Alcohol question ?
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yellow rose
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the limiting factor to making power is giving whatever fuel you are using, the correct amount of oxygen it needs at WOT thru the same 4 holes. I mean that's always the trick isn't it? Every engine we build has a ceiling of just so much air it can inhale thru those 4 little holes. And after you hit that wall, no bigger carb can make more power.
But;
If the fuel already had a significant amount of Oxygen bound up in it's molecules, and if that oxygen was able to dissociate itself from the fuel, at a low enough temperature, inside the chamber, and take part in the combustion process; well........ that would be a good thing right?
But;
If the fuel already had a significant amount of Oxygen bound up in it's molecules, and if that oxygen was able to dissociate itself from the fuel, at a low enough temperature, inside the chamber, and take part in the combustion process; well........ that would be a good thing right?
9secRR
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i guess you are that simple. i thought (and forgive me for thinking you would catch on) you would have got the comparison from switching from a 2 barrel to a 4 barrel ET wise but you didn't.
it's very simple to understand that the 4 barrel will have a faster ET then the 2 barrel.
that's exactly what switching to alcohol does compared to carb.
but i guess if you use all caps for the word FACT it makes you the smartest person here.
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I farted. That increased the cylinder pressure.
yellow rose
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No **** dude. Who was talkingabout a 2V versus a 4V carb? Only YOU are. YOU are the one with your head in your ***.
I’ll say it again. If you are running a FOUR BARREL on GAS and you switch to a FOUR BARREL on ALCOHOL and you pick up a bunch your GAS tune was OFF.
I can’t say it any more simple so that YOU can grasp it fool.
I’ll post one example. Let’s say you make 800 hp on gas. And your tune is close. The car is 3000 pounds. You’d be around a 9 flat at 150ish. And let’s use Disney land numbers to make you happy and say you gained a full 6% from alcohol (I’ve tested this so many times and I’ve never seen 6%, and it’s usually 4% at best) that would be 48 HP from the FUEL CHANGE.
That would be 48 HP and that is TWO TENTHS at BEST. And that was using 6% and you wouldn’t see that unless your gasoline tuneup was whacked.
Do you get it yet?. It’s simple math. You can argue your bullshit all you want but you aren’t nearly as smart as you think you are.
EDIT: and if you are talking gas carb to MFI you might, MIGHT get 6% but I’ve never seen it unless the gasoline tune up was off. I know you aren’t Sid Waterman so there is that, and he says 6% is unheard of unless the carb tune was bad.
yellow rose
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famous bob
mopar misfit
I had a friend that rubbed gasoline on a cats ***, and it passed a harley .
512Stroker
We are all here because we are not all there.
You can also use turpentine.
famous bob
mopar misfit
LOL , POOR KITTY !
9secRR
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so let me get this one straight. 95% of the racers in this country are stupid and don't know how to tune a carb?
pretty hard to argue with me on this one since i quoted your stupid *** comment again. but you will try to argue it again.
wonder who the other 5% are that can tune a carb?
which one are you in? stupid 95% or the elite 5%?
yellow rose
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Let me try this again because you are so thick headed. I’m saying when someone goes from gas to alcohol and picks up a huge amount of ET, it’s a sure sign that their gas tune up was JUNK. And yes, from DECADES of going to the track I can tell you most guys run their gas tune ups way too fat. With gasoline you just can’t do that. Alcohol makes it so you can run them fat and it won’t hurt the power. Simple as that.
And yes, 95% of the dudes at the track can’t read a spark plug and half of them can’t use a timing light. That’s just a simple fact.
So take that any way you want, but I suspect you are one of the idiots that switched to alcohol and picked up way more that you should have because your gas tune was garbage. That’s why the truth hurts. You are one of “them” and I’ve me way too many “you’s” to give a single **** want you think.
BTW my other favorite bullshit lie about alcohol is it runs cooler. And guys run their junk so pig rich on alcohol they cool down on the return road. That’s a sure sign that they can’t tune gasoline and they won’t put enough radiator and pump on the car to cool it correctly.
Many times I was paid to consult on alcohol stuff. And every single time they had found big ET drops with alcohol. And every time (for the ones who kept notes) I could go back and look at what they were doing and show them they were off on their gas tune up.
Been to the dyno many times for the same thing. Injection was my favorite, as you can go from alcohol to gas and back really easy. And never once, not once did I find more than 2% more power with alcohol. Not once. Ever. But what I did do was switch back to gasoline, make a couple of changes (usually I increased the idle bypass pressure, decreased the nozzle size several thousandths Les than what they had on gas and I hooked up at least one more bypass) and their gas power numbers came up.
Most of these guys weren’t ducks. Most of them kept meticulous notes so it was easy to go back to what they had. Most were pig rich and slow on timing.
So yes, if your little feeling got hurt that’s on you. I can guess you are the 95%. Revel in it. You appear to enjoy it.
9secRR
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don't worry, my feelings are fine. thanks for asking me though. means a lot that you care
i'll say this, your job at NASA is very secure. the knowledge you have is overwhelming. 95% of us can't tie our shoes after reading your comments.
what other bullshit lies can you share? i'm sure you can correct 100% of them
i'll say this, your job at NASA is very secure. the knowledge you have is overwhelming. 95% of us can't tie our shoes after reading your comments.
what other bullshit lies can you share? i'm sure you can correct 100% of them
yellow rose
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So your feeling are hurt because you are a part of the 95%. It’s ok. You can fix that if you want. I suppose you’ll remain ignorant. It’s easier that way.
BTW, I’ve had this same discussion with James Monroe years ago. I asked him if he’d ever tuned an injected alcohol engine that shifted at 8500. Or even 8000. At that time he said he never had. And that explained why he told people you don’t need a high speed by pass (they ALL do) and why he said he’d never used a “pump loop” (piss poor term for another bypass but they were calling them that long before I came along) (most engines respond well to a pump loop). He never had to deal with any of that.
Do be jealous. You can always bring you junk down here and we can run it across the dyno. You might learn something. But it ain’t free.
9secRR
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feelings still not hurt.
not free? 16 hour trip one way to your place. i would think to make that trip you would offer your services for free? remember i can't even tie my shoes.
i don't work at NASA so i'll have to save up.
not free? 16 hour trip one way to your place. i would think to make that trip you would offer your services for free? remember i can't even tie my shoes.
i don't work at NASA so i'll have to save up.
yellow rose
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Yep. You have to pay. Education isn’t cheap. Save your pennies then let me know. I don’t do charity.
9secRR
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I definitely need to be educated. Being in the 95% of stupid racers, I need all the education I can get. Been doing it wrong for so many years.
Thanks for the offer to educate me.
Thanks for the offer to educate me.
yellow rose
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Dartswinger70
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I used to hate cats as a young man, now I can appreciate them...never tried rubbing gas on ones ***...
As far as racing, I don't know if I'd be a good driver, knowing as a wrench what could break and what I might have to fix, I think I'd back off on abusing the car. A driver, IMO should be completely mechanically ignorant, and plain crazy. Someone who will get in the car, try and break it...just flat out floor it...but That's just my opinion...
As far as racing, I don't know if I'd be a good driver, knowing as a wrench what could break and what I might have to fix, I think I'd back off on abusing the car. A driver, IMO should be completely mechanically ignorant, and plain crazy. Someone who will get in the car, try and break it...just flat out floor it...but That's just my opinion...
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