360 Industrial in a car?

[Jetnoise]

Hey everyone,

I’ve just discovered that the 360 la in my Duster is toast. I’ve got a line on a 360 Industrial engine that has very low hours.

Would it fit?
How much would I need to swap?

I just want to get my car rolling for show season. I know it won’t be a big performer.

Thanks!

 

[GTX JOHN]

Is it out of a Motorhome/Box Van or Stationary Equipment?

Motorhome or Big truck/Box Van I believe would work fine.

Other industrials I do not know = the 413 Industrial are way different
than the other RB engines. I have not seen a Heavy Equipment 360
down here.

 

[RustyRatRod]

You don't have it already? Where is it? I'll go get it. @Garrett Ellison knows a bit about these engines.

 

[Garrett Ellison]

I’ve never seen one with the weird industrial-3 318 water pump setup. If you see it has an atypical water pump setup, post pictures and get cylinder head numbers and share them with us. It may have a set of 857 heads (a closed chamber small port 318 234 industrial head with an exhaust instead of water crossover) with 18mm seated gasket spark plugs. But they’re a good engine to start with, for sure! Usually they have a different (in appearance anyway) weight setup in the front balancer than other 360 engines, too. But premium hardware throughout and usually a very narrow LSA cam with similar to 340 cam specs.

 

[Vaanth]

Some basic information on the Chrysler Industrial 360:

From the attached 1987 Chrysler parts catalog for the industrial 318 and 360 engines.

 

[RustyRatRod]

I’ve never seen one with the weird industrial-3 318 water pump setup. If you see it has an atypical water pump setup, post pictures and get cylinder head numbers and share them with us. It may have a set of 857 heads (a closed chamber small port 318 234 industrial head with an exhaust instead of water crossover) with 18mm seated gasket spark plugs. But they’re a good engine to start with, for sure! Usually they have a different (in appearance anyway) weight setup in the front balancer than other 360 engines, too. But premium hardware throughout and usually a very narrow LSA cam with similar to 340 cam specs.

Didn't we also discuss that they have a beefier block as well? Sorta like some of the 340 blocks? I thought I remembered you saying something like that.

 

[Garrett Ellison]

Yes, they at a minimum have thicker cylinder walls, and the decks look considerably thicker, too. With the core plugs removed of all the examples I’ve seen, there is less than a tenth of an inch between the cylinder walls for coolant to pass through. I have a 1975 I stamp low production casting number block I’m going to sonic test in the near future just to see and post the numbers.

 

[Garrett Ellison]

Yes, my advice is to absolutely get that low mileage example. The best ones I have seen lately are forklift service propane engines.

 

[Jetnoise]

Thanks so much guys! It's an Industrial model. Was used to run a generator for a chairlift at a ski resort. It's got a '78 manufacturing date. I don't have the casting number yet (engine is not in my possession yet). But I'll definitely pick it up. Thanks for the great info!

I'm guessing that the crank flange will be different than the automotive one, so I can rule out just cleaning it up and dropping it in. But from what I'm getting from you guys, it would be worth doing a buildup on the block.

 

[Garrett Ellison]

The ones I’ve dealt with have all been standard six bolt crank flange with standard LA bellhousing configurations.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Thanks so much guys! It's an Industrial model. Was used to run a generator for a chairlift at a ski resort. It's got a '78 manufacturing date. I don't have the casting number yet (engine is not in my possession yet). But I'll definitely pick it up. Thanks for the great info!

I'm guessing that the crank flange will be different than the automotive one, so I can rule out just cleaning it up and dropping it in. But from what I'm getting from you guys, it would be worth doing a buildup on the block.

Get some good pictures from all angles when you get it and post them up. We can tell you more about it. But GET IT!

 

[RustyRatRod]

Crank flange should be the same as all others.

 

[Jetnoise]

thanks for all the help fellers. Unfortunately, it got sold out from under me. Oh well.

 

[RustyRatRod]

thanks for all the help fellers. Unfortunately, it got sold out from under me. Oh well.

Well that ain't cool.

 

[Jetnoise]

Well that ain't cool.

That's for sure! Oh well, back to the ol' drawing board.

 

[mopar head]

Rebuild what you have, one season ain`t the end of the world.

 

[GTX JOHN]

The new block in our N/SA 11 second stock Aspen wagon this year
is an industrial 318 out of a big refrigerator van.

It sonic tested as well as some of my R Blocks and had a Steel crank (STD Flange)
and 645 (360 Rods) in it from the factory. It had never been apart,
but I had to pay a lot for it = $100.00 carb to pan. I bought it from
a desert rat living off the grid in Arizona about an hour from me.

He did not have a hoist, so I had to make a ramp out of old tires and roll
it in the Dually.

I was very surprised to see those rods in it, but I have not seen another
engine exactly like it in the last 60 years (Usually 360 or 413 in those
box trucks).

Currently it has run faster than anyone in our class this year.

 

[Garrett Ellison]

The new block in our N/SA 11 second stock Aspen wagon this year
is an industrial 318 out of a big refrigerator van.

It sonic tested as well as some of my R Blocks and had a Steel crank (STD Flange)
and 645 (360 Rods) in it from the factory. It had never been apart,
but I had to pay a lot for it = $100.00 carb to pan. I bought it from
a desert rat living off the grid in Arizona about an hour from me.

He did not have a hoist, so I had to make a ramp out of old tires and roll
it in the Dually.

I was very surprised to see those rods in it, but I have not seen another
engine exactly like it in the last 60 years (Usually 360 or 413 in those
box trucks).

Currently it has run faster than anyone in our class this year.

What year of van did it come out of? What heads did it have on it?

 

[GTX JOHN]

It was already on the ground when I bought it.
When I have the wagon on the lift, I will look at
date numbers. Heads are in the scrap iron pile
and were a number that I did not recognize.

Just had major surgery last week and will try to check
when I get out of bed more.

I doubt that I will every find another one like it out here in Nevada/Arizona
Desert!