apologize to everyone here having to read that your wife rides you like a $2 ***** all the way to China. I also don’t hold it against you that your a fella that likes to be verbally abused by the wife. Hey! What ever you like.
Thank the Lord I have no clue of that kind of life because from my view, you have a hell hole to reside in.
Good luck in finding your manhood and getting out of your abusing wife. I know running out to a new life is hard.
Good luck!
LMAO! You are awesome!
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Obviously there are some people here who know nothing about how a raw casting gets made into an actual usable engine block. You have six major surfaces that need to be machined flat and square (or at 45°). This means you cannot machine the whole block in one setup. Without sophisticated fixtures to precisely locate and hold the block from moving, and a multi-axis CNC mill (at least 4-axis), you will go nowhere. So now we have investments in fixturing, tooling, and CNC programs. Also, don't forget you normally have to make the main caps, and the have to be fitted to the block before you can even line-bore the crankshaft bearings. You'll need dozens of special tools, including gun-drills for many the oil passages. Maybe modern deep hole drills with thru-the-tool coolant would work in place of the gun drills. But whatever, it's going to be expensive and special tooling.
Agreed! And this guy above acts like anybody can do this easy. Just wait until he sees tooling costs nevermind paying the talent!
Mr. Ritter went through a lot to get what he got done.
Mr. Ritter went through a lot to get what he got done.
Must be tough going thru life not knowing how to do anything and having no self confidence. I know what I know, you stick with what you don't. When you start berating someone it proves your many short comings. Both of you will always be on the sidelines, never in the game. Sad
Must be tough going thru life not knowing how to do anything and having no self confidence. I know what I know, you stick with what you don't. When you start berating someone it proves your many short comings. Both of you will always be on the sidelines, never in the game. Sad
Must be tough going thru life not knowing how to do anything and having no self confidence. I know what I know, you stick with what you don't. When you start berating someone it proves your many short comings. Both of you will always be on the sidelines, never in the game. Sad
That entire double post was words for yourself. Practice them and say them to yourself in the mirror. It will be the only honest and true words out of your pie hole that and most forth coming days.
You started...... I called you out on it.
The berating you earned yourself.
Once you bring something to market on your own, then come talk to me. Your years behind the game.
You have no freaking idea how to do this.
It obvious to everyone except you.
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