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Babyblue66 said:
I'm usually not one to bash a company, especially one I've used parts from before, but I'll never buy from Hughes Engines ever again. I purchased their 1.6 roller rockers for my 340. There was no way you could put a push rod in because it rubbed on the cylinder head so bad it didn't line up with the ball on the rocker arm. He got mad at me when I was talking to him on the phone because his Parts didn't fit my engine. Then told me to send them back. Then I get charged 136.00 restocking fee, plus I lost shipping back, and tax. So all in all I lost about $200 to return rocker arms that didn't fit. But apparently that was my fault.
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Dave hughes, if that's who you were dealing with has always been known to be an asshole.
 
I understand your frustration and don't agree with the way they handled the process. That said going to a 1.6 rocker with most La style heads will require clearancing the push rod hold and more than just a little.
 
Yeah that's some bad customer service especially if they were made incorrectly or were for a B/RB (not sure how off that would be).

Sadly those rockers will probably ship to someone else.

I one got some LA rockers with B/RB shafts from Comp Cams.
 
1.6 rockers will not clear in LA engines, i machined about .100 on pair of heads for another shop. no info from the manufactures , these require clearance to fit, same with older chev heads, just food for thought.
 
I'm going to voice command this. So, however it comes out and I will vent as well if you want...
I bought their one point 621 rockers, and they were pretty good, still are..
I went ahead and bought the stud kit and everything and notice one of my studs was pretty high and uh, they're threaded both ways. So I was tightening down the nut on the rocker shaft, and it tightened before it clamped the shaft down..
I call them and they say run it.... It's fine...???
That's a quarter inch gap underneath the shaft, and i'm just thinking these people are complete morons....
I would absolutely never buy a d*** thing from them ever again...
Absolutely, everything on their site is all hype ...
They don't make their own cams, they don't do a lot of things, they just source stuff out and have a couple things.
Actually, I never heard good things from them...
 

Dart Frog said:
I understand your frustration and don't agree with the way they handled the process. That said going to a 1.6 rocker with most La style heads will require clearancing the push rod hold and more than just a little.
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I ordered some from Mancini and the pushrods fit fine, but the damn roller tips are too far out towards the edge of the valves. So those won't work either.
 
1.6 rockers achieve that ratio by altering the distance from the rocker arm shaft centerline to the pushrod cup centerline. On a 1.6 rocker the pushrod cup is moved closer to the rocker shaft or fulcrum. This is how you get a higher lift at the tip with the same lift at the pushrod. That means that if the pushrod was centered in the hole with a 1.5 ratio rocker, then there will be less clearance on the fulcrum side of the hole with the 1.6. This applies to ALL rockers and the only difference would be if there is variation in the distance from the rocker tip to the fulcrum. The head being used isn't mentioned but most heads were designed for a 1.5 ratio stamped rocker and even later aftermarket heads keep generally the same specs for the pushrod holes. It isn't necessarily a problem of the rocker design, but the system it is going into. You change something from OEM, you shouldn't be surprised if something else needs to change to accommodate it.
 
perfacar said:
1.6 rockers will not clear in LA engines, i machined about .100 on pair of heads for another shop. no info from the manufactures , these require clearance to fit, same with older chev heads, just food for thought.
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I would have had to take about 1/8 inch out of the pushrod holes in the heads, towards the exhaust side of the heads. I just put the heads together and wasn't going to redo that. That seemed like an excessive amount. The mancini rockers cleared the hole, but the tips aren't centered over the valve during the sweep. I'm ready to just put some 273 rockers on.
 
I will say my original rockers. On my five ninety six heads were two seventy three rockers, and we got you know, smith brother push rods that we're within a sixteenth, so there's very little adjusting out... The huge roller rockers,1.6 to 1 fit with no clearance issues. Also, the same setup, when I switched to the speed master heads.. Obviously results vary...
 
gzig5 said:
1.6 rockers achieve that ratio by altering the distance from the rocker arm shaft centerline to the pushrod cup centerline. On a 1.6 rocker the pushrod cup is moved closer to the rocker shaft or fulcrum. This is how you get a higher lift at the tip with the same lift at the pushrod. That means that if the pushrod was centered in the hole with a 1.5 ratio rocker, then there will be less clearance on the fulcrum side of the hole with the 1.6. This applies to ALL rockers and the only difference would be if there is variation in the distance from the rocker tip to the fulcrum. The head being used isn't mentioned but most heads were designed for a 1.5 ratio stamped rocker and even later aftermarket heads keep generally the same specs for the pushrod holes. It isn't necessarily a problem of the rocker design, but the system it is going into. You change something from OEM, you shouldn't be surprised if something else needs to change to accommodate it.
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Yes I know how a rocker arm works. This was excessive. Had I know they were that far off I'd have done something different initially. Or hogged out the pushrod holes before it was all together.
 
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gzig5 said:
You change something from OEM, you shouldn't be surprised if something else needs to change to accommodate it.
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Babyblue66 said:
Yes I know how a rocker arm works. This was excessive. Had I know they were that far off I'd gad done something different initially.
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There is a HUGE part of the problem.
IF customers were informed of the potential for the need for additional work, it would have made a huge difference. Maybe there is NO mention of this in the parts description and NO mention of it at the time of sale.
Some MFers need to stick to making parts and let others handle the phone, you know....people with some decent social skills.
MOST of the time, a decent attitude can avoid problems and keep a customer. An arrogant asshole will piss off people and chase business away to his competitors.
 
Kern Dog said:
There is a HUGE part of the problem.
IF customers were informed of the potential for the need for additional work, it would have made a huge difference. Maybe there is NO mention of this in the parts description and NO mention of it at the time of sale.
Some MFers need to stick to making parts and let others handle the phone, you know....people with some decent social skills.
MOST of the time, a decent attitude can avoid problems and keep a customer. An arrogant asshole will piss off people and chase business away to his competitors.
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Right, I may have just exchanged for a set of 1.5 ratio if they would fit. I didn't want to pull my heads, disassemble and go through all that again. I wanted 1.6 because my Clay Smith cam is only 472 lift before lash.
 
Babyblue66 said:
I would have had to take about 1/8 inch out of the pushrod holes in the heads, towards the exhaust side of the heads. I just put the heads together and wasn't going to redo that. That seemed like an excessive amount. The mancini rockers cleared the hole, but the tips aren't centered over the valve during the sweep. I'm ready to just put some 273 rockers on.
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That's what happens when you change up parts. Rockers from different manufacturers have different fulcrum points as well.

It is especially bad with a OEM hyd roller lifter and 1.6 rockers. I had to do a couple sets of heads opening the pushrod holes for hughes/crane/MP rockers. It is not a bolt on exercise and everything needs to be checked/clearanced.

Dave is "interesting" and leave it at that. :)
 
I consider these Hughes threads entertainment lol. Sorry I've never bought from the jailhouse goof and never will.
If you do a "Hughes" search on here it's fn hilarious.
Sorry you got fd around. Maybe print a pic and use it as a pi$$ target.
 
OP, you would of probably made out better just selling them here at a $50 discount huh?

I had great pleasure making Dave eat crow on his product.
He had great pleasure selling me more parts to correct his mistake:(
 
4spdragtop said:
I consider these Hughes threads entertainment lol. Sorry I've never bought from the jailhouse goof and never will.
If you do a "Hughes" search on here it's fn hilarious.
Sorry you got fd around. Maybe print a pic and use it as a pi$$ target.
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They gave me a good product, but catastrophic advice...
 
He is about a day or less from me. Always wanted to drive down there and turn the intimidator into the intimidatee, kinda hard to do that over the phone and get good results. Then again he may just throw me off his property. Can't imagine how much it sucks to work for him.
 
j par said:
I'm going to voice command this. So, however it comes out and I will vent as well if you want...
I bought their one point 621 rockers, and they were pretty good, still are..
I went ahead and bought the stud kit and everything and notice one of my studs was pretty high and uh, they're threaded both ways. So I was tightening down the nut on the rocker shaft, and it tightened before it clamped the shaft down..
I call them and they say run it.... It's fine...???
That's a quarter inch gap underneath the shaft, and i'm just thinking these people are complete morons....
I would absolutely never buy a d*** thing from them ever again...
Absolutely, everything on their site is all hype ...
They don't make their own cams, they don't do a lot of things, they just source stuff out and have a couple things.
Actually, I never heard good things from them...
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After a little thinking, I figured out that the factory threads to hold down the shafts were obstructed and their studs just couldn't go down far enough for the nut, not to tighten down on the halfway point the core it completely clamped down the shaft... in that case, I just ended up stacking a few little washers to get it to clamp down, and what is it fifteen to seventeen pounds...
Edit... MORONS!!!....
 
crackedback said:
That's what happens when you change up parts. Rockers from different manufacturers have different fulcrum points as well.

It is especially bad with a OEM hyd roller lifter and 1.6 rockers. I had to do a couple sets of heads opening the pushrod holes for hughes/crane/MP rockers. It is not a bolt on exercise and everything needs to be checked/clearanced.

Dave is "interesting" and leave it at that. :)
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That I fully understand. Had I known, I may have opened up the pushrod holes BEFORE the whole engine was assembled. Well, I learned two lessons. One about pushrod clearance, one about where not to shop.
 
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