I feel guilty about something that I did tonight.

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Badart said:
I have seen numerous threads on this site about people not paying up or not receiving parts that are owed them. You see guys offering help all of the time for total strangers. Is this wrong? It's none of my business that this guy just screwed over that guy. That's a great way to be. Oh wait I guess that it's aright when it's a big fat cat finance company with share holders and investors. Answer that.
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no, i never once said what the owner of the truck was doing was ok. i do not think it is, but when times get tough, you never know what a person is capable of.

when one screws over another on here, and i read the post. i have a choice. choice one would be to get the fruaders number and threaten him to help out other member. choice two would be to reply to the post what opinion i may have on it, and say my peace. and wish them good luck.

see, we all faces choices every day in life. sometimes we make the right choice, sometimes we may not. no one is perfect
you made your choice, and i hope you feel at ease about it, or become at ease aboput it, chalk it up as a learning experience. alot theink it was wrong. alot think it was right.

now let me ask you o.p, after you have had time to think about it, do you feel you made the right choice, or do you thik if it happened again, would you change it some?
 
Pretty simple, he didn't pay they were gonna take it whether or not you helped them, times are though for everyone and you were able to be compensated for doing nothing wrong.

You gotta pay to play.
 
see o.p i have alot of respect for res1wv21, and you see his post. he sees nothing wrong in it. it does not make him a good or bad person. it is subjective in everyones eyes differenty
 
I have to admit, Ill have to agree with 340plot on this one. You all want to point fingers that he didn't pay, and that he deserves it, blah blah blah. Do you realize how many vehicles are falsely repo'd? Hell there was one guy who posted earlier that had issues with it. On top of it, my roommate just(i.e last couple of weeks) lost his truck for a couple days because of a paper issue with the shady company that did the initial loan. The fact that he had a free and clear pink slip, didn't matter to them.

Apparently if your a towing company its not auto theft and you can do whatever the hell you want. Call the cops and they just tell you to go to hell theres nothing they can do.

Now what if he had had kids and a family to take care of? On top of it, its tough times, who's to say that it wasn't a situation he was working on? **** happens to everyone, whether they make or made a ton of money or not. Guess what, if you make money you have nice things. "Hollywood Builder"?!?! really? his choice in a vehicle directly coincides with his work ethic?

But beyond that, the fact of the matter is no one knows someone elses situation. I know everyone of you have been upset at someone over some situation somebody stuck their nose into that made it worse, even if it was with good intentions. I know I have.
 
340plot said:
well, you asked for others thoughts. here is mine......................
you wrote "if he paid his bills, then he would not be in this position", who the f*** are you to judge him?
do not turn around and say " oh, if i did not help them get it now, they would of gotten it later". you are right. but again.... who the f*** are you to make that desision
then you state "he bought a ktm a few months ago" , we all know within a hour, a families finacial situation can change.

how do you not know that he is struggling on the verge of a complete mental breakdown, cause now without the truck, he will not be able to feed his family tommorow night due to no truck for work.
then the following day, you read it in the paper that he commited suiside, cause someone snitch him out of where the truck is.?

now, none of this directed at you on a personal level, as i do not know you, but stating how it made me feel to read this, and i think what you did was low, decietful, slimey, and just not neiborly!.

MAYBE ONCE YOU CASH THAT CHECK, WALK IT OVER THERE AND HAND IT TO HIM, AND TELL HIM THAT YOU LED THE REPO MAN THERE, AND GIVE HIM THE "SNITCH MONEY" TO HELP OUT HIS FAMILY. THIS WAY, YOU WILL FELL BETTER ABOUT YOURSELF.

i as a man, see guys on here steruggling once in a while. and i try to help them out. all the while knowing they got a nice mopar that they are still working on!. that does not make a difference. times are tough, and when it is time like this, i would hate to give up my last "manly toy" unless there is no other choice. so i help out when i can, cause i have been broke plenty of times, and right now is one of those times.lol
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Dear god, anything but "suiside".
 
Let's just say that it was your Father, or a Father figure.
Was for me.
He's still alive, and I thank him frequently since he doesn't remember much from day to day anymore.
He says "You did a good job raising your boys"
I say, Thanks to you.

dart_doctor said:
thats what i think lets just say an older guy told me that all the time when i was growing up hmm thanks to him
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Your going to go with Plot because it might a been a false repo?
HaHaHaHaHa





xlexl said:
I have to admit, Ill have to agree with 340plot on this one. You all want to point fingers that he didn't pay, and that he deserves it, blah blah blah. Do you realize how many vehicles are falsely repo'd? Hell there was one guy who posted earlier that had issues with it. On top of it, my roommate just(i.e last couple of weeks) lost his truck for a couple days because of a paper issue with the shady company that did the initial loan. The fact that he had a free and clear pink slip, didn't matter to them.

Apparently if your a towing company its not auto theft and you can do whatever the hell you want. Call the cops and they just tell you to go to hell theres nothing they can do.

Now what if he had had kids and a family to take care of? On top of it, its tough times, who's to say that it wasn't a situation he was working on? **** happens to everyone, whether they make or made a ton of money or not. Guess what, if you make money you have nice things. "Hollywood Builder"?!?! really? his choice in a vehicle directly coincides with his work ethic?

But beyond that, the fact of the matter is no one knows someone elses situation. I know everyone of you have been upset at someone over some situation somebody stuck their nose into that made it worse, even if it was with good intentions. I know I have.
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:cheers:
TrailBeast said:
Let's just say that it was your Father, or a Father figure.
Was for me.
He's still alive, and I thank him frequently since he doesn't remember much from day to day anymore.
He says "You did a good job raising your boys"
I say, Thanks to you.
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TrailBeast said:
Your going to go with Plot because it might a been a false repo?
HaHaHaHaHa
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Yes I am, because the chance that it was a false repo just reiterates the fact that no one knows whats going on in someones life, and if it doesn't concern you or hurt anyone, i feel you should stay out of it, never know when your going to make something worse for a good hard working american family.
 
^^^ right you are, or also, you may never know when you will be on that end of the stick!
 
WOW!

this became a heated debate quickly..

I think as for the false repo.. I don't understand why the guy would have someone hold onto the truck unless he knew things were up...

Its all subjective..No one was there in his shoes...
The fact that its being shared here just shows that the dilemma wasn't an easy choice...

Lie for someone who you don't know
Or tell the truth and go about your life..

The anger being shown isn't fair to be honest guys...
I doubt if he knew the full situation things would have been different..


ALSO forgot to add Badart was one of the first members here to offer help with my car
 
340plot said:
no, i never once said what the owner of the truck was doing was ok. i do not think it is, but when times get tough, you never know what a person is capable of.

when one screws over another on here, and i read the post. i have a choice. choice one would be to get the fruaders number and threaten him to help out other member. choice two would be to reply to the post what opinion i may have on it, and say my peace. and wish them good luck.

see, we all faces choices every day in life. sometimes we make the right choice, sometimes we may not. no one is perfect
you made your choice, and i hope you feel at ease about it, or become at ease aboput it, chalk it up as a learning experience. alot theink it was wrong. alot think it was right.

now let me ask you o.p, after you have had time to think about it, do you feel you made the right choice, or do you thik if it happened again, would you change it some?
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I have asked the opinion of one of the most intelligent, most caring and understanding people that I know if I made the right decision. My wife said that I did the right thing and that's good enough for me. No sweat 340plot we all have different opinions.
 
Badart said:
I have asked the opinion of one of the most intelligent, most caring and understanding people that I know if I made the right decision. My wife said that I did the right thing and that's good enough for me. No sweat 340plot we all have different opinions.
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well then u have found what u was looking for and didnt have to look far :blob:
 
340plot said:
see o.p i have alot of respect for res1wv21, and you see his post. he sees nothing wrong in it. it does not make him a good or bad person. it is subjective in everyones eyes differenty
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Never said that you were a bad person, but you did call me a "snitch". Edit: Looks like you edited your post. I know in my heart that I am not a snitch, not into spreading rumors or creating any kind of drama. You can look at my posts on here. I don't get into pissing matches like some people.
 
Badart said:
Never said that you were a bad person, but you did call me a snitch. I know in my heart that I am not a snitch, not into spreading rumors or creating any kind of drama. You can look at my posts on here. I don't get into pissing matches like some people.
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Well hell ......... lol kidding
 
Badart- Idon't know you, but you are part of this family at FABO. We each have our opinions. You did what you thought was right. Some forget that NONE of us are perfect. I've been down & had stuff repo'd, but I still think you did right. (JMO)
Lenders don't make money on repos- it's a last ditch effort to recover collateral.
Last thought here= if you wake up in the morning and like who you see in the mirror,don't sweat it!
 
Well it pays to be friendly with your neighbours I suppose. Do you think if you were friends with him that you would have said anything to the repo guy? No, you would of probably gone and told your mate "Hey there was a repo guy lookin for ya".
Now take the financial situation in the EU, they're obviously all friendly with their neighbours and the debtors in their community. How many other countries in the EU community and their debtors, are now saying they wish how bad there situation was/is. They would have never let it get that bad. Now the situation threatens to send a wave of crapness over the worlds finances and threaten another GFC.
Does the flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil set off a tornado in Texas?
Let me know if I drawing a long bow here or what?
 
What's done is done. You got a reward for turning in a law-breaker. Happens hundreds of times a day, every day.

As far as feeling guilty, you are the only one who can make yourself not feel guilty, and knowing the situation is the only thing that will take care of it.

I have lost my job, and had trouble making ends meet, so I know how it is. But I also have a friend who cant pay his bills because he wont stay out of the casinos, and he blows practically every cent he has. I like my friend, but will never loan him a cent. I also have another friend who is in financial trouble. He cant pay his $400/month mortgage, but he and his wife spend over $600/month on cigarettes. If they would quit smoking, they would be more than able to pay their mortgage. They refuse to help themselves, and I dont feel sorry for them because of that.

If you are really feeling guilty, try to find out a little about the guy. If he just lost his job or is having a really rough time, use the money to buy a money order and mail it to him anonymously.

But if he's an a**hole that just blows or gambles his money away instead of paying his bills, then you have no reason to feel guilty, so you can enjoy the reward.
 
340plot said:
^^^ right you are, or also, you may never know when you will be on that end of the stick!
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Exactly. This is my reasoning for making the moral/fiscal separation. To "me" morally, it was a dirty thing to do, but fiscally, it was the right thing to do. Because exactly as you point out, you never know when it will be your turn with the repo man.

I will tell this story though. In May of 2010 I realized we could no longer support having my 2008 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited in our budget. It was a damned nice one. I had it all fixed up with bigger than stock tires, lift kit winch...all that stuff. It was badass. But, I saw a bad thing coming so I took it and traded down on a 2004 Ford Ranger. My truck note went from 460 a month to 175 a month. I saw we could no longer afford it and DID something about it. It sucked. I miss my Jeep. But I did it because I PAY MY BILLS...and if I see that I am not going to be able to I CHANGE things up to make it happen. The way I see it, as head of the household, that is my job.

Not everybody operates that way. That doesn't give me the right to say they are wrong. But, as I said before, when people don't pay on bank loans and things get repoed, all of the associated costs are passed on to those who do pay, so we all foot the bill in the end with higher fees and interest rates. That's the fiscal end of it and there's no gettin around it.

But the personal end of it to me is what's tough. I still say unless you're put in that exact same position, you just never know. Some of yall say to put some of the finder's fee in his mailbox. To those of you who agree with that, I ask this. If you were gonna do that, why in the world wouldn't you offer to help the dude keep his truck in the first place?
 
How does one begin to answer a question that was not a question to begin with, but a moral dilemma. He did what he felt was right in that situation, not what we would have done or not done. When one lives beyond their means there are consequences for those actions. Do we truly know what the man’s financial situation is, no, so do we judge him for his actions? That is the real question, when does it become a community or a social responsibility to make sure we all follow the letter of the law. I know that everyone here has done something in their lives that they should have been reprimanded for whether it was a legal or civil matter. We should all work together for the greater good, we should all not get ourselves in situations that create moral dilemmas, but we do, it is our nature as humans. So to wrap this up, you did what you felt was necessary at the time, for whatever reasons that motivated you we will never know. Now you brought your moral dilemma to a public forum, which is an interesting conundrum to say the least. You made a decision that first seemed right, now you’re having second thought and guilt. Then people begin to respond with "you did the right thing", then other condemn you for it. This is the reason our society is such a wreck; no one can agree to disagree. Opinions are used like spears to bring the great moral creature to a standstill; the moral dilemma is still the question. I would offer advice, not an opinion. You did what you felt was warranted at that time, it was your decision and not mine to judge. Was it right was it wrong, who knows, none of us can judge a man or applaud a man for his actions, unless those actions are heroic in nature. Being neighbors comes with responsibility to that community, what that responsibility is different for every community. Though there are some basic moral responsibilities that we all follow when we are neighbors, checking on the elderly person that lives down the street, picking up trash, mowing the neighbor’s yard when they are sick , etc… So was the man’s lack of paying his bills criminal, thus leading to his repo, hard to say, I don’t know the man or his situation therefore passing judgment would be wrong on my part, but what I can say is that society puts a lot of pressure on people to keep up with the “jones”. So the problem is much deeper to me than just a moral judgment call………
 
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