Good Streetabe Power

[33IMP]

How much Horse Power does the just blueprinted 318 need to run 10.5s?

I kinda depends if it's in a SuperStocker, or a SS/GT car that weighs 700 lbs less.
Or, in a 80s Imperial that weighs 4500 lbs.

In my humble opinion...... a 375hp 318 CAN be as quick as a 375hp 440, but it will take gearing and converter to make up for the MASSIVE torque deficit. Therefore, much less- streetable power
AND, that assumes that the 440 won't also be geared and convertered properly.

I stand by my recipe. Build the biggest short block you can afford, (either small block or big block) and put the best heads on it you can afford. Done.

 

[cookietruck]

With the vast array of converters and gear options, if someone could deal with the rpm needs of a 318, seems it would be a wash and either could be totally street-able. Talking 375hp vs 375hp like was stated.

What would it be, like a 3.23 gear vs a 3.91?
A 318 with good heads would be fine at 3000rpms on the hwy.

It would really just come down to owner preferences…and if someone were building a hot 318 they would know the difference in character vs a big block.

 

[Oldiron440]

It's a 318 super stocker. It's all stock but runs mid 10s.

This is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while! Probably the only thing that is stock is the block and crankshaft. Rod’s pistons heads cam etc. are far from stock. Even a stock class car is far from stock… geez

 

[340six]

This is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while! Probably the only thing that is stock is the block and crankshaft. Rod’s pistons heads cam etc. are far from stock. Even a stock class car is far from stock… geez

This is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while! Probably the only thing that is stock is the block and crankshaft. Rod’s pistons heads cam etc. are far from stock. Even a stock class car is far from stock… geez

And we had a thread on just this started by a well known member.
Who was stating that after all his research, plans and know how he was disappointed when he found this out. I am not going to mention the name.
That the plan of buying a 318 car and use stock parts and his speed secrets, thought he could have a car that runs with FAST and Super Stock was a Basic Stock engine.
So I assume that the plan is now kaput. I think he even after 10 years missed the boat on what the FA mention Factory Appearing in FAST racing.

Even thought stock cams were used in Stock Eliminator (well it is called stock right?)

 

[496 polara]

Im sure there’s people out there that think a motor all done by 5500rpm is lame.

Mine is making over 600hp at 5500. Lame is good.

 

[cookietruck]

Mine is making over 600hp at 5500. Lame is good.

Yeah that sounds fun

 

[Oldiron440]

You can build any engine to make larger horsepower what I was mocking was your use of the term stock.

I guess my 650 hp 440 with factory iron heads should be called stock then?

 

[340six]

You can build any engine to make larger horsepower what I was mocking was your use of the term stock.

I guess my 650 hp 440 with factory iron heads should be called stock then?

Ideally best to do both. Increase the size and horsepower.
For it needed pistons and new crankshaft. So went forged 4" crankshaft.
Went H beam rods since cost to rebuild my 340 rods was close to new. Rebush, New ARP Bolts, Resize ads up.

 

[273]

I guess this video also fits in with this convo, 340 with a xe268h cam, 224 @ 0.050".....1.88 vs AFR, 375 hp vs 441 hp.

 

[Woody500]

Show evidence where the 318 bore kills a lot of power ?

Got any evidence or are we going on theories of should and could. Unless you got any proof it’s just speculation on your part also.

That's quite ludicrous, if what I've read is true.
Which is, that nascar engines have been using a smaller bore & they obviously have no problems making horsepower, so JYH is just spouting 'Old 318 tales'.
He needs a different bitchin' thread, as we're tired of hearing it!

 

[273]

That's quite ludicrous, if what I've read is true.
Which is, that nascar engines have been using a smaller bore & they obviously have no problems making horsepower, so JYH is just spouting 'Old 318 tales'.
He needs a different bitchin' thread, as we're tired of hearing it!

I think it was more about me than 318's , purpose of the thread wasn't for the people that already know, I figure it could help some that are still trying to figure all this out.

 

[MOPARMAGA]

Here's a Magnum with 4bbl, headers and 212 roller cam made 350 hp and 365 hp later with an air gap intake, imagine 10 more degrees especially with better heads.

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Dick holder-ner, that dude is a NERD.

 

[33IMP]

With the vast array of converters and gear options, if someone could deal with the rpm needs of a 318, seems it would be a wash and either could be totally street-able. Talking 375hp vs 375hp like was stated.

What would it be, like a 3.23 gear vs a 3.91?
A 318 with good heads would be fine at 3000rpms on the hwy.

It would really just come down to owner preferences…and if someone were building a hot 318 they would know the difference in character vs a big block.

Engine Masters did a 500hp small block vs 500hp big block comparo.
In my opinion, the big block RUINED the small block combo.
Cheaper, milder, WORLDS more torque. (Over a hundred more ft/lbs at 3500-4000)
I'm sure they could both be geared and convertered to run the same at the track...... but personally I'd much rather have a fast 3.23 geared street combo than an equivalently fast 4.56 setup.


And I daily-drove a 4.10 geared big block at 3600 on L.A. area freeways to work for years. (At 5am. Can't go fast anywhere on LA freeways at any time, now)

 

[273]

I'm sure they could both be geared and convertered to run the same at the track...... but personally I'd much rather have a fast 3.23 geared combo than an equivalently fast 4.56 setup.


And I daily-drove a 4.10 geared big block at 3600 on L.A. area freeways to work for years. (At 5am. Can't go fast anywhere on LA freeways at any time, now)

That's the main reason to me to go with larger displacement especially if you want 2.76-3.23 gearing. A 318 would need 3.91 gears to put similar torque to the ground as a 440 with 2.76 (if both were producing similar lbs-ft per cid).

 

[junkyardhero]

That's quite ludicrous, if what I've read is true.
Which is, that nascar engines have been using a smaller bore & they obviously have no problems making horsepower, so JYH is just spouting 'Old 318 tales'.
He needs a different bitchin' thread, as we're tired of hearing it!

what are you on about? i done forgot about this thread because it was a vortex of nonsense.

but if you're gonna use my name in vain, at least block quote me

 

[Oldiron440]

That's quite ludicrous, if what I've read is true.
Which is, that nascar engines have been using a smaller bore & they obviously have no problems making horsepower, so JYH is just spouting 'Old 318 tales'.
He needs a different bitchin' thread, as we're tired of hearing it!

I thought this thread was about good street hp then someone starts talking about 9000 to 10,000 rpm NASCAR engines in comparison, it’s just ridiculous…

 

[Woody500]

what are you on about? i done forgot about this thread because it was a vortex of nonsense.

but if you're gonna use my name in vain, at least block quote me

Then how about keeping 318 build threads about just that, which also means stock size bores, being limited by the aftermarket, and being satisfied with what you can get & the best combination for that.
If you'd rather your car handles, a 318 can fit the bill for less weight, if you want #s matching with more power, if you want a boulevard stoplight cruiser that might kick ***. There are combos for all these.
And one for that 9000rpm drag race screamer if really a possibility.
Why not use your name, its not your name. Make useful posts & no one will call you out. Stop adding to the nonsense.
Vague math problems add nothing either. Good math can be hard enough to follow.

 

[junkyardhero]

Then how about keeping 318 build threads about just that, which also means stock size bores, being limited by the aftermarket, and being satisfied with what you can get & the best combination for that.
If you'd rather your car handles, a 318 can fit the bill for less weight, if you want #s matching with more power, if you want a boulevard stoplight cruiser that might kick ***. There are combos for all these.
And one for that 9000rpm drag race screamer if really a possibility.
Why not use your name, its not your name. Make useful posts & no one will call you out. Stop adding to the nonsense.
Vague math problems add nothing either. Good math can be hard enough to follow.

these are all excellent points, yet i have no idea why you're pointing them out to me.

be well, friend.

 

[Woody500]

these are all excellent points, yet i have no idea why you're pointing them out to me.

be well, friend.

Can't help that.
Guess you can't help with any of that, or just not interested in helping.
Oh Well, we'll just have to do it without you, friend.

 

[junkyardhero]

Can't help that.
Guess you can't help with any of that, or just not interested in helping.
Oh Well, we'll just have to do it without you, friend.

no worries there pal, we been doing just fine without you for the better part of *checks notes* twenty years.

and i still don't know what you're talking about. but that's cool, you probably don't either.

 

[Woody500]

You seem to have a really high reaction score, almost 2:1, which I guess is what you're going for.
I'm here to help people learn, as I'm still doing, after over 50 yrs varied experience to draw from.
Do you have anything worth learning or you just like to tear down peoples ideas?

 

[junkyardhero]

You seem to have a really high reaction score, almost 2:1, which I guess is what you're going for.
I'm here to help people learn, as I'm still doing, after over 50 yrs varied experience to draw from.
Do you have anything worth learning or you just like to tear down peoples ideas?

are you talking to me?

i don't know, nor would anybody else because of your inability to quote. this makes the conversation hard to follow and leads to disjointed conversation. so you should really work on that.

anyway, we're all glad that you're finally here to help us learn. that's fantastic. really it is. but that's about all i have to say about that.

you seem intent on having some type of motive or special interest in me, which, to be fair is totally understandable; i am amazing after all.

i'd guess that you could probably learn a fair amount from me, i have an extensive back catalog. it's all here so peruse at your leisure. or don't. it matters not to me. i'm mostly here to tear down peoples ideas, the fake internet points and funsies anyway.

 

[Woody500]

JYH, you really act like a winner. Thanks for your insight. Its very revealing.

 

[junkyardhero]

JYH, you really act like a winner. Thanks for your insight. Its very revealing.

you're welcome, and don't ever forget it!

 

[Woody500]

JYH, tired of your bad attitude! & I doubt I'm the only one!