But they wouldn't be at the same rpm so it would depend what hp each engine was making at whatever rpm each is at. Why I showed what hp and rpm each could be possibly be at for each 5 mph, they were generally close and sometime the 410 was slightly higher others was the 367.
look at your charts. How much time is the 367 spending above 6000 rpm vs below 5500? what rpm is it going through the traps at? Look at 3rd gear.
Cause if you generally use 300 hp parts you get 300 hp same with 350 hp, 400 hp etc..
It's not about all out drag engine it about matching the driveline to the engine for whatever task.
Why does that matter ?
Because they don't make the same power where they are spending the majority of their time.
It always goes to all out drag.Racing, because that's more chest thumping territory....
It's not about all out drag racing, for me it's about comparing potential performance of these two engines (main reason you would build one of the engines), fairly. For most of us performance gonna be one or a combination of these stop light to stop, 0-60, 1/8, 1/4, even you never race you car, 1/4 mile performance does translate to the others.
And if you look at each mph what do you see ? each engine making similar hp sometimes the 410 doing a little better and sometimes times the 367 but on average the 410 did what 5 hp better so basically the same.
I agree the 410 makes a lot of sense especially in a street car.
It only looks that way because the 410 power band is better or the same everywhere until above 6000
You can take any power curve subtract 20 hp from itself at each rpm then plot the two curves on the same graph. If you keep sliding the lower hp curve to the left they will eventually lay over the top of each other.
Because in the case of these 2 motors it really isn't a thing. They peak close to the same rpm. You need a set of hp curves that cross over more in the middle. Not at the very end of the curve. To do that with this curve you would have to draw a tiny box around the upper right end of the curve and disregard everything else that is outside that box. That's why this becomes a drag racing conversation. Where else does that little box in the upper right corner become the main priority.
What you seem to not realize is the 367 also has a powerband that starts and finishes at a higher rpm than the 410.
That not the same thing, yes if you took that graph and move it left (deeper gears) you might get some of the lower rpms to line up (why deeper gears will pull harder), but all the meat of the hp curve is gone (top parts) gonna be down 20 hp and you will run out rpm sooner cause peak rpm is still the same but now you have deeper gears and get there sooner.
I've never said the 367 is 1000's of rpms higher, it's only a few hundred but higher is higher still needs a slightly different setup than the 410.
Not true, based on what ?
How else do you compare the performance potential, even you never drag race, if doing full throttle runs anywhere this convo generally holds.
It not about the little part of the curve where 367 does better, never said it was, how many times have I said "Stall to Shift Points" which are mainly under that part of the curve.
I thought people be interested in the video, but mentioned how I don't like how they compared these engine, then of course debate followed
True
This debate I didn't even see coming, I basically get what people mean the 410 needs better heads, but really don't makes sense to me the 367 ran out of air too and only a few hundred rpms higher and pretty much made same power so got the same out of them, but both could use better heads, but if your looking to make 425 hp this is basically what's need even the 425 hp 318 I posted wasn't too different.
This what I've been trying tell 92b.
It seem to peak pretty high for the hp most seem to get there by 6,000 rpms wonder if it's mainly do to the bigger port opening ?
There wasn't a huge difference between these two engine 443 lbs-ft vs 480 lbs-ft and the 367 torque curve was flatter.
A stock stroke 360 has more torque than the 340
Specs on both? Full second is a lot.
Usually you hear a couple tenths.
