He needs to channel it to the right people. The amount of harm he tries to do to other people far outweighs it, I'm sure.
Looking for advice. Want to build a Duster to run on a budget.
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TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
Harm? Really?
And writing “I’m sure” after your post tells me you haven’t done any research before chastising someone. He’s a valuable contributing member of this site and you seem to have a personal issue with something he’s done. I assure you the amount of valuable information he’s posted is vast and you should bury the animosity and move on.
it's been like that as far back as i can remember. all the old heads shitting on the young guys: oh that's not stock! why'd you paint it that color? what's wrong with bias ply tires and drum brakes, i've been driving on them since dickety-doo and they're just fine! etx etx etx
march to the beat of your own drum and you'll find like minded people that dig the same rhythm; along the way you'll learn to tune out the clowns with kazoos.
His problem is that he can't stay within his bubble and realize he has no expertise outside of it. Nothing wrong with what he does to his car but it would be bad advice for someone that's in a different bubble.
His bubble is no better than anyone elses and he doesn't realize that.
mopowers
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I miss when people on this site said their piece and moved on. Now it's...
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
shittyslant6
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Move that computer to the garage and it's pretty accurate
As highlighted, could be why some people aren't showing up here. Apply what you're saying to what some people do here.
Not complaining, just pointing out the facts. Imagine how their behavior would go over and what effect it would have on the atmosphere at a car show.
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Our hobby was a hotrod hobby before it became a resto hobby. Hotrod has always meant build what you can the best that you can and/or want to, and drive it for that is the end goal usually. Sure it was easier back when bone yards were full of parts and cars. Yes everything was cheaper, but so was wages and I lived thru interest rates of 20% too.
One thing that is so great about the old classic car hobby, is that people that are not loaded with $$, find a way to learn and develop skills, and these skills can flow down to sons/daughters that have an interest. Developing skills is a never ending process for those that want to always get better. But we have to start somewhere!
Maybe one day, the 4 door project car will be priced for what it is and what it will be worth after $R spent. There is no shame in building/loving a more door classic, "period" car. No everyone wants/can afford a 71 Hemi Cuda nor should everyone!
shittyslant6
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My friend has a twin turbo c10 (@TT5.9mag) that just got back from paint. Now it helps that his dad owns a powdercoat business and he works there; but even with that aside the amount of work he has done on other peoples cars to trade for work is the main reason he was able to build that truck. he has been building it for 10 years. The guy that painted it is trading the paintjob for an engine swap on a chevy he owns. My friend got the exhaust work done in exchange for some some after hours powdercoating. I'm doing the wiring on it in exchange for powdercoat and the rollcage and patch panels on my duster. He probably has under 20k in this truck. patience and a little trading goes a long way.Our hobby was a hotrod hobby before it became a resto hobby. Hotrod has always meant build what you can the best that you can and/or want to, and drive it for that is the end goal usually. Sure it was easier back when bone yards were full of parts and cars. Yes everything was cheaper, but so was wages and I lived thru interest rates of 20% too.
One thing that is so great about the old classic car hobby, is that people that are not loaded with $$, find a way to learn and develop skills, and these skills can flow down to sons/daughters that have an interest. Developing skills is a never ending process for those that want to always get better. But we have to start somewhere!
Maybe one day, the 4 door project car will be priced for what it is and what it will be worth after $R spent. There is no shame in building/loving a more door classic, "period" car. No everyone wants/can afford a 71 Hemi Cuda nor should everyone!
UNDER 20k. If two broke 21 year olds can build this **** anyone can
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Turbo440Dart
crank runner over-er
Here’s what you can build for UNDER 2k with a clean title. Do some shopping, be patient and have cash and a trailer ready. J headed 360, .484 purple shaft, LD340, 8.75 with 3.23 SG, BBP disc, etc. Since y’all are done measuring each others dicks this will put it back on track.
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
Hell yea brother. I love how you guys are all trading work and helping each other out. That’s awesome.
Same, exactly the same. All you get at car shows is blow-hards saying stuff like "well that's not stock". Never mind that they couldn't tell you one technical thing about their cars, because they didn't build them. They paid some guy, and now pass that car off like it's theirs. Yeah, they may own it, but it's not theirs.
I just drive mine. I love driving old cars, I've loved it before I was even legal to drive. The best memories I have are riding around in some old car with my dad, or my friends, or my wife. And when I talk to people at gas stations, or the costco parking lot, or wherever, the vast majority of them aren't "well, that's a clone" or "those wheels aren't stock". No, they tell me stories about a car they had, sometimes not even Mopar (oops, it's not a Nova!), but regardless the majority of them are more interested in sharing a memory than nit-picking something that isn't original, or even mentioning that my car has more than a couple different colors of paint on it. Sure, I get "when are you going to paint it" too, but for every one of those I get half a dozen stories or a "well they're never finished are they?" from people that actually know something.
Which is why I wanted to be honest in this thread for the OP. Is his budget realistic TODAY? That's tough. Possible, maybe, but a tough ask. But to say it wouldn't honor his father to try? Because it wouldn't live up to some other guy's father's standards? No, that's bullshit.
Make your budget, spend the time and put in the effort. Get that old POS out on the road, and make some memories. And if you need help, yeah, shoot me a DM, I'm only at 680 and I'll delete some old ones when I get to 1k. Or show up at my shop, you wouldn't be the first.
OK tough guy. lol
Give it up while you're ahead.
No sir, I promise everything I said in this thread I'd say to straight to your face. I'd even say the stuff I deleted and didn't post here to your face. Maybe I'm not "nice", but I'm not disingenuous.
Your first post was gaslighting, condescending BS. Do you want to apologize to the OP, and me, for trashing our fathers? Guys you know NOTHING about? No?
You've never said this was a misunderstanding, you doubled down from the word go. No reason for it, you could have easily said your opinion without invoking anyones father's memory. I know exactly what I've said, I stand by it. Implying I'd say something different to your face just further emphasizes how little you know about me.
My bubble? My expertise? Buddy, you have no clue.
I've been daily driving classic cars for all but about 5 of the last 30 years. I've skipped meals to buy parts to keep my only method of transportation on the road, parked on hills so I could push start my car for days because I couldn't afford to fix the starter, burnished points on the side of the 405 while dodging freeway patrol because I couldn't afford the tow, even changed out my transmission in the street in front of a friend's house in an afternoon so I'd be gone before the neighbors complained.
You want to pile into this thread because I called out your BS in another one? Fine.
This work you did right here? This is hack job, con man BS. If it was really a money thing, you wouldn't even try to fix this issue. You wouldn't worry about it because the cosmetic rust you had before you started this abomination wouldn't have changed the road worthiness of the car, you could have driven it the way it was if it was about money. I know, I've driven worse for YEARS. No, the only reason to do this is to make something that needs a ton of work look like it doesn't
I didn't call you out because of your budget. I called you out because what you did to that car in your thread is a disservice to the entire hobby. And there's no legitimate reason to do what you did, on any budget. And you do something like the hack job above, and then try and make fun of me for driving a car that's a couple different colors? Seriously, I may be an asshole, but I'm not a hypocrite. You can't say you're doing what you do because of your budget and then try and tease me about driving a car that's more than one color and say I'm the purist.
Thanks for the pic. Remember to coat those pieces of backing material as ithey comes out before the fiberglass reinforced bondo is cured. That mesh is harware cloth from Menards and is galvanized harware cloth.Same, exactly the same. All you get at car shows is blow-hards saying stuff like "well that's not stock". Never mind that they couldn't tell you one technical thing about their cars, because they didn't build them. They paid some guy, and now pass that car off like it's theirs. Yeah, they may own it, but it's not theirs.
I just drive mine. I love driving old cars, I've loved it before I was even legal to drive. The best memories I have are riding around in some old car with my dad, or my friends, or my wife. And when I talk to people at gas stations, or the costco parking lot, or wherever, the vast majority of them aren't "well, that's a clone" or "those wheels aren't stock". No, they tell me stories about a car they had, sometimes not even Mopar (oops, it's not a Nova!), but regardless the majority of them are more interested in sharing a memory than nit-picking something that isn't original, or even mentioning that my car has more than a couple different colors of paint on it. Sure, I get "when are you going to paint it" too, but for every one of those I get half a dozen stories or a "well they're never finished are they?" from people that actually know something.
Which is why I wanted to be honest in this thread for the OP. Is his budget realistic TODAY? That's tough. Possible, maybe, but a tough ask. But to say it wouldn't honor his father to try? Because it wouldn't live up to some other guy's father's standards? No, that's bullshit.
Make your budget, spend the time and put in the effort. Get that old POS out on the road, and make some memories. And if you need help, yeah, shoot me a DM, I'm only at 680 and I'll delete some old ones when I get to 1k. Or show up at my shop, you wouldn't be the first.
No sir, I promise everything I said in this thread I'd say to straight to your face. I'd even say the stuff I deleted and didn't post here to your face. Maybe I'm not "nice", but I'm not disingenuous.
Your first post was gaslighting, condescending BS. Do you want to apologize to the OP, and me, for trashing our fathers? Guys you know NOTHING about? No?
You've never said this was a misunderstanding, you doubled down from the word go. No reason for it, you could have easily said your opinion without invoking anyones father's memory. I know exactly what I've said, I stand by it. Implying I'd say something different to your face just further emphasizes how little you know about me.
My bubble? My expertise? Buddy, you have no clue.
I've been daily driving classic cars for all but about 5 of the last 30 years. I've skipped meals to buy parts to keep my only method of transportation on the road, parked on hills so I could push start my car for days because I couldn't afford to fix the starter, burnished points on the side of the 405 while dodging freeway patrol because I couldn't afford the tow, even changed out my transmission in the street in front of a friend's house in an afternoon so I'd be gone before the neighbors complained.
You want to pile into this thread because I called out your BS in another one? Fine.
This work you did right here? This is hack job, con man BS. If it was really a money thing, you wouldn't even try to fix this issue. You wouldn't worry about it because the cosmetic rust you had before you started this abomination wouldn't have changed the road worthiness of the car, you could have driven it the way it was if it was about money. I know, I've driven worse for YEARS. No, the only reason to do this is to make something that needs a ton of work look like it doesn't
I didn't call you out because of your budget. I called you out because what you did to that car in your thread is a disservice to the entire hobby. And there's no legitimate reason to do what you did, on any budget. And you do something like the hack job above, and then try and make fun of me for driving a car that's a couple different colors? Seriously, I may be an asshole, but I'm not a hypocrite. You can't say you're doing what you do because of your budget and then try and tease me about driving a car that's more than one color and say I'm the purist.
Remember -metal on the edges and treat all metal internally. Will fail just like the original method though if you don't periodically check and let debris accumulate.
A guy once hinted that I am a hack since my color topcoat is not $2000/gal.!!!
I guess I am!
One of the best parts of driving my daily one of several slant Dusters to work, was stopping at the gas station every week, and always someone looked at it and asked of a slant, an began "his"slant story! Yes they were generally over 50.
I guess I am!
One of the best parts of driving my daily one of several slant Dusters to work, was stopping at the gas station every week, and always someone looked at it and asked of a slant, an began "his"slant story! Yes they were generally over 50.
It's your picture. And it will follow you everywhere you post this nonsense, so people that aren't delusional can see what a hack you are.
Galvanized wire has no place in a proper lower quarter repair, neither does fiberglass. Your junk will fail in months/years, the factory metal seams failed over DECADES. Not the same. And yeah, if the factory had spent a few more pennies on getting paint and sealer into the seams they'd last longer than that. So, if you paint the original or repaired sections and keep them clean they'll last longer than you will. Nothing you do will save that hackery from failing. It's gonna soak up moisture, it's gonna rot, and it's gonna leave the whole panel worse off and the next guy is gonna have to cut it back even further.
A guy once hinted that I am a hack since my color topcoat is not $2000/gal.!!!
I guess I am!
One of the best parts of driving my daily one of several slant Dusters to work, was stopping at the gas station every week, and always someone looked at it and asked of a slant, an began "his"slant story! Yes they were generally over 50.
Yeah right? Hey if you can afford $2k a gallon top coat that's great, but if you can't and can lay down Summit top coat yourself for a driver then have at it!
It's hard in this hobby, you have the investors and show car purist types on one end with their snobbery, and then complete con-men on the other end that exist only to trick people into buying junk to make a quick buck, with no regard to the actual car itself.
But yeah it's totally worth it for some of those conversations with real people that enjoy seeing an old car and want to talk about their memories in one. That's awesome. Most of the folks that share stories with me are older, but I do get some interest from the younger generations and "tuner" types because of my wheels and pretty obvious handling set up/modifications. All because I'm out there on the road on the regular, not hiding my stuff in a garage and only taking it out a couple times a year.
I honestly don't know so I'm asking you if you are planning on painting that car all one color. Is that the finished product ?
A guy once asked me if I could not afford to make my Dart one color, in a snobbish tone. I simply said, I decided to replace the bent up wrecked fender and the rusted out trunk lid, yea they did not match the rest of the car, but I first priority was to spending more time and $ on it was to make it safe and put on the road, where it was intended. He just gave me this ***** look. Screw him! 
Turbo440Dart
crank runner over-er
Not a single thing wrong with unpainted cars. Mother Nature has been painting this since 1969.
An "unpainted" classic indicates to me a guy that is;
1. A person that in not lazy, he has a dream, a visi
on, and is actively persuing it as time and $ allow.2. A person that is not ashamed of his ride and the fact that just maybe , wring a big check to have the work done, is not feasible.
3. Some people look at such and see the beauty of the art of that classic. It still offers the looker the art even though not shiny perfect paint that cost ********!
To each his own. It isn't necessarily an either/or situation. It isn't leave as is or spend a lot on a paint job. I painted my car with a satin enamel with hardener. You can do the same with gloss but if you think you may want to put a more expensive finish on, the satin with hardener easily wet sands . I used satin for the look I wanted but the car can be shot with gloss .
Good paint /body job is a process. One thing proceeds the other.
Yes, a guy can DA it all down to bare metal, 3 coats of a good epoxy (satin black) primer, and drive it a not look "redneck", but hey, I am an admitted redneck!!
Yes, a guy can DA it all down to bare metal, 3 coats of a good epoxy (satin black) primer, and drive it a not look "redneck", but hey, I am an admitted redneck!!
HankRearden
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I cover my welds with short strand fiberglass. What do you suggest?
Why does it matter?
It’s got enough paint on it not to rust. That’s all it needs.
A guy once asked me if I could not afford to make my Dart one color, in a snobbish tone. I simply said, I decided to replace the bent up wrecked fender and the rusted out trunk lid, yea they did not match the rest of the car, but I first priority was to spending more time and $ on it was to make it safe and put on the road, where it was intended. He just gave me this ***** look. Screw him!
Right?
I don’t feel like pulling my car off the road for months to do proper bodywork and paint. And I have too many projects working at thr moment to put that time and effort into it right now.
Meantime, it’s not rusting and I don’t drive my car to impress people, so I don’t care. It drives just fine the way it is and it’s not hurting anything. Well, maybe some purists fragile sensibilities.
Exactly. Or someone that doesn’t need a fancy paint job because they’re not trying to impress anyone else.An "unpainted" classic indicates to me a guy that is;
1. A person that in not lazy, he has a dream, a visi
2. A person that is not ashamed of his ride and the fact that just maybe , wring a big check to have the work done, is not feasible.
3. Some people look at such and see the beauty of the art of that classic. It still offers the looker the art even though not shiny perfect paint that cost ********!
Why?
Welds on what?
Welds don’t need to be covered with anything different than any other metal. It they’re structural just paint them, if it’s bodywork grind them smooth and paint them.
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