Phoenix Specialty Coatings' Price Structure Changing -- Your Opinion is Requested
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zigs
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WOW! $15 dollars Leanna. Are you self insured, do you have a payroll, do you have house hold bills on top of shop overhead. When we talked about doing my stuff you gave me a lump sum figure, I never stopped to brake it down. Be true to yourself ,your workmanship will speak for its self. Only ajust after mine is finished LOL. I think you need a raise pumkin.
Damn, now I need that stick to poke my minds eye out with again. LOL
I have no idea how you could charge only $15 an hour Leanna. Look at what body or mechanic shops charge. I am not saying I would not like a great deal, but a girl has to make a decent living.
Jack
inkjunkie
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Now there is a visual I could have lived the rest of my life without.....
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Thanks Zigs!!! That made me laugh. (Glad I stopped in for a minute because I needed one .....) And the rest of you are doing a good job of cracking me up too, always appreciated.
Self-insured yes, payroll no (it's just me and Billy but he's doing his own project thing most of the time), and definitely a biggg 10-4 on the household bills.
I gotta get back to the shop, but I want everyone to be assured that all customers' parts that are here now -- as well as those I have previously quoted within the last 6 months -- will be done under the terms originally agreed upon. I wouldn't dream of springing that on anyone mid-contract.
4 people (maybe :newb
who don't know who Leanna is here on FABO?! Hope that is just tongue in cheek!
I'd say the more custom stuff (like the Offy, Lynx manifold, poly and slant valve covers you've done for me) or substantial metal work should be by time at the very least. The more mundane stuff like brackets, pulleys, etc maybe should be more flat rate since you already have a good idea of how long and what it takes for that kind of stuff.
who don't know who Leanna is here on FABO?! Hope that is just tongue in cheek! I'd say the more custom stuff (like the Offy, Lynx manifold, poly and slant valve covers you've done for me) or substantial metal work should be by time at the very least. The more mundane stuff like brackets, pulleys, etc maybe should be more flat rate since you already have a good idea of how long and what it takes for that kind of stuff.
Project 65
Well-Known Member
I haven't had the pleasure of having work done by PSC.From what I have heard and pics I have seen your work is second to no one.A great top quality job that is done with alot of care and pride is worth whatever you feel you need to charge and will be worth every $$$. The fact you give discounts to FBO member is a bonus for all of us here.
X100
No One works for $15.00 /hour for custom work !!!
Leanna ,PM sent for a shop rate calculator I use to figure my auto shop rate...
Martin
Thanks guys! Keep those opinions and votes coming. Every one of them has merit.
Dartman1969
69 Dart Frankenstein
Leanna,
I am by no means an expert in the powder coating business but it seems to me that $15 an hour is not enough for labor. I did a quick Google search for powder coating prices and saw labor rates as much as $50 an hour. I would recommend that you do some research on what your competition is charging. I would also suggest that you build a price sheet for typical work. Check out this page for an example: http://www.absolutepowdercoating.com/price-automotive.html
Prices for custom work or work that requires extensive labor would be higher but you would at least have a baseline set. I would also make sure you are using technology to your benefit. Most people have digital cameras and internet access. Have potential customers email you high quality photos of their parts for estimates. Having these will give you a fairly good idea of the amount of work you will need to do to the items.
Keep up the fantastic work and make sure you are getting paid for your skills!!
~Michael
I am by no means an expert in the powder coating business but it seems to me that $15 an hour is not enough for labor. I did a quick Google search for powder coating prices and saw labor rates as much as $50 an hour. I would recommend that you do some research on what your competition is charging. I would also suggest that you build a price sheet for typical work. Check out this page for an example: http://www.absolutepowdercoating.com/price-automotive.html
Prices for custom work or work that requires extensive labor would be higher but you would at least have a baseline set. I would also make sure you are using technology to your benefit. Most people have digital cameras and internet access. Have potential customers email you high quality photos of their parts for estimates. Having these will give you a fairly good idea of the amount of work you will need to do to the items.
Keep up the fantastic work and make sure you are getting paid for your skills!!
~Michael
zigs
Well-Known Member
Thats why I went out of town to get my powder coating. I could have gotten it done here ,the guy has the same stuff but I don't know if the finished work would be the same. I want my stuff hand rubbed by Leanna.
:wave:
$50 an hour huh??? I can't imagine presenting a bill for $1300 for the set of Commando valve covers I finished up yesterday after a total of 26 hours of work (16 just in polishing the fins!). Even at $15/hour, the $390 result is a far cry from what I usually charge to do a set of them.
Maybe my real "problem" with it is that I was an enthusiast, a motorhead and a muscle car owner long before I started this business, and I put myself in the customer's place: There's no way in Hell I personally would pay that much to get a 45 year old car part restored. I suppose the fact that those who charge $50/hour are apparently still in business bears witness that there are people out there who will though.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you've never looked at my website Michael. I don't mind :-D, it's just that the Pricing & Shipping page has everything that Absolute Powder's does, and more. If you scroll down a little ways past the Price Lists, you'll see how I prefer to handle internet quotes too.
I have a 14.2 megapixel digital camera -- my close ups are taken from between 2 and 3 inches away -- but that doesn't mean the potential customers do. Most don't even realize their parts need repairs or have visible dents. Though pictures go a long way to helping me envision the prep work and offer a meaningful quote, I still don't know exactly what all is going to be involved in its restoration until that part is on my workbench in front of me.
Most places just blast, coat and return what's presented to them in the fastest possible manner. Unless I'm otherwise instructed, I'll work to get your metal as close to perfect as possible before putting any powder on it in the first place. Yes it takes a little longer but I think the results are worth the extra effort.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts guys! Don't be shy -- all of this is really helping.
Dartman1969
69 Dart Frankenstein
Leanna,
I am by no means suggesting that you charge $50 an hour. I appreciate the fact that you are a enthusiast!! I was simply pointing out the fact that I don't think you are charging a price that is fair to you based on all the work you put into creating a beautiful piece. I have looked at your website but I went straight to the photo gallery and never bothered to look any farther. I will go take a much more in depth look at your page.
~Michael
I am by no means suggesting that you charge $50 an hour. I appreciate the fact that you are a enthusiast!! I was simply pointing out the fact that I don't think you are charging a price that is fair to you based on all the work you put into creating a beautiful piece. I have looked at your website but I went straight to the photo gallery and never bothered to look any farther. I will go take a much more in depth look at your page.
~Michael
Weekend bump for more votes ... :-D
After reading more than I like 
:coffee2:
I have came to one conclusion :glasses7:
Leanna does outstanding work and I know first hand :cheers:
nothing leaves unless inspected well by her fine eyes and hands :glasses7:
and she kept me updated when my parts arrived and after sand/media blasting was dun..
by phone or here by Pm here at fabo...
Cost of material + top notch labor has got to come into play here:coffee2:
And we all know that compressor and oven run time is a heavy burden of cost to run.
with this all said Leanna I agree with the member's here that you need a raise sistha :book:
I am going to vote 10% for all members :glasses7:
and if we are a gold member we get to have pride knowing we are on board keeping this great site up and running :wave:
Keep up the good work Leanna :cheers:
I would do a full run time video of the time it takes you to blast a single valve cover with pop up's of the compressor is still spinning the electric meter with dolor signs $$$ You get my meaning I am sure
Keep the high heels for pictures and make sure you keep a good pair of soft soul shoes for work because lord know my feet/shoulders and neck would be killing me in front of that blasted blasting box :-s
My valve cover will be coming for a two tone like another member got here:happy10:
I love it :cheers:
Victoria and I thank you :glasses7:
for all the great work you have put into my old parts and made them custom and new again :happy10::happy10::happy10:
:coffee2: I have came to one conclusion :glasses7:
Leanna does outstanding work and I know first hand :cheers:
nothing leaves unless inspected well by her fine eyes and hands :glasses7:
and she kept me updated when my parts arrived and after sand/media blasting was dun..
by phone or here by Pm here at fabo...
Cost of material + top notch labor has got to come into play here:coffee2:
And we all know that compressor and oven run time is a heavy burden of cost to run.
with this all said Leanna I agree with the member's here that you need a raise sistha :book:
I am going to vote 10% for all members :glasses7:
and if we are a gold member we get to have pride knowing we are on board keeping this great site up and running :wave:
Keep up the good work Leanna :cheers:
I would do a full run time video of the time it takes you to blast a single valve cover with pop up's of the compressor is still spinning the electric meter with dolor signs $$$ You get my meaning I am sure
Keep the high heels for pictures and make sure you keep a good pair of soft soul shoes for work because lord know my feet/shoulders and neck would be killing me in front of that blasted blasting box :-s
My valve cover will be coming for a two tone like another member got here:happy10:
I love it :cheers:
Victoria and I thank you :glasses7:
for all the great work you have put into my old parts and made them custom and new again :happy10::happy10::happy10:
leblanc
member 2883
10% for regular members &
15% for gold members
Unfortunately I will not be using your services for the simple reason that I am too far away from you and there is a powder coating shop about 500' away at which I have worked and the owner is like you...very, very meticulous and fussy. Keep up your great work.
15% for gold members
Unfortunately I will not be using your services for the simple reason that I am too far away from you and there is a powder coating shop about 500' away at which I have worked and the owner is like you...very, very meticulous and fussy. Keep up your great work.
Kevin D.
Well-Known Member
Leanna just about everyone prices are going up we have to survive.The fuel costs are driving everything up.Our restaurant just raised prices www.rivertownebbq.com We hated to.But we had to,Kevin.
Almost 700 views ... but only 49 votes??? Considering the thousands of dollars' worth of collective discounts given out to FABO members over these last few years, I had really hoped for some more input.
Weekend bumping Billy in the thong? (I need to start drinking again...)
I voted on the 10% for FABO. I was thinking it would give a broader customer core base to start off with. I'm not sure what the cost of living index is in your neck of the woods, but I am pretty sure the illegals in my area make more than 15 bucks an hour...... Deb deals with shops in our area that are going over $60/hr.
Okay, last bump for this thread. The response has been miserable as far as poll votes go but the commentary has been really enlightening. Thanks to all who participated!
zigs
Well-Known Member
Leanna. Don't worry about votes and popular opinion. Do what you have to do. Your the only one that has to face your bills day to day and as far as getting more feed back some people just don't connect that way they get their parts done end of story don't take it personally.
By the way are my parts done yet? :blob:
By the way are my parts done yet? :blob:
I voted 10 percent across the board,You should never go above 10 percent,especially if you maybe working to cheap to begin with !!!(Of course excluding 65 Dartman he deserves 25 percent LOL)
For example if I give an estimate on auto repair and I have not heard back and I am slow,I sent out a 10 percent coupon...
You really need to total your bills and expenses and include your fair desired salary and figure out a shop rate !!!
If you are too cheap,you could be slammed and be making not enough,if you are too high you could have little to no work,but if you are priced right,you stay busy and make a good honest salary which could support some slow times.
It is kind a hard call in this economy.
Ever thought of get some steady contract on powder coating some items from freshly manufactured work to fill in the void on slow times?
Ever feel like when you need something repair and fixed that other people deals are high !!! Well they got some bills to pay.
Martin
P.S. Why can not you be a dizzy blonde and let us convince you that $5.00 hour is the going rate !!!
For example if I give an estimate on auto repair and I have not heard back and I am slow,I sent out a 10 percent coupon...
You really need to total your bills and expenses and include your fair desired salary and figure out a shop rate !!!
If you are too cheap,you could be slammed and be making not enough,if you are too high you could have little to no work,but if you are priced right,you stay busy and make a good honest salary which could support some slow times.
It is kind a hard call in this economy.
Ever thought of get some steady contract on powder coating some items from freshly manufactured work to fill in the void on slow times?
Ever feel like when you need something repair and fixed that other people deals are high !!! Well they got some bills to pay.
Martin
P.S. Why can not you be a dizzy blonde and let us convince you that $5.00 hour is the going rate !!!
Leanna, In my excavating business I have done probably 98% of work by hourly rate. I know appoximately what it takes to run each piece of equipment so I tell them up front what my hourly rate is depending on what equipment I use. Of course I will give a ballpark estimate and to be honest I try to always make it higher than I think it will cost. Then when I do it for less they are really happy and lots of customers have given me tips up in the hundreds of dollors so I know I must be doing something right Hourly rate is fairer to both customer and myself. I do not base my rates on what others charge and really don't care. I may be higher than some but I make sure the customer gets their money's worth., Treat people like you would want to be treated. My motto has always been "I would rather do half of it right than halfass all of it" . I know you have the same values so make your rates something that you can live with and don't compromise quality for quantity. As far as discounts it is up to you but maybe 10% to all members would be fair to more people. You know word of mouth is your best advertisement, good luck whatever you decide, Joe
Maybe it's that time of the year with car show season underway, or I'm just overly paranoid or something.
I'm starting to think this thread just scared the hell out of everybody.
Compared with the 3,000+ messages I've replied to over the last few years, I haven't received a SINGLE P.M. for a quote since launching this poll.
Wow. This sucks.
I'm starting to think this thread just scared the hell out of everybody.
Compared with the 3,000+ messages I've replied to over the last few years, I haven't received a SINGLE P.M. for a quote since launching this poll.
Wow. This sucks.
Dartman1969
69 Dart Frankenstein
Leanna,
I can not speak for anyone else but I am not ready for powder coating yet. Rest assured that regardless of the results of this poll or your decision on hourly rates when I am ready I will be contacting you. Your work is amazing and as the old saying goes "you get what you pay for"!!
~Michael
I can not speak for anyone else but I am not ready for powder coating yet. Rest assured that regardless of the results of this poll or your decision on hourly rates when I am ready I will be contacting you. Your work is amazing and as the old saying goes "you get what you pay for"!!
~Michael
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