64/65 barracuda trans nightmare

[mopar family]

hello guys i'm sure somewhere here , someone had the same problem , this is mine : i own a 64/65 barracuda , when i bought the car it haven't engine or tranny it's an original v8 273 and automatic trans ( 904 ) , i know a lot of thinks about big blocks but not with smalls so i bought a 273 ci and a 904 but my original floor shifter ( and i want to keep it ) is with cables and the 904 is from 1970 so with linkage , i looked for a solution and i found from B M the 10497 trans bracket and levers but i'm not sure what cable to choose does someone has the answer ?? thank you

 

[moper]

Someone else may know more than i do in regard to the interchangability of cables but as far as I know you have to get the right 65 transmission. I think '64 uses different cables for the push buttons in the dash. The '65 uses the floor or column shift cables. You will also want to be sure of the year of the 273 - you may need an adaptor between the later 273 and the earlier 904 if you have a '67 273.

 

[sleepyhead416]

2 cable car I cable is for Park 1- cable is for r n D 2 1 Need right year transmission.

 

[chryslerfat]

Just buy an aftermarket shifter like B&M and use the newer 904.

 

[mopar family]

thanks for your answers but i want to keep the original shifter and i don't try to keep the original cables i 'm sure that B & M got the right cable matches the part 10497 but not sure wich one to choose may be someone already done the job ??

 

[66fs]

thanks for your answers but i want to keep the original shifter and i don't try to keep the original cables i 'm sure that B & M got the right cable matches the part 10497 but not sure wich one to choose may be someone already done the job ??

Call A & A Transmission http://www.aandatrans.com/Default.aspx

I called and talked to them about something similar.

 

[pishta]

The correct cable is a push/pull that is specific to the valve body of that year trans. The 65 is a a 2 yr run 64-65 as the 66 was a slip joint. You can find them gut probably not in France! My suggestion is to get a Hurst Pro-Matic 2 ratchet shifter and install it under the original floor console and use the later transmissions. It looks almost identical but has a full black ball instead of the chrome side inlays (adapt them!) Thev65 and the Hurst shifter will have cpincompatible detents for the gears, as the 65 had the detents built into the shifter, not the rooster comb in the trans. You could possibly Adapt the stock shifter to work with a later trans cable but you'll have to disable the detents in the shifter and rely on the valve body detents to indicate gear position. The driveshaft will be different too. The 70 trans may not bolt up to the 67 as the convertor snout may be too big for the crank hub boss, iirc, 67 was the change year so you may be OK. Just something to check for peace of mind.

 

[rgp266]

I thought Imperial had a conversion cable to allow stock 64-5 shifters to be used with later model transmissions?

Bob

 

[rgp266]

Imperialservices.net.

64 pushbutton kit IS-354

65 Console kit IS-357. Allows use of original console shifter with later model transmissions. Both kits $180.00 plus shipping. Pushbutton kit is a special order item. They claim they have an EBay store so look for them there.

Hope this helps......

Bob

 

[66fs]

Imperialservices.net.

64 pushbutton kit IS-354

65 Console kit IS-357. Allows use of original console shifter with later model transmissions. Both kits $180.00 plus shipping. Pushbutton kit is a special order item. They claim they have an EBay store so look for them there.

Hope this helps......

Bob

Very nice. Thanks

 

[moper]

See - I knew there'd be better suggestions... I have a couple of those '65 transmissions but I'm taking notes for my '65 too...just in case.

 

[BillGrissom]

Photo of Imperial Services IS-357 console-shift cable adapter from their website (http://www.imperialservices.net/aparts.html). The push-button adapter is "special order". $180 sounds high, until compared w/ $229 (shift) + $209 (park) cables if you need new original cables. With the 1970 tranny, you no longer need a park cable since they use an internal rod for that.

One important thing to check is that the 1970 torque converter fits in the crank hole of your 273 engine. Around 1968, that hole got bigger, so you can't mate a newer tranny to an older engine unless you change the torque converter and input shaft on the tranny to the older style. Some people have ordered a custom torque converter.

 

[pishta]

Bill, explain that bracket to me. Does it bolt under the shifter or under the pan like any other trans cable? And what's that thing on the end? I remember the 65 cable as a pointed end with a flange on the trans end and a ferrule on the shifter end.

 

[moper]

Looks like it goes on the pan just like the aftermarket cable shifters... the thing on the end is the gear lever on the transmission. Looks like a pretty clean and cool setup.

 

[AussiePlymouths]

And there is a bloke on slant six forum who sells the adaptors - sorry can't remember his name, but I bought one off of him a couple of years back.

If you get on there and ask I'm sure they'll point you at him.

 

[rgp266]

That might be the conversion for the late transmission in the early car????

Bob

 

[pishta]

That might be the conversion for the late transmission in the early car????

Bob

I agree, as the early transmission doesn't need a support bracket under the pan. The flange fits into the case. OK, I get it now. I was still thinking late shifter/ early trans. That should work great. Wish I had seen this 15 years ago...

 

[BillGrissom]

I just took the photo off their website. Correct, it connects a 65 console shifter (like my Dart) to actuate a later lever-shift transmission. One caution is that I recall others here had problems with Imperial Services. A European member bought their factory shift cable ($229) and the inner cable was too long to work. I recall the company wouldn't stand up for their mistake. Others ordered and waited 6 months or more after the check was cashed.

 

[mopar family]

I will go with imperial services for the cable , and we keep the original torque converter because we took some parts of an original 64 six cylinder added to the 70 904