Looking for advice. Want to build a Duster to run on a budget.
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Right? Why is this so hard?
TT5.9mag
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I don’t know. It’s almost harder to do it wrong.
its even harder to do it right after it was done wrong
Depends on the vehicle and the person. If someone only wants to stick let's say, 4k into a car they have , they may not want to spend 2k on metal alone . The right thing to do may be to use that money elsewhere on the car.
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
Understand but then the argument I’ll make is don’t fix it. Doing it wrong costs twice as much in the long run and it’s better to not have to unfuck a shoddy repair.
You suggested that someone that has never welded before should get a welder and learn,and there should be no filler in their project and if there is they are doing more harm than good. That is a compiltation of what you've been saying. I believe you also said that filler has no place in a car period.
How difficult is it to grind metal smooth enough to paint over as you are saying here ?
Doing what some consider " right " might be the wrong decision depending on what and how much they want to spend on a car. They can make the right choice for them .
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
I agree. Once again it’s better to do nothing then repair it wrong and cause more damage in the long run and have to redo it. Costing more. So if your argument is cost, then do nothing. It’s the cheapest. I’d rather have a rusty car then a rusty car covered in fiberglass and bondo with a paint job.
HankRearden
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I lack the skill for flawless body work. I figure if covering welded seams with some sort of filler was good enough for the factory its good enough for me.
That's why I did a good fiberglass job . Bodywork and paint complete and no worries of it receiving any more damage.
A preservation is an alternative to a restoration . This car was more suited for a preservation and that's the route I took.
Exactly. 100%. Spoken like someone that’s had to deal with a shoddy repair.
Stop lying. I NEVER said filler had no place on a car. Literally never said that or anything like it.
Go read every thing I’ve ever tried to tell you. Fiberglass and wire screen has no place on any car, unless maybe if it’s a fiberglass body. Bondo that’s used to sculpt body lines and is a 1/4” thick? Unacceptable. A skim coat to level a surface because you’re not a panel beater with an English wheel? Perfectly acceptable, and the industry standard.
And yes, if you have a rusty car that needs panel replacement and haven’t welded before, LEARN. There are welding classes at your local JC. Or just buy a welder and learn how to weld on scrap until you get the hang of it. There are TONS of how to videos, online classes you can take etc. There’s no excuse to do shoddy work, it’s just laziness. Or fraud.
While that can be an option, you have to learn how to properly use that stuff too and make sure you’ve done all the proper prep. I mean, they’ve got quarter panels flying off of cyber trucks because the factory used the wrong panel bond, so there’s more to it that slap it on and go.
Ok, so you’re talking about bodywork welds. Sure, filler is fine as long as it doesn’t get too thick, I can’t do flawless metal work either. Make sure the panels are fit well, don’t warp the crap out of the panel with too much heat, grind the weld smooth and then use some filler. Nothing wrong with that.
No sir. Bondo over wire mesh and backed with fiberglass is NOT a good job for quarter panel repair.
Nothing you did is preservation. What you did was make a shoddy repair that will take more time, money, effort and skill to fix than what was there already. If you can’t fix it right, you could have just wire wheeled all the rust off, painted the area with POR15 and moved on. The rust would have been stopped, the damage was cosmetic, and then someone with the skill to do it right wouldn’t have had to deal with the shoddy repair you did.
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
I’m afraid you just don’t understand. There is no such thing as a “quality” fiberglass repair on a steel bodied car. It doesn’t exist. You, or the next owner will have to undo, and redo that work at some point. And the damage to the original bodywork will be worse than when you started. You didn’t preserve anything.
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
Unfortunately all too often. I’ve nicknamed myself the quintessential unfucker.
Turbo440Dart
crank runner over-er
Anyone wanna guess if he will point out that “preservation” job to the next owner if he sells it?
Nothing has to be done. Car is done,ready to enjoy and will last a long time.
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
That is a damn fine question.
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
Disagree.
I have another question for you cause I honestly don't know. Do you wear 2 different color socks ? I know some people wear things that copliment their car.
Turbo440Dart
crank runner over-er
He’s currently waiting for you to build some chicken wire and expanding foam socks for him, you know, for longevity
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
TT5.9mag
Two atmospheres are better than one
Somebody call the burn ward.
I am not going to miss you at all.
You are truly a one-of-a-kind know-it-all.
LOL!
Well when really tear into my Challenger I’ll have to post the pictures here. Whoever did that thing belonged to the Kemper school of “preservation”. Ie, slather it in bondo and trick someone into buying it online and make it someone else’s problem.
Uh, ALL of this has to be undone. It won’t last. This is the definition of shoddy.
See, this is how I know you’re full of crap. Because you argue for “preserving” cars without spending a fortune, but then say this when someone has a perfectly driveable car and hasn’t spent $20k on a paint job.
That’s it I’m making chicken wire and fiberglass flip flops in different colors.
I mean, you could probably make a decent flip flop like that!
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