McCail's V.P.!

[2shelbys]

He won a Nobel Peace Prize! I don't think W has been nominated for anything except the booby prize.

HAHAHA. So did Yassir Arafat!!! Gore won one for a movie so full of lies and fabrications that the British government ruled that it could not be shown in schools without a disclaimer!

My thought is that little W may have just wanted to avenge his Pappy for the '91 Gulf War. We really have no business in Iraq, all it did was piss off the entire Middle East and wreck any chance of 'progress' with western nations.

I guess that is why people all over Europe are electing openly pro-U.S., pro-Bush leaders.

The loss of life is shameful and sad, and for what? What did we accomplish? Hussein posed no direct threat to our security.

But the loss of life under Saddam's torturing, raping, chemical weapon-using government was OK? We freed the people of an entire nation from servitude.

WMD were a lie and it was never proven that they harbored any terrorists

I guess if I ignored all the video and photos of entire installations being broken down and transported to Syria, and I ignored the testimony of several top Iraqi military leaders about how they moved their weapons programs to Syiria, even going so far as to list the types and numbers of vehicles and aircraft used to complete the move, and I ignored the mobile chemical weapons labs and chemical artillery shells our troops found, I might believe that too.

Hard to believe any of those guys down there posed a real threat to our national security. Plus, we are the USA, we're not supposed to have a Satalinesque image of torture and unreasonable incarceration. That's the reason all of it goes on in Cuba, no one would have stood for those tactics here. Bush took advantage of post 9/11 fear and threw the Contsitution out the window. Might have well just called them the SS

Oh really? What exactly do you know about any of them? Do you know how many of the ones who were released ended up being caught fighting our troops again?
The Constitution? You are so clueless. The Constitution only applies to American citizens. The Geneva convention does not even apply to these people. It only gives rights to uniformed soldiers of a legitimate combatant nation. It clearly states that non-official, un-uniformed combatants can be executed. The American troops in Cuba are the same as the SS? I won't even comment. The only proper response to such idiocy might get me banned.

Just so I know, what problems did Clinton create that Bush ended up dealing with? The economy was thriving!

Hmmm. lets see. he failed to respond to several terrorist attacks leading our enemies to believe they could attack us without fear. He turned down no less than three offers to turn over Osama Bin Laden. He decimated our military and intelligence commnities. In the most unbelieveable act of treason in history he used an executive order to ignore the warnings from the Pentagon and Congress and allowed the sale of missle technology to China that gave them the ability to target the U.S. with nuclear missles 10-12 years before they would have otherwise been able to, all in return for just one of the many illegal campaign contributions he got from potential enemies of this country. I could go on forever. Thriving? HAHAHAHA. Bush inherirted a mild recession. Man, I need to stop reading your posts before I say something that gets me thrown off of here.

 

[2shelbys]

WRONG... The economy was tanking in 2001-2003.

Also wrong. The downward trend started before Clinton left office.

 

[2shelbys]

I think the only ones who actually hate this country are the libs, the rest of the world we bail out with our tax dollars anyways, but the ones we bail out here complain about the party that is not afraid to kick *** when *** needs kicked.
We could settle the arguments much quicker with bigger bombs in a couple days, but we would never hear the end of Jimmy Carter, Jane Fonda, John (fake puple heart) Kerry and the lib weenies that vote for them.

I love the fact that the libs get billionaire backers like George Soros to fund elections, ad campaigns, hollywood movies, and still the american people see right through their BS.

I guess all they can do is keep hoping the next generations will get dumber, and dumberer unitl there is no semblance of the original intent of the constitution, the federalists views will be watered down out of existence, then the socialists can have their social programs just like Denmark.

Oh yeah, read up on Denmark and what their open border policy and welfare programs did for radical Islamic militants that moved their whole families over, sucked the welfare system dry and now want Sharia law to be practiced in their unofficial provinces.
Thats where feel good liberal policies get you.

Now Denmark officials are scratching their heads wondering what the hell they got themselves into.
Who do you think they will call when the crap hits the fan??

Or maybe you libs think we should all just convert to Islam, sing kumbaya with the death squads and let them babysit our daughters while we are at work.

Another excellent post cudaspaz.

 

[2shelbys]

The USA actually had negative growth during the last quarter of the Clinton Administration. This was worse than just slower growth, this was negative.

Dick Morris had begged Clinton to sign the welfare reform bill after he had vetoed it twice. Morris said that Clinton did so only after the polls indicated Clinton would lose re-election in 1996.

Don't forget that Clinton signed the biggest tax increase in world history until that point. Those chickens came home to roost (to paraphrase Rev. Wright) a few years later when that capital was absorbed by the government and spent on re-election pork and social programs. Money taken from investors means less money to grow buisness, which means fewer jobs created. It is a very simple relationship to understand.

Exactly correct.

 

[rmchrgr]

Wow. These posts have been unbelievably lopsided with paranoid, ultra-conservative viewpoints. Now they're sounding irrational. Extremisim comes in many forms, including American conservatism.

I'm not a bleeding-heart liberal; I drive an old car in NYC, I'm for people being able to keep their guns. I don't like govt. telling me what to do, I don't like people getting money that don't deserve it. Plus, I'm OK with people having conservative views. OK?

The rhetoric here is really surprising though, I only hope that in reality people are a little more tolerant and level-headed than some of the things I've read.

As far as I can tell, (and hope) no one is going to die from another Muslim extremist attack anytime soon (esp. if you live in the interior part of the country, away from a big city). Please don't cite 9/11 either, I knew people in the building (who luckily made it out) and actually watched one of the towers go down from the subway platform in my neighborhood; I would not then and will not now give in to the fear politics pushed forward by Bush and his disciple Giuliani.

People will not have to give up their guns or cars because of the democrats. It's your constitutional right to bear arms, to my knowledge no one is looking to deprive people of their rights, though listening to some of you you'd think that was the case. I can think of more important issues than guns, but I guess whatever makes you happy that's OK with me.

In my opinion, Bush has all but disregarded the constitution during his term, taking liberties with 'interpretations' wherever possible in the interest of national security. I can not stand behind this no matter what the situation because it wreaks of fascism to me.

Obama is also more of a Christian than McCain, something that for me is hard to like being a decidedly non-religious person.

Again, Bush is the worst rated president ever, by a large margin. How do you justify voting for his party given the long string of straight-up blunders and mismanagement? There's a reason the Republican Congress was voted out - they weren't doing a good enough job in the eyes of their constiuents.

 

[2shelbys]

Wow. These posts have been unbelievably lopsided with paranoid, ultra-conservative viewpoints. Now they're sounding irrational. Extremisim comes in many forms, including American conservatism.

I'm not a bleeding-heart liberal; I drive an old car in NYC, I'm for people being able to keep their guns. I don't like govt. telling me what to do, I don't like people getting money that don't deserve it. Plus, I'm OK with people having conservative views. OK?

Are you OK with someone saying that our troops in Cuba are the same as the SS?

The rhetoric here is really surprising though, I only hope that in reality people are a little more tolerant and level-headed than some of the things I've read.

All of the rhetoric has been on the liberal side. Pointing the massive errors in it is not rhetoric.

As far as I can tell, (and hope) no one is going to die from another Muslim extremist attack anytime soon (esp. if you live in the interior part of the country, away from a big city).

No thanks to the Democrats who have stood in the way of every attempt to combat the terrorists because they thought it would give them a political advantage.

Please don't cite 9/11 either, I knew people in the building (who luckily made it out) and actually watched one of the towers go down from the subway platform in my neighborhood;

I was managing a restaurant at the time and my head cook and two of my waitresses were from New York and had family in the towers. Amazingly, they all made it out OK.

People will not have to give up their guns or cars because of the democrats. It's your constitutional right to bear arms, to my knowledge no one is looking to deprive people of their rights, though listening to some of you you'd think that was the case.

You obviously have not read the words of the many prominent democrats in the anti-gun crowd, including Obama. He has stated in public for the record that his goal is to ban all handguns and semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. He also supports an increase in the tax on guns and ammo of up to 500%. Yes, 500%. He said it. All of the major anti-gun groups, the Brady Campaign, the VPC, the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, and even the U.N. have clearly and repeatedly voiced their goal of ultimately banning the private ownership of guns. That is why the recent Supreme Court decision was so vitally important.

In my opinion, Bush has all but disregarded the constitution during his term, taking liberties with 'interpretations' wherever possible in the interest of national security. I can not stand behind this no matter what the situation because it wreaks of fascism to me.

I trust the government probably as little as anyone else and and value the Constitution as much as anyone else. I have even studied Constitutional law on my own. Neither party has much concern for the Constitution, the dems especially. I am registered as a member of the Constitution party, not the republican party. So far, all of the claims of the Bush administration sidestepping the Constitution that have made by the democrats and their cohorts in the MSM, like the supposedly illegal wiretapping, have been complete B.S. I have a friend who worked at the NSA for 25 years. He has never told me anything specific about his job but I do know that the NSA has been listening in on every single form of communication in this country for over 50 years. There is nothing going on now that has not been going on since LONG before Bush was elected. Clinton ordered the un-warranted physical search of Aldrich Ame's home, a FAR more intrusive act than wiretapping. Where was all of the democrat's and media's concern for the Constitution then?

Obama is also more of a Christian than McCain, something that for me is hard to like being a decidedly non-religious person.

You have to be kidding. In his book "Audacity of Hope" he said "if the political winds blow in an ugly direction I will stand shoulder to shoulder with the Muslims". He spent 20 years as a member of a church, and personal friend and desciple of a man, that teaches hate and racism. Where in the teachings of Jesus did I miss his support of such things?

Again, Bush is the worst rated president ever, by a large margin. How do you justify voting for his party given the long string of straight-up blunders and mismanagement? There's a reason the Republican Congress was voted out - they weren't doing a good enough job in the eyes of their constiuents.

Your knowledge of history is obviously weak. And for the record, the reason the republicans were hammered in the 2006 election was that their own base was so sick of their weakness and knuckling under to the democrats that they stayed home. Do some research on voter turnout in the last 3 major elections. In 2000 and 2004, the numbers of registered republicans and democrats that voted were within a couple of percentage points, just over 30 million or so of each, hence the very close elections. In 2006, there were again over 30 million registered democrats who voted in the congressional elections but only 24 million republicans. Over 6 million republicans stayed home. And the important thing about that? The races were still just as close. The only explaination for that is that a far larger percentage of independents AND DEMOCRATS voted for republicans in 2006, making up for the lost base votes. It is also interesting that in that election, the one area where the republicans did do very well was in the areas hammered by Katrina. I guess the people there didn't fall for the media and democrats B.S. about the disaster being Bush's fault.

 

[70dartks]

i have a deal for you guys. i plan on voting for obama but if one of you buys my car then i will vote for mccain! lol

 

[Prine]

Now if the (R) Ticket said "Ron Paul-Sarah Palin" I would have no issues voting (R).....but since Ron Paul pulled out his (R) Presidential Bid, I contributed another $50.00 to his Campaign for Liberty, and will write his name on the Write In line and refuse to cast a vote for either of the Main Stream Media Elected Evils'.

Sarah Palin is a good representative for the People....she has done alot of good for Alaskan's....But on the other hand, I hope McSame has a Stroke with one of those outrages or memory lapses he has...:angry7:

 

[rmchrgr]

Are you OK with someone saying that our troops in Cuba are the same as the SS?

I said it, so yeah, I'm OK with it. The people who ran Abu Ghraib were under criminal invstigation for torturing prisoners, 90% of who were innocent. Sounds like fascist tactics to me.

All of the rhetoric has been on the liberal side. Pointing the massive errors in it is not rhetoric.

Really? I don't see anyone else chiming in with any differing viewpoints. So far I'm the only dissenting voice here. Please point out the liberal rhetoric to me.

No thanks to the Democrats who have stood in the way of every attempt to combat the terrorists because they thought it would give them a political advantage.

Right, the dems want to stand in the way of the war on terror for politcal advantage. With that statement it sounds like you're trying to connect the war in Iraq with 9/11. What I disagree with is that the Bush Admn. has gotten us into another Vietnam-like quagmire and has made no visible progress against Al Queda. Osama Bin laden is out there somewhere, but I don't think he's in Iraq. What do the republicans want to do about that? Continue to lose American lives in a senseless war?

You obviously have not read the words of the many prominent democrats in the anti-gun crowd, including Obama. He has stated in public for the record that his goal is to ban all handguns and semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. He also supports an increase in the tax on guns and ammo of up to 500%. Yes, 500%. He said it. All of the major anti-gun groups, the Brady Campaign, the VPC, the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, and even the U.N. have clearly and repeatedly voiced their goal of ultimately banning the private ownership of guns. That is why the recent Supreme Court decision was so vitally important.

Do you really need a handgun, semi-automatic weapon or shotgun? I don't see this as being such a bad idea. I don't want guns in the hands of paranoid psychos or criminals looking to use them for whatever hare-brained reasons they come up with.

Really though, the NRA, one of the largest lobbies in Washington would NEVER let guns be banned completely. It's a constitutional right to bear arms so I'm not sure what your agument is here.

I trust the government probably as little as anyone else and and value the Constitution as much as anyone else. I have even studied Constitutional law on my own. Neither party has much concern for the Constitution, the dems especially. I am registered as a member of the Constitution party, not the republican party. So far, all of the claims of the Bush administration sidestepping the Constitution that have made by the democrats and their cohorts in the MSM, like the supposedly illegal wiretapping, have been complete B.S. I have a friend who worked at the NSA for 25 years. He has never told me anything specific about his job but I do know that the NSA has been listening in on every single form of communication in this country for over 50 years. There is nothing going on now that has not been going on since LONG before Bush was elected. Clinton ordered the un-warranted physical search of Aldrich Ame's home, a FAR more intrusive act than wiretapping. Where was all of the democrat's and media's concern for the Constitution then?

The arrogant abuse of power by the Bush Admn. is inexcusable. No one should be able to spy on people without a court order. I don't want my government spying on me, I don't think you'd want that either. With their 'laws' in place, what's to stop them from doing just that? Again, this wreaks of fascism.

You have to be kidding. In his book "Audacity of Hope" he said "if the political winds blow in an ugly direction I will stand shoulder to shoulder with the Muslims". He spent 20 years as a member of a church, and personal friend and desciple of a man, that teaches hate and racism. Where in the teachings of Jesus did I miss his support of such things?

I think you may have taken the statement out of context. As I interpret it, it's about religious freedom. It's an anti-prejudice remark. Many people see Muslims as evil, regardless of their politcal affiliation. He's saying that he would stand by them against blind prejudice.

I don't agree with the sentiments of his former pastor either. Clearly Obama thought that he should leave his church because of those inflammatory remarks.

Your knowledge of history is obviously weak. And for the record, the reason the republicans were hammered in the 2006 election was that their own base was so sick of their weakness and knuckling under to the democrats that they stayed home. Do some research on voter turnout in the last 3 major elections. In 2000 and 2004, the numbers of registered republicans and democrats that voted were within a couple of percentage points, just over 30 million or so of each, hence the very close elections. In 2006, there were again over 30 million registered democrats who voted in the congressional elections but only 24 million republicans. Over 6 million republicans stayed home. And the important thing about that? The races were still just as close. The only explaination for that is that a far larger percentage of independents AND DEMOCRATS voted for republicans in 2006, making up for the lost base votes. It is also interesting that in that election, the one area where the republicans did do very well was in the areas hammered by Katrina. I guess the people there didn't fall for the media and democrats B.S. about the disaster being Bush's fault.

Well, no matter how you rationalize it, whoever it was that showed to vote that day apparently did not think that the GOP was doing a good enough job, so they lost.

 

[68_Dart_GT]

IF lack of experience is a real issue, then it’s more of an issue when that person is at the top of the ticket. Biden was chosen to compensate for lack of experience. Palin was chosen to broaden the ticket. This is a big difference. How many people have you heard of that said “Hey, I was undecided, and the addition of Biden has convinced me to vote for the Dems”? Maybe about zero. On the other hand, I have already spoken to several people that were undecided, but Palin strongly moved them to McCain. You’ll be able to tell the Dems are getting worried when they begin to attack Palin. Heck, Biden might even be pulling some of his hair plugs out by now. Don’t you kind of think Hilary hopes McCain wins? This way she can be nominated in 2012 and go against Palin.

 

[rmchrgr]

I'm going to say one last thing about all this crap because I'm sort of drained from arguing about it.

I'm glad I live in the USA where we can debate this stuff until we're blue in the face. This is the greatest country in the world and am thankful for the life I lead. I'm not inhumanely tortured by my government, starving for food or shelter or persecuted for my religion. We get to elect our officials and spend our money however we please. There's no war in my front yard and I can drive my old car wherever and whenever I want.

Thanks to everyone who posted to this thread, it proves that car guys are not the knuckle-dragging neanderthals people perceive us to be sometimes. As for some of you ultra-conservative guys, well... let's just agree to diagree. It's all good though, we're all Mopar guys in the end.

It's beer-thirty boys.

Greg

 

[1967DartGT]

"It's all good though, we're all Mopar guys in the end."

Unless, of course, we start arguing plymouth vs dodge. :snakeman:

 

[68 Sedan]

Since this has progressed beyond the Hottie in question, I thought I'd post this which I just got in an email. I recognize some of it as being (basically) factual, but I have not confirmed any of this.......


*OBAMA'S 'NOT EXACTLYS'**


**1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe
enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth,
as Selma was in 1965. (Google <http://www.google.com/>' Obama
Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its
various untruths.)**

**2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a
privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the
Kenyan Government.**

**3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was
part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya
has ever had.**

**4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT
EXACTLY; your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in
attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya.
It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current
government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and
establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is
Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire
campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. **

**Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to
get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the
elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then
burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where
they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the
election process here started. Google <http://www.google.com/>
Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the
truth.**

**5.) _My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian_ - NOT
EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to
her own interviews. Not to** **mention, Christianity wouldn't
allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1** **man.*

6.) _My Name is African Swahili_ - NOT EXACTLY, your name is
Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in
that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.*

**Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would
be the first Arab-American President, not the first black
President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his
mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his
father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from
Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein
Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his
father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African
Negro). From....and for more....go to.....**

**
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_
only_6.25%25_African**


**7.) _I Never Practiced Islam_ - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it
daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept
that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you
could run for office.**

** 4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam''
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559>**

**8.) _My School In Indonesia was Christian _- NOT EXACTLY, you
were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic
Studies for making faces (check your own book).**

**February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year
ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to
prayer, re citing them with a first-rate accent. In a remark
that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters
heart attacks); Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one
of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one
example of what Pamela is talking about when she says **'Obama's
narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to
whitewash troubling facts**.'*

*9.) _I Was Fluent In Indonesian_ - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher
says you could speak the language.**

**10.) _Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign
Experience_ - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to
10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn,
how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?*


*11.) _I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs_ - NOT EXACTLY, except for
Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise); you have never
been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our
closest allies.**

**12.) _I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion_ - NOT EXACTLY,
you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of
Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you
were just fine.**

**13.) _An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office_ - NOT EXACTLY,
Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't,
and never did, exist.**

**14.) _A Life Magazine Article Changed My outlook on Life _- NOT
EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It
doesn't, and never did, exist.**


**15.) _I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08_ - NOT EXACTLY, here you
are, despite saying, live on TV,** **that you would not have enough
experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.**

**16.) _Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate_ - NOT EXACTLY,
they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.**

**17.) _Oops, I Misvoted_ - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church
groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.**

**18.) _I Was A Professor Of Law_ - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior
lecturer ON LEAVE.*

*19.) _I Was A Constitutional Lawyer_ - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior
lecturer ON LEAVE.**

**20.) _Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill_ - NOT EXACTLY, you
didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.**

**21.) _The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass_ - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14
days from start to finish.**

**22.) _I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill _- NOT EXACTLY, your bill was
rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation
- mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod
came.**

**23.) _I Have Released My State Records_ - NOT EXACTLY, as of March,
2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released,
exposing all** **the special interests pork hidden within.**

**24.) _I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess_ - NOT EXACTLY, you
were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You
failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.**

**25.) _My Economics Bill Will Help America_ - NOT EXACTLY, your 111
economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0,
and even YOU voted against your own bill.**

**26.) _I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois_ - NOT EXACTLY, even your
own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.**

**27.)_ I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year_ - NOT EXACTLY, they
were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a
fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.*

*28.) _No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA_ - NOT
EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the
conversation your campaign had with them.**

**29.) _I Am Tough On Terrorism_ - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran
Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports
the destruction of Israel .*

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY; you said let the delegates
decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that
limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only
operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed
26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics
to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists,
and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your
own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple <http://www.apple.com/> in
one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in
office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your
plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 illegals who don't have to
buy it.

 

[Small Block]

Wow! I guess he only lies when his mouth is moving. Huuuumm

 

[2shelbys]

Now if the (R) Ticket said "Ron Paul-Sarah Palin" I would have no issues voting (R).....but since Ron Paul pulled out his (R) Presidential Bid, I contributed another $50.00 to his Campaign for Liberty, and will write his name on the Write In line and refuse to cast a vote for either of the Main Stream Media Elected Evils'.

Sarah Palin is a good representative for the People....she has done alot of good for Alaskan's....But on the other hand, I hope McSame has a Stroke with one of those outrages or memory lapses he has...:angry7:

I like A LOT of what Ron says but just immediately pulling out of Iraq would be supremely stupid and disasterous.

 

[Prine]

I think it was Supremely Stupid and Disasterous to goto Iraq, not to mention how much it costs American Taxpayer money each day we continue, which is now so inflated it ruined the Economy and the middle class is dissolving into peasants....Hurry Home Troops!

The War on Terror is a crock, Osama Bin Laden has been Dead since 2003...but you wouldn't know it because the Main Stream Media grabbed your balls through your eyes and has your mind under control....9/11/01 was a spectacle designed specifically for you to see and witness so you would be scared and willing to trade your liberty for some Federal "Safety".

Don't try to educate me on this....I am not a Sheep.

 

[2shelbys]

I said it, so yeah, I'm OK with it. The people who ran Abu Ghraib were under criminal invstigation for torturing prisoners, 90% of who were innocent. Sounds like fascist tactics to me.

If it was so bad why did the prisoners there start begging for the Americans to come back shortly after we turned the prison over to the Iraqis? This was even reported by some in the MSM.

Really? I don't see anyone else chiming in with any differing viewpoints. So far I'm the only dissenting voice here. Please point out the liberal rhetoric to me.

I already did. Pretty much everything you have said is B.S. democrat talking points put out by the MSM and the Democrats that you did not bother to research yourself.

Right, the dems want to stand in the way of the war on terror for politcal advantage. With that statement it sounds like you're trying to connect the war in Iraq with 9/11.

How so? I am talking about them exposing secret intelligence operations, holding up vital funding for the troops, insulting Turkey over an event that was resolved decades ago in the hope of alienating them so they would stop allowing us to supply our troops from bases there, doing everything they can to destroy the morale of the troops from calling them nazis, the same as Pol Pot's butchers, terrorists, cold-blooded murderers, and every other vile thing they can think of, and making countless statements in public that have fueled the morale of the terrorists who often repeat their words. One of the things that made this war so much harder is that the help our troops had been getting from the Iraqi people in identifying and capturing terrorist leaders and fighters completely stopped because the Iraqis began to fear that were going to pull out and leave them to the revenge of the terrorists. Where do you think they got that idea?

What I disagree with is that the Bush Admn. has gotten us into another Vietnam-like quagmire and has made no visible progress against Al Queda.

Do you pay any attention at all or just repeat democrat talking points? The progress in Iraq has reached the point that even the democrats and the MSM have had to finally acknowledge it for fear of having even the most dim bulbs in the drawer figure out what frauds they are. Even Harry Reid, one of the most treasonous offenders, praised the progress after returning from there.

Osama Bin laden is out there somewhere, but I don't think he's in Iraq. What do the republicans want to do about that? Continue to lose American lives in a senseless war?

Osama Bin Laden is one man and exactly how much success has he had since 2001? We have killed most of his heirarchy. We are killing terrorists in Iraq. They are going there to be killed. Would you prefer that they stay safe and keep plotting their next attack? Or come here?

Do you really need a handgun, semi-automatic weapon or shotgun? I don't see this as being such a bad idea.

So we should only be allowed to have what you or someone else thinks we need? Is this the Soviet Union? I thought we had a Bill of Rights, not a Bill of Needs. Who really needs a muscle car? I guess you want to take them away too? What about big screen TVs? According to Department of Justice statistics, an average of well over 1 million crimes per year are foiled by armed citizens. A criminal is 11 times as likely to be shot by an armed citizen as by a police officer. Orlando, Florida had a highly-publicized self defense gun course for women. Over the next year the number of rapes decreased 88%. Semi-automatic guns fire no faster than the typical revolver of 150 years ago. They fire one shot with each trigger pull. Most of them fire pistol ammo that is far less powerful than that of the average hunting rifle. Millions of hunters use shotguns. You really need to stop buying into liberal lies and educate yourself.

I don't want guns in the hands of paranoid psychos or criminals looking to use them for whatever hare-brained reasons they come up with.

That is why it is already illegal for such people to own guns. I have some news for you. Criminals do not obey laws, including gun laws. That is why they are called criminals.

Really though, the NRA, one of the largest lobbies in Washington would NEVER let guns be banned completely. It's a constitutional right to bear arms so I'm not sure what your agument is here.

If the wrong people get in power and into the courts, people like Obama, who not only care nothing about the Constitution and the American way of life but indeed have contemp for them, the NRA could do little to stop them. Remember, slavery used to be perfectly OK with the Supreme Court.

The arrogant abuse of power by the Bush Admn. is inexcusable. No one should be able to spy on people without a court order. I don't want my government spying on me, I don't think you'd want that either. With their 'laws' in place, what's to stop them from doing just that? Again, this wreaks of fascism.

So, an intelligence operation that has been going on since Bush was a child is all his fault? It is not the fault of democrat Harry Truman who was President when all this started? It is not the fault of other Presidents like Truman again, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, and Clinton who all benefitted from information gained by these operations in time of war or other serious international crisis? Please explain your logic on this.

I think you may have taken the statement out of context. As I interpret it, it's about religious freedom. It's an anti-prejudice remark. Many people see Muslims as evil, regardless of their politcal affiliation. He's saying that he would stand by them against blind prejudice.

OMG. That is the weakest rationalization I have ever heard. Are you serious? He said nothing about racism or religious freedom. He said "if the political winds blow in an ugly direction", and obvious reference to conflict between the Muslims and the western powers.

I don't agree with the sentiments of his former pastor either. Clearly Obama thought that he should leave his church because of those inflammatory remarks.

Please. He staunchly defended Rev. Wright and remained a member of the Church until a few months ago when he realized the American people found it horrifying. You are not seriously one of those people who believes his pathetically obvious lie about not knowing anything about Rev Wright's true beliefs for 20 years and all of the sudden figuring it out a few months ago are you? HE CALLED THE MAN HIS MENTOR! He had his mariage performed by this man and had him baptize his children! They were close friends and associates for 20 years! Use your head my friend.

Well, no matter how you rationalize it, whoever it was that showed to vote that day apparently did not think that the GOP was doing a good enough job, so they lost.

But they should have lost by a huge margin. The reason they didn't is that there were millions of independents and democrats who did not vote for them in 2000 and 2004 who thought they were doing a good job, or at least were fed up with the democrat's treason.

 

[2shelbys]

I think it was Supremely Stupid and Disasterous to goto Iraq, not to mention how much it costs American Taxpayer money each day we continue, which is now so inflated it ruined the Economy and the middle class is dissolving into peasants.

Me too. I did not support us going in either, but the only thing even more stupid would be pulling out without winning. That worked REALLY well in Viet Nam. Are you dissolving into a peasant? I am doing better than I ever have. The democrat's refusal to allow us to produce our own oil costs this country FAR more than the war ever will.

The War on Terror is a crock, Osama Bin Laden has been Dead since 2003...

Oh really? And you know this how?

but you wouldn't know it because the Main Stream Media grabbed your balls through your eyes and has your mind under control

OMG. Have you even read any of my posts? You can read can't you?

....9/11/01 was a spectacle designed specifically for you to see and witness

Man, I am so sad to see you are apparently one of those loonies who thinks we perpetrated 9/11 ourselves.

so you would be scared and willing to trade your liberty for some Federal "Safety".

Again, do you even read any of my posts?

Don't try to educate me on this....I am not a Sheep.

Me either, but I am rational.

 

[2shelbys]

Since this has progressed beyond the Hottie in question, I thought I'd post this which I just got in an email. I recognize some of it as being (basically) factual, but I have not confirmed any of this.......


*OBAMA'S 'NOT EXACTLYS'**.

Wow. I was aware of a lot of those but MAN. And there are still people who think they can trust ANYTHING he says. Amazing.

 

[2shelbys]

IF lack of experience is a real issue, then it&#8217;s more of an issue when that person is at the top of the ticket. Biden was chosen to compensate for lack of experience. Palin was chosen to broaden the ticket. This is a big difference. How many people have you heard of that said &#8220;Hey, I was undecided, and the addition of Biden has convinced me to vote for the Dems&#8221;? Maybe about zero. On the other hand, I have already spoken to several people that were undecided, but Palin strongly moved them to McCain. You&#8217;ll be able to tell the Dems are getting worried when they begin to attack Palin. Heck, Biden might even be pulling some of his hair plugs out by now. Don&#8217;t you kind of think Hilary hopes McCain wins? This way she can be nominated in 2012 and go against Palin.

Actually, the day after Biden was announced as Obama's running mate, McCain jumped 5 points ahead in all the major polls for whatever that is worth. I think Hillary hopes that the lawsuit to remove Obama from the race because he is not an American citizen continues to go well so she can still run this year.

 

[rmchrgr]

Step away from the computer, there 2shelbys... :hiding:

take a deep breath... go outside for a walk...

it's going to be OK...

 

[FASTBACK340]

I'm *this close* to shutting this thread down guys.... Leave the politics for the forums that support it. We're here for friendly conversation revolving around our beloved money pits, Mopars.​

 

[70dartks]

lets end it like this. we will see in november and if obama wins then all you crazy conspiracy theorists can move to canada! lol

 

[68 Sedan]

just like half of Hollyweird said they would (and didn't...what a shame) if Bush was elected

 

[Small Block]

So far there has been no name calling and this is still somewhat civil and that i believe is healthy but i do know you are setting buy the big RED button.
Saw on the news this morning that during her reign as governor in Alaska, Sarah has managed to have some of her own corrupt party behind bars. They called them the CBC( Corrupt Bastards Club). If i'm not mistaken that is something we all are tired of and would gladly see someone controlling the reigns that would not tolerate the common Joe tax payer being scammed. It all needs some diligent research to make a wise chioce and i hope all of us do some rather than listen to what we are told.
As far as the experience issue goes, we all have experience. No one has experience in the presidential office until they've been there for a number of years then and only then will there be a poll to determine how someone thought they did,BUT we all have experience in life wheather it would be spent doing the right thing or the wrong thing, lieing or telling the truth. Take the blinders off and look at the facts. I have to agree with shelby and sedan and many more. Remember i'm a no party guy. I vote for the right person.