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Did it kick back at 32*? If not just lock the thing out and install it there.
Did it kick back at 32*? If not just lock the thing out and install it there.
adjusting my vac
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1wild&crazyguy
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I didn't read the whole thread, don't have the...well anyways, what brand distributor are we talking about?????
If if it is a mp then take the heavy spring out, and slightly stretch the lite spring out a lil, you'll be miles ahead of where you are & what ur capable of doing.
cracked is right about just getting the initial set so you can get the carb in order as idling in the correct idle circuit instead of the mains.
as in... DIAL THE INITIAL TIMING AND CARB IN 1ST, THEN WORRY ABOUT THE TOTAL.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT DRIVING THE CAR RIGHT NOW, IT'S ABOUT FIXING THIS IDLE PROBLEM. once thats fixed move on to fixing the distributor.
1 thang at a time.
If if it is a mp then take the heavy spring out, and slightly stretch the lite spring out a lil, you'll be miles ahead of where you are & what ur capable of doing.
cracked is right about just getting the initial set so you can get the carb in order as idling in the correct idle circuit instead of the mains.
as in... DIAL THE INITIAL TIMING AND CARB IN 1ST, THEN WORRY ABOUT THE TOTAL.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT DRIVING THE CAR RIGHT NOW, IT'S ABOUT FIXING THIS IDLE PROBLEM. once thats fixed move on to fixing the distributor.
1 thang at a time.
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
nope I turned it off and waited like 30seconds and it started up again...
when you mean turn=tune you mean mess with the carb mixture screws? then do the timing again?
What Im getting from what you said is if its running better tune the carb?
its a MSD it has the 2 blue springs in it with black bushing
Dude... I'm done!!! Can't take this anymore.
It didn't kick back at 32 and you set it back to 27... WTF??? You don't follow what people have suggested.
Here's my last suggestion for you.... I won't respond any further.
Get the distributor instructions and lock the thing out, time it at 2-4* shy of kickback, not to exceed 36*, and run the thing. Mechanical advance on your engine is a TOTAL waste of time.
Then tune up the carb by resetting it to the baseline 1.5 turns out and getting the idle speed you need. Then make whatever minor adjustments to the idle mixture screws to get best idle.
DONE!
It didn't kick back at 32 and you set it back to 27... WTF??? You don't follow what people have suggested.
Here's my last suggestion for you.... I won't respond any further.
Get the distributor instructions and lock the thing out, time it at 2-4* shy of kickback, not to exceed 36*, and run the thing. Mechanical advance on your engine is a TOTAL waste of time.
Then tune up the carb by resetting it to the baseline 1.5 turns out and getting the idle speed you need. Then make whatever minor adjustments to the idle mixture screws to get best idle.
DONE!
1wild&crazyguy
Banned
aah ha. yeah, ok....you'll have to make yer own bushing out of a ground down nut.
and you might wanna try the lighter silver springs or at least 1 blue and 1 silver.
or in yer case, just run only '1' silver and set the total to 35*, then check and see what it is in idle, that'll get you going
and you might wanna try the lighter silver springs or at least 1 blue and 1 silver.
or in yer case, just run only '1' silver and set the total to 35*, then check and see what it is in idle, that'll get you going
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
LOOK AT POST 112!! he said if it wants more the cam is too big or compression is too low so just set it at 26-28 thats the only reason i set it at 27... Ill set it higher but he said to set it there...its HARD TO LISTEN TO MORE THAN 1 PERSON because everyone has different things too say.
DONE!
1wild&crazyguy
Banned
look...what he said is right, what I'm saying is right, both methods will skin the fruckin cat.
If a 'curve' is what you want.. then 28* initial and tailor the rest
If not... lock it out at the total it likes best , 35*????
I coming in late on this one, not to derail or confuse.
BUT HERES THE REAL PROBLEM, YOU DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS TO DECIDE OR KNOW THE DIFF, and that makes it hard, ya know what I mean? cause you have to decide what route will work, or work the easiest for you and your sit/combo.
If a 'curve' is what you want.. then 28* initial and tailor the rest
If not... lock it out at the total it likes best , 35*????
I coming in late on this one, not to derail or confuse.
BUT HERES THE REAL PROBLEM, YOU DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS TO DECIDE OR KNOW THE DIFF, and that makes it hard, ya know what I mean? cause you have to decide what route will work, or work the easiest for you and your sit/combo.
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
I know what you mean...but hes getting mad when I set it at 27 when you told me too...
1wild&crazyguy
Banned
I tell ya, if you have no kick back, for now lock it out at 35* like crackedback said and call it good.
what I would do later[or sooner] is go with a smaller cam, I mean...I can only imagine how low yer cranking psi is in that thang..
what I would do later[or sooner] is go with a smaller cam, I mean...I can only imagine how low yer cranking psi is in that thang..
2-4 degrees of advance or less = WASTE!!! Lock the damn thing out and be done with it.
That's the only advice I'll give you on your deal.
Had you done the "advance it til it kicks back" from the start, you would have avoided two weeks of BS.
I'm not mad, just done with this. You know what to do now. It will NEVER run properly at 16-18* initial if it doesn't kickback at 32*. Lock it out and be done with the whole mechanical advance BS.
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
ok I will mess with it again tomorrow since I stopped at 32 and see how much I actually got...and lock it out at that
1wild&crazyguy
Banned
it's funny when people try the 'kick back' method and go lil at a time instead of just advancing the hell out of it and then go back till it does start...
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
ok im going to lock it out right now.....when you said the car needs to be warm is 170-180 warm? or wait till the thermostat opens?
1wild&crazyguy
Banned
thats decent, but like shut it off for 5min 'let it heat soak' and THEN try it.
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
ah ok
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
im going to see if it i can actually get 36 initial before kick back and then Im going to lock it out at what the most were i dont get kick back
74 when every on said" Lock It Out" do you understand what they are talking about..........
Locking it out is the advance in the distributor(were the springs are)
When it is "locked out" and you advance the dist to say.....36" IT WILL BE AT 36* FROM IDLE TO TOP RPM.
Your cam is just plain TO BIG, if you don't want to change the cam you will have to advance the sh*t out of it to make it run(It would run better with a smaller cam)
OK now! You have made progress........timing has gone up, eng is running smoother and eng is not wanting to over heat idling in your drive way..........................................
Why don't you LOCK IT OUT and then set it at 36*...........................
Locking it out is the advance in the distributor(were the springs are)
When it is "locked out" and you advance the dist to say.....36" IT WILL BE AT 36* FROM IDLE TO TOP RPM.
Your cam is just plain TO BIG, if you don't want to change the cam you will have to advance the sh*t out of it to make it run(It would run better with a smaller cam)
OK now! You have made progress........timing has gone up, eng is running smoother and eng is not wanting to over heat idling in your drive way..........................................
Why don't you LOCK IT OUT and then set it at 36*...........................
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
I dont know if it will take 36 I know it will take 32 But im going to lock it out anyways.. I know the cam is too big Im getting this now but Mike from MRL suggested it and thats what I went with..
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
k timing was set at 36 and I turned it off and it started up fine..I didnt have time to lock it out because the person next door came out bitching, so I gotta lock it out tomorrow and set it too 36...let you know how it runs
green1
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No clue about lock out... problem
1wild&crazyguy
Banned
ha ha... ya gotta lock it out then set it at whatever...ha ha
Wow! Some things have to be done in person, IMO. But, I give you guys all the credit in the world for helping.
I'm wondering how this problem started. Is this a new motor? New cam? I don't get it. Is there a history here that I missed? I think I read the whole thing, what brought this problem on?
I think that all of the advice has been given by people who have years of experience. 74, we've all been where you are, but none of us learned what you're trying to do in 2 weeks.
Hang in there.
I'm wondering how this problem started. Is this a new motor? New cam? I don't get it. Is there a history here that I missed? I think I read the whole thing, what brought this problem on?
I think that all of the advice has been given by people who have years of experience. 74, we've all been where you are, but none of us learned what you're trying to do in 2 weeks.
Hang in there.
SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
ya I thank all of you guys for helping me.. I know im very impatient and I thank you guys for hanging in there..tomorrow I will lock it out and see how it runs...If I remember correctly it only had 200rpm drop when I put it back in the garage but if it didnt it was 300 but Im going to lock it out and update tomorrow but thanks for everything guys!
Johnny Dart
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SRT_DSTRHOLC
"There is never enough horsepower...."
its locked out at 35-36 cant really see the mark because of the paint on the cover...but its locked out and runs nice only 200rpm drop in gear now the vac is in between 6-8 in gear and it drops from 950-750 and were GOOD I thank all of you for your time and help
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