360 Magnum Build w/ V Belt Configuration Question

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Just be careful of your timing and know your going to use 93 octane. Your not going to be able to run a lot of advance at your compression ratio and that tiny cam.
My build on the wife’s car is the same as yours with a Hyd roller cam @224@050. It’s an LA cam. The lift goes to .570-something with the 1.6 rockers

You may have to feed that some race fuel.

Once ironed out, that’ll be one snappy engine.

With the aluminum heads and our elevation, I doubt we'll hit 11:1. I really didn't want that much but got talked into it. We had 11:1 in my wife's '73 Cuda and ran 91 octane. That 360 ran pretty hard.

Looking back on it, ya we probably should have ran a bigger cam. We worked with Comp Cams and they custom built what they thought would work as really good street engine with that setup. They took that fuel injection into consideration as well. Ended up roller cam with 224@050, .536 intake .544 exhaust. Bigger than the one in my 440 + 6 Roadrunner. Hmm, wonder how much extra lift the 1.6 rockers give? I'll have to see if there's a calculator out there.

*Edit: If I'm researching correctly, 1.6 rockers will give ~.030 of additional lift. If that math is correct, the cam may be just fine.
 
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.536 divided by 1.5 = .357 lobe lift
.357 X’s 1.6 = .571 lift

This is a comp cams Hyd roller for an LA. This is also what is in my wife’s car. IIRC
 
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The M1 single plane operating range is the “sweet spot” but it works fine on the street.
Why is it all torn down now; major changes or just little stuff?
RammerJammer75 shows how well the bypass hose will work in his second picture. Nice picture.
Just for reference, I will attach a picture of an M1 dual plane for Magnum heads and with Magnum bypass hose and thermostat.
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Sorry a lil late to the party. Story of my life day late, dollar short. I'm building a 360 mag motor for a 3/4 ton truck, and it will be carbureted.
I've been bitten by EQ in the past so I ain't interested in another set of their heads. I had a set of stock heads I took to a machine shop years ago with an LA intake gasket and asked them to drill them out, not realizing that the LA intake bolts weren't quite truly perpendicular to the head's intake face, ( they're like 7* closer to straight up from there) and I'm tired of chasing the thread about the jig that was being passed around here that mysteriously disappeared from the face of the earth....

I have a set of good stock magnum uncracked heads (one NOS) and went looking for an intake that would let me directly bolt a carb to a set of stock, as manufactured magnum heads.

I wasn't looking at the time but got offered one "just like"Jaharabi posted, for a impossible to pass up price, in another thread here, that I'm participating in/ that I took the guy up on... I should have it the end of this week or so.

All that said I didn't know that MP made 2 different types of carbureted dual plane intake for the magnum. The story on the one I have coming is that it was originally a part of a MP 300hp crate motor assembly.
Was that the difference between the 2 versions pictured above? Did the one with the 78-older big thermostat only come on those engines originally , not to be offered for sale seperate from one of those engines? What was the deal with the offset thermostat version? Running wise I don't see much difference between the 2 versions besides thermostat location and size. Which will not matter in and of itself on running characteristics. We're there differences in running characteristics between these?
There is another thread about intake manifold choices running currently in either the SB section or the magnum swap section of the forum right now...
For my purpose I don't think I will notice any difference in how this engine will run at least between the 2 MP M1 dual plane versions.
For those that love the air gap, I see a problem with that design. When the engine is warm, fine. But on a cold engine during warm up or if running in cooler weather I can see the airflow around the plenum as a negative. Look at all the small blocks (LA) when the exhaust crossover would be plugged up, how those engines ran great stone cold on the choke, then ran great warmed up but when "1/2 warm" they'd die and you'd have to 2 foot them at a stoplight until they finished warming up, because the exhaust heat passage was plugged up solid.
In pix of the M1 with the centered thermostat it appears there's a part of the intake cast in there appears to be a cast in tunnel from the previously unused rear coolant ports in the head to heat the intake to help alleviate these issues...
Maybe I've been hanging out on the/6 forums too much where there's much talk about this situation among the guys that run dual dutra manifolds or headers instead of a stock exhaust manifold.... They have to put some kind of a "water box" fed by the heater hoses under their intakes to eliminate/prevent that problem on those.
And Jaharabi. you're only about 100 miles away.... Had I known you had an intake like you showed id have tried to get it from ya.....
(For what shipping is costing from California for the one I have coming, I could have driven out your way and back.... And maybe seen some of your other "junk" I (used to anyway, when you posted more haha) see you posting about on here ....
 
@volaredon The lack of a heat cross over ether by way of the head or intake can be a draw back in colder weather. The choke comes on and off. If so equipped with an electric choke. I found this annoying while driving. There isn’t much you can do about this in some cases other than use the head/intake combo that allows a heated intake. Some will state this is a power killer every time and while correct, what’s the alternative? Not driving?

Between the two different thermostat housing locations on the intakes, the intakes runners should be no different from each other. The performance should be exactly the same. The only possible probables are core shift inside the runners. These intakes are your basic performance dual plane intakes patterned after the 340 intake.

The thermostats housings locations are just patterned after the LA or Magnum engines for ease of installation on there respected engine series to match the front cover and water connections.

The front accessories as we know differ a good bit between the engine series so converting from one to another could be a problem if your running a OEM Magnum engine truck and want to use the A/C and you have the LA intake.

IMO, since this is for a truck and I assume will be used often if not every day in all weather conditions, the M1 dual plane is the winner.
 
I’m “the guy” @volaredon is getting the intake from. It is in fact a dual plane M1 from a 300hp mopar crate package. If anyone wants pics of any particular part just say the word. FYI, I had no idea the m1 dual plane magnum intake was water heated. But it most certainly is.
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The plan is for a magnum long block but LA everything else
And like many of my posts will say again that I post hopefully giving others something to think about, knowing that I can't be the only person here wondering about some of the things I am, hopefully it stirs up some thoughts for others as they work on their cars, but maybe don't know to ask ..
 
I’m “the guy” @volaredon is getting the intake from. It is in fact a dual plane M1 from a 300hp mopar crate package. If anyone wants pics of any particular part just say the word. FYI, I had no idea the m1 dual plane magnum intake was water heated. But it most certainly is.
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It was the other pix that you sent me where I realized that it had the water heat. There was a weird looking extra "protrusion" I guess you could call it, that for lack of a better term, and I wondered what it was, it took me a minute of just staring at it, to figure that out
And with this being a copy of the 340 intake that was simply modified to bolt up to a different set of heads, would that intake have been the LD340 that was the "model" for this one?
I thought that the LD340, was supposed to be the end all, be all,cats meow, best ever intake for a small block? For my purpose, which is different from most A body owners wanting to run one of these engines, I'm using it. I refuse to blatantly spend the money on hong kong phooey parts. (Maybe I shouldn't call them that because I actually remember the cartoon by that name from when I was a kid and thought that was actually cool/ Chinese parts on American truck definitely are not)
I don't care about that last tenth, and yeah it will be a daily driver except for snow/salt season, it'll be more than fine.
I found this thread and talk about these intakes thru a site search and what you guys started with ( that the search picked up on to lead me here) led me to revive a few years old thread instead of starting one from scratch. Hope that's alright.
My goal is the best bang for the buck with my build. Not tire smoke, not 11 sec 1/4 mile times,
But at the same time the truck forum that's part of the F(x)BO series is crickets. I get more action here than there. And a lot of the tech does Cross over... Still Mopar after all...
I just hope my thoughts and questions do help others along the way
 
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It was the other pix that you sent me where I realized that it had the water heat. There was a weird looking extra "protrusion" I guess you could call it, that for lack of a better term, and I wondered what it was, it took me a minute of just staring at it, to figure that out
And with this being a copy of the 340 intake that was simply modified to bolt up to a different set of heads, would that intake have been the LD340 that was the "model" for this one?
I thought that was supposed to be the end all, be all,cats meow, best ever intake for a small block? For my purpose, which is different from most A body owners wanting to run one of these engines, I'm using it. I refuse to blatantly spend the money on hong kong phooey parts. (Maybe I shouldn't call them that because I actually remember the cartoon by that name from when I was a kid and thought that was actually cool/ Chinese parts on American truck definitely are not)
I don't care about that last tenth, and yeah it will be a daily driver except for snow/salt season, it'll be more than fine.
I found this thread and talk about these intakes thru a site search and what you guys started with ( that the search picked up on to lead me here) led me to revive a few years old thread instead of starting one from scratch. Hope that's alright.
My goal is the best bang for the buck with my build. Not tire smoke, not 11 sec 1/4 mile times,
But at the same time the truck forum that's part of the F(x)BO series is crickets. I get more action here than there. And a lot of the tech does Cross over... Still Mopar after all...
I just hope my thoughts and questions do help others along the way
For your goals the M1 dual plane is probably the perfect intake manifold.
 
Over the years but t seems like most things I've done, have seemed like "just the thing" at the time and turned out "close but no cigar" in the end.
 
Well it's off to Indy swap meet tomorrow to look for more bits and pieces for this build
 

Hey Bill... Any updates on your build???
Uh yes, we were able to get it finished up last August. That 408 stroker with Edelbrock Proflow 4, trick flow heads, full roller setup with Harland Sharp rockers, runs super hard, instant burnouts for days. The car turned out really nice. Now it's time to dial in a few things a bit better like the steering and brakes.
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