Need opinions on this Demon for $25k

[fishmens67]

Nope not me. Clones are not worth that kind of money.

Clones are better than survivors. imo
Mopars came from the factory with cheesy interiors and less than stellar body panel alignment and paint.
Mr. Goodwrench had it all over Ma Mopar.
I really like my 67 fastback S clone with the 451 I've had since 1978 putting my touch to it.
Most here couldn't afford what I'd have to get out of it if I sold it.

 

[Dan the man]

I’d say that’s an excellent game plan for that car. There’s no reason to strip to to bare metal to fix those tiny little bubbles if you want to drive the car. If you want a perfect car, well, it’s gonna cost a lot more than $25k no matter how you do it.



The quarters on these cars were wavy from the damn factory and the body fits were all over the map.

You don’t own an A-body, you’re not even vaguely close to well informed on them, and you’re the last person that anyone looking to buy a classic should be taking advice from.

If you want a perfect Demon, you’re gonna have to spend A LOT more than $25k. If all you have is $25k, you’re going to have to decide what things you’re willing to compromise on, because there’s going to be a lot of compromises at that price point.

And if you need perfect to go to a car show
1-you need to spend a lot more
2-you’re more worried about your ego than enjoying your car



Exactly. That would be a hell of an investment if you got 2 years of good memories out of it.

People that need to make money on their resale aren’t car guys. They’re investors. If you’re more worried about your return than enjoying a classic car, well, don’t buy a classic car.

FYI, I've had 3 A bodies and the only one that had wavy quarter panels was the 73 dart and that was because the guy who owned it before me got the quarter panels to hot when he welded them on. I've never had any car that had gaps as bad as the demon this post is about.

 

[Dan the man]

Clones are better than survivors. imo
Mopars came from the factory with cheesy interiors and less than stellar body panel alignment and paint.
Mr. Goodwrench had it all over Ma Mopar.
I really like my 67 fastback S clone with the 451 I've had since 1978 putting my touch to it.
Most here couldn't afford what I'd have to get out of it if I sold it.

Mopars came out with the sloppiest steering I've ever seen too.

 

[72bluNblu]

I'm the type to charge prices of parts or cars as if it was pre 2015 to keep the hobby alive and well but that's just me and I totally understand the rise in prices.

Hey that’s great, but underselling your stuff doesn’t mean any of the cars in this thread wouldn’t be an absolute STEAL at even $15k

FYI, I've had 3 A bodies and the only one that had wavy quarter panels was the 73 dart and that was because the guy who owned it before me got the quarter panels to hot when he welded them on. I've never had any car that had gaps as bad as the demon this post is about.

Yeah? I’ve got 3 right now. And owned a 4th at one point. All original paint or mostly original paint cars too. Even accounting for wear and tear, none of them had perfectly straight panels or particularly uniform gaps.

If you think most of these cars had nice straight body panels and good gaps from the factory you’re as delusional as anyone on this board that actually still thinks you’re gonna buy a Mopar some day.

But let’s be real, you’ve never done bodywork or gapped panels yourself. So profess your opinion all you like, I’m well aware you haven’t the foggiest idea what you’re talking about.

 

[oldmopardude]

I have several A bodies, among others, but the pictures I see here give me bad vibs.20 years ago I wanted a GTX, and it looked like that car. when I got into it, the car was a complete rust bucket.

I still to this day get mad at myself for getting in a hurry and buying that car!

 

[72bluNblu]

I have several A bodies, among others, but the pictures I see here give me bad vibs.20 years ago I wanted a GTX, and it looked like that car. when I got into it, the car was a complete rust bucket.

I still to this day get mad at myself for getting in a hurry and buying that car!

You’ve got to look at them in person. I’ve seen pictures that make terrible cars look awesome and pictures of awesome cars that look terrible. But in the pictures shown I don’t see anything to crap on the original car shown. It’s nowhere near perfect but a $20 to $25k Demon is not going to be perfect in this decade.

 

[Dan the man]

Hey that’s great, but underselling your stuff doesn’t mean any of the cars in this thread wouldn’t be an absolute STEAL at even $15k



Yeah? I’ve got 3 right now. And owned a 4th at one point. All original paint or mostly original paint cars too. Even accounting for wear and tear, none of them had perfectly straight panels or particularly uniform gaps.

If you think most of these cars had nice straight body panels and good gaps from the factory you’re as delusional as anyone on this board that actually still thinks you’re gonna buy a Mopar some day.

But let’s be real, you’ve never done bodywork or gapped panels yourself. So profess your opinion all you like, I’m well aware you haven’t the foggiest idea what you’re talking about.

I've already said that I couldn't do body work and I never claimed that I have. My 70 dart had straight panel and the body gaps were great, now the 73 dart I had was not good.

 

[318willrun]

It's why I love 318 cars. A guy doesn't have to give an arm and leg for one, and can make it anyway he pleases without worrying about messing up the museum.

 

[mopowers]

I have several A bodies, among others, but the pictures I see here give me bad vibs.20 years ago I wanted a GTX, and it looked like that car. when I got into it, the car was a complete rust bucket.

I still to this day get mad at myself for getting in a hurry and buying that car!

Totally. People will more often than not try to show a vehicle that they're selling in it's best light. When you see red flags (or even yellow flags) in photos, you almost have to assume it's worse in person because of things you're not seeing in photos. It's better to be safe than sorry for sure.

 

[72bluNblu]

Totally. People will more often than not try to show a vehicle that they're selling in its best light. When you see red flags (or even yellow flags) in photos, you almost have to assume it's worse in person because of things you're not seeing in photos. It's better to be safe than sorry for sure.

And it still depends on what you’re looking for. But yeah, I’ve seen cars that looked terrible in pictures that were super clean in person and definitely cars that looked awesome in pictures that were straight junk.

My ‘72 Challenger was an Utah car that went to Florida. It’s a bondo sculpture. And you know what? People gave me compliments on this board about the pictures of that car. I was told by people in person how awesome it looked. It was just shiny, the actual bodywork was terrible.

When I’m done with that car it will have almost entirely new rear frame rails, a new front frame rail, significant repairs to the floors, trunk and torsion bar crossmember, two brand new quarters, two new fenders, a new roof structure on the passenger side, new roof skin, and probably a couple more things I find along the way.

I paid $11k for the car and drove it over 70k miles. I probably overpaid at the time, I knew it had some sketchy bodywork but the full extent of the rust was a surprise. But it was running and driving and a Challenger and I wanted a daily. I could have bought nicer or more expensive cars that wouldn’t have done that many miles. Not one regret, it did more than I could even have expected it to. And I could probably sell it tomorrow with only half that work done and not running for the same $11k I bought it for because of how much the market has changed for those cars, wrecks are selling for that much now.

Which is why some of the nit picking and negative Nancy’s on this board are just ridiculous. Yeah if something is super obvious or wildly overpriced you can usually tell, but arguing $5k on a mid-range car without seeing it in person? Cmon.

 

[oldmopardude]

I saw two glaring things already mentioned, those bars either have never been touched, or the undrtcoating came after. I am suspicious mainly because I have restored many,many front suspensions, and the lower A frame bumper appears to be making contact with the frame. if so, the torsion bars are either way low adjustment height wise, or the lower bushings are shot.

i also have a less than confident feeling whenever I hear an owner or inspector saying a car is"solid" ?

 

[mopowers]

I saw two glaring things already mentioned, those bars either have never been touched, or the undrtcoating came after. I am suspicious mainly because I have restored many,many front suspensions, and the lower A frame bumper appears to be making contact with the frame. if so, the torsion bars are either way low adjustment height wise, or the lower bushings are shot.

i also have a less than confident feeling whenever I hear an owner or inspector saying a car is"solid" ?

It's better to be suspicious than naive.

 

[Dan the man]

Hey that’s great, but underselling your stuff doesn’t mean any of the cars in this thread wouldn’t be an absolute STEAL at even $15k



Yeah? I’ve got 3 right now. And owned a 4th at one point. All original paint or mostly original paint cars too. Even accounting for wear and tear, none of them had perfectly straight panels or particularly uniform gaps.

If you think most of these cars had nice straight body panels and good gaps from the factory you’re as delusional as anyone on this board that actually still thinks you’re gonna buy a Mopar some day.

But let’s be real, you’ve never done bodywork or gapped panels yourself. So profess your opinion all you like, I’m well aware you haven’t the foggiest idea what you’re talking about.

You don't have the foggiest idea of what I have or haven't done. You don't have to know about body work to spot poor / bad body work or poor body gapps.

 

[Dan the man]

It's why I love 318 cars. A guy doesn't have to give an arm and leg for one, and can make it anyway he pleases without worrying about messing up the museum.

318 cars can be fun and not cost a bundle to build

 

[318willrun]

318 cars can be fun and not cost a bundle to build

318 cars don't have to stay "318" cars. 360's, 408's, or big blocks fit as well. You just don't pay the "H" code tax.

 

[72bluNblu]

You don't have the foggiest idea of what I have or haven't done. You don't have to know about body work to spot poor / bad body work or poor body gapps.

Dan, you’ve said more than once on this board that you can’t do bodywork. Based on other comments you’ve made, I 100% believe that.

If you’ve never done bodywork, you have absolutely no clue how evaluate the bodywork on a car beyond the level of the average 6 year old. Shiny, smooth, etc. Means very little.

You don’t know what you don’t know, and the idea that you’re trying to give advice to someone based on a couple internet pictures when you have zero experience, knowledge or relevant skills on the matter is ludicrous.

You can’t even spell body gaps.

 

[Dan the man]

Dan, you’ve said more than once on this board that you can’t do bodywork. Based on other comments you’ve made, I 100% believe that.

If you’ve never done bodywork, you have absolutely no clue how evaluate the bodywork on a car beyond the level of the average 6 year old. Shiny, smooth, etc. Means very little.

You don’t know what you don’t know, and the idea that you’re trying to give advice to someone based on a couple internet pictures when you have zero experience, knowledge or relevant skills on the matter is ludicrous.

You can’t even spell body gaps.

Body work isn't easy. And I did a typo on the word

 

[oldkimmer]

Totally. People will more often than not try to show a vehicle that they're selling in it's best light. When you see red flags (or even yellow flags) in photos, you almost have to assume it's worse in person because of things you're not seeing in photos. It's better to be safe than sorry for sure.

I absolutely agree. Kim

 

[matthon]

There are multiple Demons and the like for sale at Carlisle. Only took a picture of 1, overload of them.

This one had a Sizzler hood, so get out your #s matching correct factory options notebook and tear it a new one.

Great looking car, imo, awesome interior, and metal mess headlight covers for those 4 wheeling trips.

 

[340six]

Dan, you’ve said more than once on this board that you can’t do bodywork. Based on other comments you’ve made, I 100% believe that.

If you’ve never done bodywork, you have absolutely no clue ho the bodywork on a car beyond the level of the average 6 year old. Shiny, smooth, etc. Means very little.

You don’t know what you don’t know, and the idea that you’re trying to give advice to someone based on a couple internet pictures when you have zero experience, knowledge or relevant skills on the matter is ludicrous.

You can’t even spell body gaps.

Having worked at a body shop, and seeing what Dan has stated / posted in the past, i can agree.

 

[Mike69cuda]

You need to decide what you want. If you want a show car, you are in the wrong price range. If you want a nice looking driver, this could be it. A reasonably nice driver was about 12K 10 years ago. Now that number is probably in the 20s.

No matter what 50 year old car you buy, it is likely going to be a money loser. Make sure you have some money left over for repairs.

My barracuda had a fair amount of paint bubbling when I bout it 8 years ago. It hasn’t got much worse since then. It is stored inside and gets driven 3-5 k a year.

Stand back 10 feet and look at it. If it looks good to you, it will look the same to others.

Perfectionism causes misery, not joy. If you buy a perfect car, you will forever be afraid to drive it. If it is solid mechanically and a real 340, it may be reasonable deal.

 

[junkyardhero]

FYI, I've had 3 A bodies and the only one that had wavy quarter panels was the 73 dart and that was because the guy who owned it before me got the quarter panels to hot when he welded them on. I've never had any car that had gaps as bad as the demon this post is about.

let's see them pics man! you keep woofin' about how you had this that or the other thing, so c'mon and let's see it!

you talk as if you know about these cars, but everything you say is counter to that.

which brings us to:

Mopars came out with the sloppiest steering I've ever seen too.

did mopar have super light over assisted power steering? you betcha!

but sloppy? for a 60's car i hardly think so.

 

[ch1ll]

Clones are better than survivors. imo
Mopars came from the factory with cheesy interiors and less than stellar body panel alignment and paint.
Mr. Goodwrench had it all over Ma Mopar.
I really like my 67 fastback S clone with the 451 I've had since 1978 putting my touch to it.
Most here couldn't afford what I'd have to get out of it if I sold it.

Your right about all that, but not for that money. You have to have known you'll never get your money all out of your car if you sell it.
It's like real estate, it's not an investment for the average guy or hobbyist. Investors are not emotional. They invest in things that make money and not nessisarily what the like.

 

[340sFastback]

Mopars have sloppy steering?? Yeah when bushings, ball joints, steering boxes etc are worn out sure. But otherwise thats a totally bull **** fake news statement.....

 

[340sFastback]

Dump tons of money into car then state can't get back out? Go put your money in an Index Fund or something and drop out of car hobby if your looking to invest.....