BORE SHROUDING TEST: 4.03" vs 3.91" Edelbrock RPM Heads Really Fit a 318? Project Mission Impossible

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Bore notching is "old hat" stuff.
My understanding is that the old Maximum Wedge 413 motor (4.1875" bore size) had the bores notched to accommodate the 2.08 "tulip" intake valves. I purchased a set of maximum wedge cylinder heads along with the factory cross ram intake manifold for $300.00 back in the '70's for a 440 project I was thinking about (would have been 440 in a '65 Barracuda). I gave the heads/intake away to a co-worker for free about 20 years ago when I eliminated my storage space.
 
Moving the bores around for 3 or 4 CFM? Maybe if theres a world record on the line.
Bore notching is "old hat" stuff.
This is going backwards.. lol
I'd use 1.94, or even 1.89 and 8mm guides take .040 of the spring seats and ad a .050 pop up lock, or just order the right length valves to begin with before id offset the bores or dowels. The chambers aren't even massaged out either.
To me.. this is the same old spam but in an oval can.
Using little tricks I see.
Pot calling the kettle black I think and see.
How are yours better or worse than the videos?
Cost aside, there are a lot of things to do that make the difference. Not many people employ them, myself included. A standard type but yet quality rebuild, sprinkle performance parts on to and the result is what is normally expected & received. For many, that’s fine enough.
Pushing a little further is a flavor most don’t do and often when done, it was a little push, not a hard one.
 
I walk through the pages of Summit Racing would yield the results needed to know. It doesn’t really matter at this point.

While off setting the cylinder head is a cool trick to do, it’s not “The Average Guy” move. It just depends on what you want to do yourself needed or not.
 
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

Yes. How much can you offset?
IDK the answer.

As a side question, do you smoke pot?
***** already in over 20 + books from the 60's,70's,80's. Why present it as "tricks" at this point.

You used to see people using the dowels to dial in intake fitment and bore centering. 4 cfm may be the new trend, who knows..lol
 
***** already in over 20 + books from the 60's,70's,80's. Why present it as "tricks" at this point.
Because new people are getting into it.
Most watch videos even before the thought of a book enters their head.
You used to see people using the dowels to dial in intake fitment and bore centering. 4 cfm may be the new trend, who knows..lol

LMAO! Who knows!!!
However, when was the last time your read on this forum someone using offset dowels?
 

My understanding is that the old Maximum Wedge 413 motor (4.1875" bore size) had the bores notched to accommodate the 2.08 "tulip" intake valves. I purchased a set of maximum wedge cylinder heads along with the factory cross ram intake manifold for $300.00 back in the '70's for a 440 project I was thinking about (would have been 440 in a '65 Barracuda). I gave the heads/intake away to a co-worker for free about 20 years ago when I eliminated my storage space.
You mean the 2.18
 
Using little tricks I see.
Pot calling the kettle black I think and see.
How are yours better or worse than the videos?
Cost aside, there are a lot of things to do that make the difference. Not many people employ them, myself included. A standard type but yet quality rebuild, sprinkle performance parts on to and the result is what is normally expected & received. For many, that’s fine enough.
Pushing a little further is a flavor most don’t do and often when done, it was a little push, not a hard one.
Just because I have videos of my own doesn't mean I'm trying to compare.
It's really just a stretch. Everyone's worn everything out, so we're kind of going back through and looking for a little bit of green on that cashed bowl now, Cheech.
 
Because new people are getting into it.
Most watch videos even before the thought of a book enters their head.


LMAO! Who knows!!!
However, when was the last time your read on this forum someone using offset dowels?
I believe its because they're not seen as significant being that their only use is in very uncommon situations rarely encountered.
 
My understanding is that the old Maximum Wedge 413 motor (4.1875" bore size) had the bores notched to accommodate the 2.08 "tulip" intake valves. I purchased a set of maximum wedge cylinder heads along with the factory cross ram intake manifold for $300.00 back in the '70's for a 440 project I was thinking about (would have been 440 in a '65 Barracuda). I gave the heads/intake away to a co-worker for free about 20 years ago when I eliminated my storage space.
Actually, the bore notches on the factory MW engines were done on the exhaust side…….to clear the 1.88” exhaust valves.
 
Just because I have videos of my own doesn't mean I'm trying to compare.
I’m not putting you against anyone or anything.
It's really just a stretch. Everyone's worn everything out, so we're kind of going back through and looking for a little bit of green on that cashed bowl now, Cheech.

I believe its because they're not seen as significant being that their only use is in very uncommon situations rarely encountered.
Possibly true, no doubt
 
not sure if it's been mentioned yet but gm ls engines often have smaller bores and 2.00 to 2.08 valves stock. people don't shout about bore shrouding all the time with them do they? it just seems with mopar folk most just dismiss the 318 as never being able to make hp so say anything they can to belittle them. why?
neil.
 
surely no, because unlike (for example) a small block ford the valves aren't in/ex/in/ex/in/ex/in/ex so only 2 cylinders would see any benefit. the other 2 would be worse.
neil.
Pretty sure the dowels would to offset up or down not forwards or backwards. Hopefully 66fs chimes in.
 
Actually, the bore notches on the factory MW engines were done on the exhaust side…….to clear the 1.88” exhaust valves.
I always forget about the early Big Blocks having the small 1.60 exhaust valve . 1.74 stock
. .. 1.88 mucho
Probably because the only heads I've ever had for Big Block iron were 915s HP Style with the bigger vlexh valve and 906, 902, ext. Never bothered with 516 or the small bore bbs
 
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Pretty sure the dowels would to offset up or down not forwards or backwards. Hopefully 66fs chimes in.
I used offset dowels to center 1.88 "J" intake valves on the 3.665 diameter bores on my 273. I was worried, needlessly, that they would hit the block. I got the offset dowels from Ed Hamburger. I think I only used .020 or .030 offset dowels and some were 000 offset. You should assemble the heads to the block and take measurements. It does not make sense to use offset dowels to try and gain flow since the valves are EIIEEIIE. See post #87
 
I used offset dowels to center 1.88 "J" intake valves on the 3.665 diameter bores on my 273. I was worried, needlessly, that they would hit the block. I got the offset dowels from Ed Hamburger. I think I only used .020 or .030 offset dowels and some were 000 offset. You should assemble the heads to the block and take measurements. It does not make sense to use offset dowels to try and gain flow since the valves are EIIEEIIE. See post #87
Well people mention it to Unity Motorsports Garage hopefully he test it out, but either way the notch got most the flow back and if you can gain a little more by offsetting bonus if not oh well.
 
Possibly a notch by the intake valve, or just radius the sharp edge off the top of the bore in the area of the intake valves. I did neither and the
"J" heads worked great on the small 273 bore without either. To me it make more sense to deshroud the combustion chamber around the intake valves.
 
Like I said earlier... its just click bait.
Doing **** that in reality won't work, but showing you its effect if it could... on one cylinder. Can't achieve it on all 8 like that w/o offseting the bores all over the place, so it's pointless for most and the gain is tinys cousin named 'minuscule'. Hypothetical tosswankery by the master of illusion and shystering himself... David Vizard
 
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Possibly a notch by the intake valve, or just radius the sharp edge off the top of the bore in the area of the intake valves.
That's what they did and got most of the flow back which to me is good enough.
I did neither and the
"J" heads worked great on the small 273 bore without either. To me it make more sense to deshroud the combustion chamber around the intake valves.
Their also thinking of boring on a offset, which almost got all flow back but I think is over doing it in 99.9% of all cases.
 
Like I said earlier... its just click bait.
Doing **** that in reality won't work, but showing you its effect if it could... on one cylinder. Can't achieve it on all 8, so it's pointless. Hypothetical tosswankery by the master of illusion and shystering himself... David Vizard
Not true, off set one way for the proper cylinders and then the other way for the other two.
 
Not true, off set one way for the proper cylinders and then the other way for the other two.
I meant with dowels...
Knowing someone would nit pick it, i edited to include offset boring.
I recommend for fun.. that you go to your local machine shop and ask them to offset your bores x amount each and pay attention to the look on their face as you say ask.
Next.. move guides .. and don't forget to reverse the pistons ;)
 
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